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X doing stuff by offering, in terms of flights, an equal amount as last year, doing so by using larger planes that fly more efficiently.

1) Countable vs. uncountable: flights are a countable quantity, so we use number and not amount
(A) an equal amount as last year, doing so by
(C) an equal amount offered last year and

GMATNinja is the following reasoning for eliminating B/E and picking D sound?
2) Meaning: changes the meaning of the sentence, makes it seem like they used the larger planes last year.
(B) the same number offered last year [using larger planes...]
(E) an equal number as were offered last year [using larger planes...]

(D) the same number as last year but [using larger planes...]
The addition of fanboys coordinating conjunction "but" makes it certain that the simple gerund "using..." applies to what they are doing differently this year, rather than what they did last year.

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E. an equal number as were offered last year,
Why is E is wrong?
Becos, ‘an equal number’ is singular and ‘were offered’ is plural.



Is E not also wrong because the modifier after the comma ",using...." modifies incorrectly the clause that comes before it ?


Yes, you are right. Here "using" is wrongly used as a present participle modifier. Option D is the OA. Here "using" is not a present participle modifier, but a gerund parallel to "offering". These two gerunds are joined by the conjunction "but". The structure in D is as follows:

.. by offering but using..




i crossed choice D thinking that In D, "same number compared to last year" (wrong comparison).

can you please explain how the above comparison is valid ?
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Hi GMATNinja, egmat, @veritasprepkarishma, daagh

I just have one isn't whenever as is used for comparison it should follow with a verb which is the case in E (although E is wrong because 'were' is plural)
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For D to make a comparison, don't we need a clause after "as"? "as" can only be used for comparison if it is a clause. This is satisfied by choice "E" where ellipses is on the noun but verb is present. Plus isn't verb-ing modifier "using" correct since it modifies the whole clause and the do-er of the action is the subject?

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I see what you mean. What you're saying makes total sense. I can see that using as a VERB-ING modifier for "Many airline carriers are attempting to increase profitability" makes sense.
So we reject E because of the faults:

1. an equal number and "were" (plural) do not go along together
2. We are using "were" in the answer choice, but we do not have a form of "be" in the part before

Is that correct? Thanks for the insights, I appreciate them


Yes. You are right..Since the first part is in active voice and the second part in passive voice, this is going against //ism. For this reason, even 'was offered ' might be wrong, strictly speaking. Perhaps one might say,
"Many airline carriers are attempting to increase profitability while keeping overhead low by offering, in terms of flights, an equal number (as) they offered last year, using larger planes that fly more efficiently"


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I would disagree with you that an equal number is singular. The passage explicitly states that an equal number in terms of flights. This is plural. Similarly "A number of students" is plural while "the number of students" is singular.

Can you tell me your opinion?
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For D to make a comparison, don't we need a clause after "as"? "as" can only be used for comparison if it is a clause.

Hi! We absolutely do need a clause after as and the verb (was) is implied here.

This is actually quite common. For example, following would be a correct sentence:

Peter is as clever as his brother.

This is equivalent to:

Peter is as clever as his brother (is).

An official example:

Salt deposits and moisture threaten to destroy the Mohenjo-Daro excavation in Pakistan, the site of an ancient civilization that flourished at the same time as the civilizations in the Nile Delta and the river valleys of the Tigris and Euphrates.

This is equivalent to:

Salt deposits and moisture threaten to destroy the Mohenjo-Daro excavation in Pakistan, the site of an ancient civilization that flourished at the same time as the civilizations in the Nile Delta and the river valleys of the Tigris and Euphrates (flourished).
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I see that you are obviously equating 'a number of' (an idiom, and hence guided by custom rather than by reason) with 'an equal number of'( an ordinary noun phrase with an prepositional tail.)

Nevertheless, could you elucidate what is wrong with 'E' then, since the OA is D?

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If D is the official answer, then this is a lousy question. Whatever manner one may try to justify D as the correct choice by ellipsis or otherwise, D is unfit to be the correct answer as Argha has correctly pointed out. D is the antithesis of proper comparison by matching the number of flights as last year.
To think of ellipsis, the elided part must be present in the verbatim form in the early part. Which is the part that is being elided herein in D is unclear. D is a blatant mis-comparison because of the unnecessary intrusion of the comparator ‘as’. One more potentially dubious meaning of D’s faulty comparison is that ‘the same number’ is compared with what last year offered. In that case, we are wrongly comparing the number of what the airlines are offering with what the last year offered. This is untenable.
B must be the correct answer; it avoids the mis-comparison of using ‘as’ and rightly using a past participle. Also, it may be noted that the comma plus present participle ‘using’ in B modifies the subject of the previous clause and the subject’s action namely the ‘many airlines and their efforts to increase profitability’ and not ‘last year’.

sir i think c is correct as it follow parallelism also overhead low by something and something. please help me!
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If D is the official answer, then this is a lousy question. Whatever manner one may try to justify D as the correct choice by ellipsis or otherwise, D is unfit to be the correct answer as Argha has correctly pointed out. D is the antithesis of proper comparison by matching the number of flights as last year.
To think of ellipsis, the elided part must be present in the verbatim form in the early part. Which is the part that is being elided herein in D is unclear. D is a blatant mis-comparison because of the unnecessary intrusion of the comparator ‘as’. One more potentially dubious meaning of D’s faulty comparison is that ‘the same number’ is compared with what last year offered. In that case, we are wrongly comparing the number of what the airlines are offering with what the last year offered. This is untenable.
B must be the correct answer; it avoids the mis-comparison of using ‘as’ and rightly using a past participle. Also, it may be noted that the comma plus present participle ‘using’ in B modifies the subject of the previous clause and the subject’s action namely the ‘many airlines and their efforts to increase profitability’ and not ‘last year’.

sir i think c is correct as it follow parallelism also overhead low by something and something. please help me!

First of all, (C) has to go because you can't use "amount" with "flights." "Flights" is a countable noun, so we want "number of flights", not "amount of flights".

Also, think about the meaning: how are airline carriers are attempting to increase profitability while keeping overhead low? By 1) offering the same number of flights as last year and 2) using larger planes that fly more efficiently? (C) seems to indicate that OFFERING the same number of flights as last year is an independent course of action that will somehow increase the airline's profitability. In reality, offering the same number of flights as last year, by itself, doesn't increase profitability.

Offering the same number of flights only helps if they use larger planes that fly more efficiently. That meaning is a bit more clear in (D).
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I remember "amount vs number" in this way:

The Amount of happiness (uncountable) depends upon the number of hours (countable) of hard work.

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Many airline carriers are attempting to increase profitability while keeping overhead low by offering, in terms of flights,an equal amount as last year, doing so by using larger planes that fly more efficiently.
Equal amount Vs Same number. Compared object is "flights" - countable - so Same number.
A. an equal amount as last year,doing so by - out
B. the same number offered last year - no comparison marker
C. an equal amount offered last year and - out
D. the same number as last year but - good choice
E. an equal number as were offered last year, - construction is not good.

Hope this helps!


You made my life easier to remember the Amount Vs Number for countable Vs Non-countable. Thanks for that.

In your sentence, I think the "The number of Hours" should be "A number of Hours".

E.g. - The Amount of happiness (uncountable) depends upon a number of hours (countable) of hard work.
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D pertains to same number of 'flights'. It is perfectly valid and, unlike E, doesnt make a SV error (the number of flights is referred to as 'were' in E)

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In D, isn't "same number compared to "last year". It should have been apt if compared with "last year's" or better if "same number as was last year"..


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Bunuel generis , I believe this question is from GMAC EP 3,4. Is it possible to add GMAT Prep tag to this question?
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Dear GMATGuruNY,

I've read from some of your posts that AS is used to compare CLAUSE from this post : https://www.beatthegmat.com/please-an-i ... 92109.html
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In D, as is used to compare actions, but it is not clear what action is being performed by the residents of all the other areas of the world. Eliminate D.

Quote:
There WERE as many boys on the football field as on the tennis court.

This sentence above compares VERBS:
There WERE as many boys on the football field [as there WERE} on the tennis court.
The second WERE is omitted, but its presence is understood.

In D, it is not clear what VERB is attributed to the residents of all the other areas.
Eliminate D.


Your second sentence -- The BOYS are...as many as the GIRLS -- does not make sense. We could say:

There ARE as many boys as girls.
The implied meaning would be: There ARE as many boys as there ARE girls.
Again, the VERBS are being compared.

How does the above principle apply to OA?
OA: Many airline carriers are attempting to increase profitability while keeping overhead low by offering, in terms of flights, the same number as last year but using larger planes that fly more efficiently.

What ACTION/VERB is performed by "last year"?
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Dear GMATGuruNY,

I've found your explanation for choice E. from https://www.beatthegmat.com/gmat-prep-q ... 71386.html
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E: an equal number as were offered
Here, were offered lacks a plural subject.
Eliminate E.

Why can't "flightS" be a plural subject for "WERE offered"?

Choice E: Many airline carriers are attempting to increase profitability while keeping overhead low by offering, in terms of flightS, an equal number as WERE offered last year, using larger planes that fly more efficiently.

Moreover, compared to OA, choice E. contains ACTION/VERB, fitting perfectly with your explanation in the above post.
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Dear GMATGuruNY,

I've read from some of your posts that AS is used to compare CLAUSE from this post :
How does the above principle apply to OA?
OA: Many airline carriers are attempting to increase profitability while keeping overhead low by offering, in terms of flights, the same number as last year but using larger planes that fly more efficiently.

What ACTION/VERB is performed by "last year"?


Many carriers are attempting to increase profitability by offering the same number [as they were offering] last year.
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Dear GMATGuruNY,

I've found your explanation for choice E. from https://www.beatthegmat.com/gmat-prep-q ... 71386.html
Quote:
E: an equal number as were offered
Here, were offered lacks a plural subject.
Eliminate E.

Why can't "flightS" be a plural subject for "WERE offered"?

Choice E: Many airline carriers are attempting to increase profitability while keeping overhead low by offering, in terms of flightS, an equal number as WERE offered last year, using larger planes that fly more efficiently.

Moreover, compared to OA, choice E. contains ACTION/VERB, fitting perfectly with your explanation in the above post.


E: Many airline carriers are attempting to increase profitability by offering, in terms of flights, an equal number as were offered last year year.
The prepositional phrase in red is enclosed in commas and thus serves as a NONESSENTIAL modifier.
When a nonessential modifier is removed, the rest of the sentence should be able to stand on its own.
If we remove the red modifier from E, we get:
Many airline carriers are attempting to increase profitability by offering an equal number as were offered last year.
The resulting sentence does not contain a viable plural subject for were offered.
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In D, isn't "same number compared to "last year". It should have been apt if compared with "last year's" or better if "same number as was last year"..


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for this reason only, i eliminated D and chose E. but none of the options seems fine. Really dont know How "D" is correct.


Hi Chiranjeevee

There are two reasons why D is correct:

(1) "Last year" is preposition phrase. It CAN'T be compared with a NOUN phrase - "the same number". The question compare "this year" vs. "last year".
If you add auxiliary verb before (after) "last year": ...................the same number as WAS last year .... <== You compare NOUN (airline carriers) vs. PREPOSITION (last year) ==> wrong grammar.

(2) This construction is quite common in English. You're comparing same subject but in two different periods --> You don't need to repeat subject.
Let see an example:
After finding a new job, I make more money than I did last year
However, because of the same subject, you don't need to repeat it. The new sentence is: After finding a new job, I make more money than I didlast year.


**Back to the question. I will plug in D into the question.
Many airline carriers are attempting to increase profitability while keeping overhead low by offering, in terms of flights, the same number as last year but using larger planes that fly more efficiently.

The comparison is between this year vs. last year. The subject of the question is the same. In order to make the sentence clear. I will rewrite it like:
Many airline carriers offer the same number of flights this year as they did last year.

Now, the meaning is clearer but the sentence is wordier. ==> GMAT always prefers concise sentence. ==> The sentence should be: Many airline carriers offer the same number of flights this year as they did last year.

Hope it helps.


I am not sure if what is being compared is the subject. Rather, the comparison is between "by offering the same number" and "last year". If we think of it as a case of ellipsis and compare "by offering the same number" and (as) "(the number offered) last year", it would work. However, I don't think ellipsis can be used when the two clauses being compared are in different tenses.

Can you please clarify this?
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Would you please put your grain of salt as the other experts answers' are confusing, claiming that B is the correct answer. Thank you
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Can someone clearly state why we chose D over E?
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