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Re: M14-19 [#permalink]
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If among the first ten cyclists who crossed the finish line, 4 were Italians and 8 represented Telefonica team, how many cyclists who represented Telefonica team and finished in the top ten were not Italians?


(1) 2 Italians who finished in the top ten did not represent Telefonica team.

(2) Each of the top ten finishers either was an Italian or represented Telefonica team or both.



Why Stat.1 is Sufficient ? It is only statement 2 that complete the question by stating the actual type of participants i.e. either Italian or Telefonica or both and no one else.
Stat 1...gives Quantity
Stat 2....gives Type

Stat 1+2 gives OA....C......... :roll:

Please elaborate ??
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If among the first ten cyclists who crossed the finish line, 4 were Italians and 8 represented Telefonica team, how many cyclists who represented Telefonica team and finished in the top ten were not Italians?


(1) 2 Italians who finished in the top ten did not represent Telefonica team.

(2) Each of the top ten finishers either was an Italian or represented Telefonica team or both.



Why Stat.1 is Sufficient ? It is only statement 2 that complete the question by stating the actual type of participants i.e. either Italian or Telefonica or both and no one else.
Stat 1...gives Quantity
Stat 2....gives Type

Stat 1+2 gives OA....C......... :roll:

Please elaborate ??


Hi

I have compiled a small matrix box because this tool is the best to most overlapping sets problems - venn diag are ambigious for me.

NOTE: we do not need to know for the Statement 1 whether there is a "NONE" GROUP - YOU WILL SEE IN THE MATRIX. Statement 2 virtually states that there is none of "NONE" because everyone belongs either to both sets or at least to one of the sets:

"Each of the top ten finishers either was an Italian or represented Telefonica team or both."
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my solution:
1)gives c=2 so
a=4-c=2
d=2-c=0
b=8-a or b=6-d so b=6
SUFFICIENT
2) gives d=0 use b+d=6 to get b=6
SUFFICIENT
ANSWER: D
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Originally posted by karanchamp1 on 02 Dec 2016, 23:44.
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I think this is a high-quality question and I agree with explanation. this is a very good question!
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The formula valid here is
Total-Neither = A + B -Both

From Question stem.. we can infer following details:-
Total =10,
Italian (A) = 4
Telifonica Team (B) = 8

Statement 1 : Both (overlapping part)= 2 ,
so, Total-Neither = A + B -Both
Neither = Total-(A+B)+ Both
Neither = 10-(4+8) + 2
Neither = 0.
So required value = B-both= 8-2= 6.
Hence Sufficient.

Statement 2 :
Value of Neither is given, i.e 0 .. So here one can infer Value of "Both"(overlapping part)

so, Total-Neither = A + B -Both
10-0=4+8-Both
Both=2
So required value = B-both= 8-2= 6.
Hence Sufficient.
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(1) 2 Italians who finished in the top ten did not represent Telefonica team. Since 2 Italians did not represent Telefonica team, then remaining 2 Italians did represent Telefonica team, hence out of 8 cyclists who represented Telefonica team \(8 - 2 = 6\) were not Italians. Sufficient.

(2) Each of the top ten finishers either was an Italian or represented Telefonica team or both. So, \(\{Total\} = \{Italians\} + \{Telefonica\} - \{Both\}\): \(10 = 4 + 8-\{Both\}\), which gives \(\{Both\} = 2\). So, 2 cyclists represented Telefonica and were Italians, which means that \(8 - 2 = 6\) cyclists represented Telefonica but were not Italians. Sufficient.


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Hi Bunuel, for statement 1 to be correct, we have to assume that 10 winners exclusively comprised of only Telefonica team or Italians or both, but it is not explicitly mentioned anywhere.
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(1) 2 Italians who finished in the top ten did not represent Telefonica team. Since 2 Italians did not represent Telefonica team, then remaining 2 Italians did represent Telefonica team, hence out of 8 cyclists who represented Telefonica team \(8 - 2 = 6\) were not Italians. Sufficient.

(2) Each of the top ten finishers either was an Italian or represented Telefonica team or both. So, \(\{Total\} = \{Italians\} + \{Telefonica\} - \{Both\}\): \(10 = 4 + 8-\{Both\}\), which gives \(\{Both\} = 2\). So, 2 cyclists represented Telefonica and were Italians, which means that \(8 - 2 = 6\) cyclists represented Telefonica but were not Italians. Sufficient.


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Hi Bunuel, for statement 1 to be correct, we have to assume that 10 winners exclusively comprised of only Telefonica team or Italians or both, but it is not explicitly mentioned anywhere.


No. If 2 out of the 4 Italians in the top 10 did NOT represent the Telefonica team, then the remaining 2 Italians must have been part of the Telefonica team. How else ? Thus, out of the 8 cyclists who represented the Telefonica team, 8 - 2 = 6 were not Italians. Therefore, statement (1) is sufficient.
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