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Re: M32-08 [#permalink]
Can this question be solved by plugging in values?
the approach explained by bunuel is tough to comprehend does someone else has an easy method or trick for this question?
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Can this question be solved by plugging in values?
the approach explained by bunuel is tough to comprehend does someone else has an easy method or trick for this question?


Not every question has silver bullet solution. This is not an easy question. You can check alternative solutions here: https://gmatclub.com/forum/if-x-and-y-a ... 42602.html
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If \(x\) and \(y\) are integers and \(-x \leq y \leq x\), does \(\sqrt{x^2 - y^2} = x + y\)?



This is a hard question. You should pay attention to every detail and read the solution very carefully



First of all, \(-x \leq y \leq x\) ensures two things:

1. \(x^2-y^2\geq 0\), so the square root of this number will be defined.

2. \(x+y\geq 0\), so the square root won't be equal to negative number.



Next, \(-x \leq x\) implies that \(x \geq 0\).



And finally, before moving to the statements, let's rephrase the question:

Does \(\sqrt{x^2 - y^2} = x + y\)?

Square both sides: does \(x^2 - y^2 = x^2+2xy + y^2\)?

Does \(xy+y^2=0\)? Notice here that we cannot reduce this by \(y\), because we'll loose a possible root: \(y=0\).

Does \(y(x+y)=0\)?

Does \(y=0\) or \(x=-y\)?



(1) \(xy\) is NOT a square of an integer.



If \(y = 0\) were true, then \(xy\) would be 0, which is a square of an integer.

However, if \(x = -y\) and \(x ≠ 0\) were true, for example if \(x = -y = 1\), then \(xy\) would be \(-x^2\), so negative, which cannot be a square of an integer. So, \(x = -y\) IS possible.

Of course, \(x\) can be not equal to \(-y\), and the statemented still could hold true. For example, \(x = 2\) and \(y =1\).



Thus, we have have two different answers to the question: Not sufficient.



(2) Point \((x, y)\) is NOT on x-axis.



If \(y = 0\) were true, then point \((x, y)\) would be ON the x-axis. So, we know that \(y ≠ 0\).

However, if \(x = -y\) and \(x ≠ 0\) were true, for example if \(x = -y = 1\), then then point \((x, y)\) would be \((x, -x)\), so (positive, negative), which would mean that it's below x-axis. So, \(x = -y\) IS possible.

Of course, \(x\) can be not equal to \(-y\), and the statemented still could hold true. For example, \(x = 2\) and \(y =1\).



(1)+(2) We could have the same cases: if \(x = -y\) and \(x ≠ 0\), for example if \(x = -y = 1\), then the answer is YES but if say \(x = 2\) and \(y =1\), then the answer is NO. Not sufficient.


Answer: E


HiBunuel,

After factorization, we have

y( x+y) =0
ie either y = 0 or x=-y
It means the equation \(\sqrt{x^2 - y^2} = x + y\) will hold true if y=0 or x= - y
My question is why are we considering x not equal to -y as well?

Can you please explain?

Thanks
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Re: M32-08 [#permalink]
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Bunuel wrote:
Official Solution:


If \(x\) and \(y\) are integers and \(-x \leq y \leq x\), does \(\sqrt{x^2 - y^2} = x + y\)?



This is a hard question. You should pay attention to every detail and read the solution very carefully



First of all, \(-x \leq y \leq x\) ensures two things:

1. \(x^2-y^2\geq 0\), so the square root of this number will be defined.

2. \(x+y\geq 0\), so the square root won't be equal to negative number.



Next, \(-x \leq x\) implies that \(x \geq 0\).



And finally, before moving to the statements, let's rephrase the question:

Does \(\sqrt{x^2 - y^2} = x + y\)?

Square both sides: does \(x^2 - y^2 = x^2+2xy + y^2\)?

Does \(xy+y^2=0\)? Notice here that we cannot reduce this by \(y\), because we'll loose a possible root: \(y=0\).

Does \(y(x+y)=0\)?

Does \(y=0\) or \(x=-y\)?



(1) \(xy\) is NOT a square of an integer.



If \(y = 0\) were true, then \(xy\) would be 0, which is a square of an integer.

However, if \(x = -y\) and \(x ≠ 0\) were true, for example if \(x = -y = 1\), then \(xy\) would be \(-x^2\), so negative, which cannot be a square of an integer. So, \(x = -y\) IS possible.

Of course, \(x\) can be not equal to \(-y\), and the statemented still could hold true. For example, \(x = 2\) and \(y =1\).



Thus, we have have two different answers to the question: Not sufficient.



(2) Point \((x, y)\) is NOT on x-axis.



If \(y = 0\) were true, then point \((x, y)\) would be ON the x-axis. So, we know that \(y ≠ 0\).

However, if \(x = -y\) and \(x ≠ 0\) were true, for example if \(x = -y = 1\), then then point \((x, y)\) would be \((x, -x)\), so (positive, negative), which would mean that it's below x-axis. So, \(x = -y\) IS possible.

Of course, \(x\) can be not equal to \(-y\), and the statemented still could hold true. For example, \(x = 2\) and \(y =1\).



(1)+(2) We could have the same cases: if \(x = -y\) and \(x ≠ 0\), for example if \(x = -y = 1\), then the answer is YES but if say \(x = 2\) and \(y =1\), then the answer is NO. Not sufficient.


Answer: E


HiBunuel,

After factorization, we have

y( x+y) =0
ie either y = 0 or x=-y
It means the equation \(\sqrt{x^2 - y^2} = x + y\) will hold true if y=0 or x= - y
My question is why are we considering x not equal to -y as well?

Can you please explain?

Thanks


y(x + y) = 0.

The product of two multiples to be 0 either of them (or both) must be 0. So, y(x + y) = 0 if y = 0 or x + y = 0. x + y = 0 means x = -y.
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Re: M32-08 [#permalink]
Bunuel wrote:
swatjazz wrote:
Bunuel wrote:
Official Solution:


If \(x\) and \(y\) are integers and \(-x \leq y \leq x\), does \(\sqrt{x^2 - y^2} = x + y\)?



This is a hard question. You should pay attention to every detail and read the solution very carefully



First of all, \(-x \leq y \leq x\) ensures two things:

1. \(x^2-y^2\geq 0\), so the square root of this number will be defined.

2. \(x+y\geq 0\), so the square root won't be equal to negative number.



Next, \(-x \leq x\) implies that \(x \geq 0\).



And finally, before moving to the statements, let's rephrase the question:

Does \(\sqrt{x^2 - y^2} = x + y\)?

Square both sides: does \(x^2 - y^2 = x^2+2xy + y^2\)?

Does \(xy+y^2=0\)? Notice here that we cannot reduce this by \(y\), because we'll loose a possible root: \(y=0\).

Does \(y(x+y)=0\)?

Does \(y=0\) or \(x=-y\)?



(1) \(xy\) is NOT a square of an integer.



If \(y = 0\) were true, then \(xy\) would be 0, which is a square of an integer.

However, if \(x = -y\) and \(x ≠ 0\) were true, for example if \(x = -y = 1\), then \(xy\) would be \(-x^2\), so negative, which cannot be a square of an integer. So, \(x = -y\) IS possible.

Of course, \(x\) can be not equal to \(-y\), and the statemented still could hold true. For example, \(x = 2\) and \(y =1\).



Thus, we have have two different answers to the question: Not sufficient.



(2) Point \((x, y)\) is NOT on x-axis.



If \(y = 0\) were true, then point \((x, y)\) would be ON the x-axis. So, we know that \(y ≠ 0\).

However, if \(x = -y\) and \(x ≠ 0\) were true, for example if \(x = -y = 1\), then then point \((x, y)\) would be \((x, -x)\), so (positive, negative), which would mean that it's below x-axis. So, \(x = -y\) IS possible.

Of course, \(x\) can be not equal to \(-y\), and the statemented still could hold true. For example, \(x = 2\) and \(y =1\).



(1)+(2) We could have the same cases: if \(x = -y\) and \(x ≠ 0\), for example if \(x = -y = 1\), then the answer is YES but if say \(x = 2\) and \(y =1\), then the answer is NO. Not sufficient.


Answer: E


HiBunuel,

After factorization, we have

y( x+y) =0
ie either y = 0 or x=-y
It means the equation \(\sqrt{x^2 - y^2} = x + y\) will hold true if y=0 or x= - y
My question is why are we considering x not equal to -y as well?

Can you please explain?

Thanks


y(x + y) = 0.

The product of two multiples to be 0 either of them (or both) must be 0. So, y(x + y) = 0 if y = 0 or x + y = 0. x + y = 0 means x = -y.


Got it. I did not consider that both of them could be 0.
Thanks so much once again.
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I have edited the question and the solution by adding more details to enhance its clarity. I hope it is now easier to understand.
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