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I am not sure of the usage of 'substitute' in choice C. The current usage is:"that could substitute for the telephone". Shouldn't it be one of the following ways:
    that could substitute the telephone
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    that could act as a substitute for the telephone

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Yes, it is alright - substitute (verb) + for is idiomatically correct.

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I'm not an expert,but let me try.

A. Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is
-- modifier error : "a tool for private conversation" is supposed to refer to radio

B. Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is
-- same as option A

C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become
-- This is our guy.Meaning is clear."it" refers to radio.

D. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become
-- not sure but i think it's an idiom usage;conceive of something as..;it is the radio,not telephone,that has become a device for public audience.

E. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is
-- not sure but i think it's an idiom usage;conceive of something as..;modifier error : "a tool for private conversation" is supposed to refer to radio

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Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone ; instead, it has become

Can we remove the semi colon and comma ?

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Hi,

Those who went for ans C, don't you think that C has severe meaning issue?

1. In original sentence, Radio was conceived of telephone (a tool for private conversation). But in option C, Radio was conceived of a tool for private conversation that could substitute telephone. So it is a severe meaning shift.

2. In original sentence, Radio is precisely a tool for communicating with a large, public audience. But in option C, Radio has become precisely a tool for communicating with a large, public audience. Again a meaning shift.

So do you think, we can take an option with a meaning shift in GMAT?

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The logical meaning of the sentence:

Marconi thought of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation. But the radio is precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.

A) Marconi's conception is treated as a substitute for the telephone. This conveys an illogical meaning.

B) "but which is" is not clear, is it? It can also convey the meaning that telephone is not a tool for the private conversation but a tool for the public communication.

C) The sentence is logical.

D) "a substitute for the telephone" may modify "conversation" which will be an illogical construction. Moreover, "which has become" modifies telephone and that construction goes against the logical meaning of the sentence.

E) In this construction "Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is,", it is not clear what "it" in the latter part refers to.

Thus, option C.

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Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.

A. Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is
B. Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is
C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become
D. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become
E. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is,

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Prefer Verb form to noun...Conceive of Noun+AS...A,D&E eliminated. in this sentence underline version, Semicolon with Instead reveals contrast, So, Using which looses contrast.Therefore, C is the correct choice. :-D

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Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.

A. Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is
B. Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is
C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become
D. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become
E. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is,

Let's look at this from the modification angle. Marconi conceived radio as a gadget for private talk even when then telephone was existent but was not such a private tool. Hence, the tool for private conversation should always co - exist or stay next to next with radio so that the modification is in order. As per that tenet, only C and D qualify as the genuine contenders
Between C and D, D as a wrong idiom of 'conceived' to be and a wrong antecedence for the pronoun 'which', referring to the telephone.
In C there is no logical dilemma about the antecedence of 'it' since it is the radio that has bee become a mass media tool

Hence C all the way.

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Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.

A. Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is

B. Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is

C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become

D. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become

E. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is,
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Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.

A. Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is
B. Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is
C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become
D. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become
E. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is,

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A The "telephone" is illogically listed as a "substitute" for a "conception." The "telephone" is actually a "substitute" for the "radio."
B Correct.
C "Conceived of" is not the right idiom.
D "Conceived of" is not the right idiom.
E "Conceived of" is not the right idiom.

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C seems to be the correct answer. Though I have answered the right one using POE process and obviously by luck . I need a logical solution for this question. I took 2.25 mins for this question. Can anybody help, how to choose the correct one within 1min only ?? thnx in advance.

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C seems to be the correct answer. Though I have answered the right one using POE process and obviously by luck . I need a logical solution for this question. I took 2.25 mins for this question. Can anybody help, how to choose the correct one within 1min only ?? thnx in advance.

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Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is[/u] precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.

A. Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is - conception of is unidiomatic; Use of simple present tense is incorrect as the change happened over a course of time . We need present perfect .
B. Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is - Comma +but is used to connect IC with DC ; which can refer to a tool for private conversation or telephone
C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become - Correct
D. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become - conceived of is unidiomatic; which can refer to a tool for private conversation or telephone
E. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is, - conceived of is unidiomatic; usage of other than what is redundant as we already have precisely the opposite

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Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.

A. Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is
B. Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is
C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become
D. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become
E. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is,

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The option A is wrong because A states that 'Marconi's CONCEPTION (of the radio) was a SUBSTITUTE for telephone, whereas in reality in it was the radio itself that was a substitute.

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Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.

A. Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is - "was as" + "a tool for private conversation" seems to refer to the "telephone" NOT "radio" as the author intends to do
B. Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is - "which" is very vague + same problem as in A of having "telephone" next to "a tool.."
C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become - BEST CHOICE, ";" used is okay as the statement "instead..." can stand for itself + "radio" and "tool for.." is next to each other thereby conveying correctly the message of the author
D. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become - "which" is quite vague in the sense that we do not what is it referring to
E. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is, - again "telephone" next to "a tool for.." + sounds like a complete mess anyways "other than what it is"
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Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.


Here the major choices are between conception of or conceived of and as a or to be

Meaning
Marconi accepted that radio was a substitute for the telephone. Telephone is the tool for private conversation but radio is for public conversation

POE
conceived of is a valid idiom
conceive of - form a mental image of something that is not present or that is not the case
Example
Can you conceive of him as the president?

Option A is eliminated
From the context, Marconi accepted radio that performs the function of television
So as fits better for our context
Option D, E can be eliminated
Between options B and C
C is correct as it clearly expresses the contrast( Instead) that the television cannot be compared with radio as they both perform different functions private conversation and public conversation



A. Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is
B. Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is
C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become
D. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become
E. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is,
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Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation;
instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.

Meaning : Marconi conceived radio as a substitute for telephone – a tool which can be used for private conversion, but in reality it turned out to be a tool that is used for communicating with large, public audience.

A. Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private
conversation; instead, it is
the absolute phrase here “ a tool for private…” can refer to both radio and telephone …More clarity in sentence is required to make the phrase specifically referring to “telephone”

B. Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but
which is
“but which is …” is causing a change in meaning …
It says : Marconi conceived radio as X but which is precise Y !!!!

C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the
telephone; instead, it has become
Correct option

D. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone,
which has become
As per this option, “telephone has become precisely opposite” as emphasized by the usage of relative modifier “which”

E. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation,
other than what it is,
again same issue as option A… the absolute phrase here “ a tool for private…” can refer to both radio and telephone
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Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.
1) Marconi’s conception (subject)………………..was (verb)
2) Phrase “a tool for private conversation” refers to telephone but it actually refers to radio
Marconi conceived of radio as a tool for private conversation but instead it is a tool for communicating with a large audience.
3) It is illogical to say that Marconi’s conception was as a tool……………


A. Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is
Incorrect

B. Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is
Again incorrect placement of the phrase ‘ a tool……….’

C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become
‘that’ when used as a subject of the dependent clause refers to the closes noun but in this (I think) the usage is fine because ‘for private conversation’ cannot be logically placed anywhere else.
So that refers to tool. GMATNinja is this fine according to you?
Use of present perfect ‘has become’ is also fine because it’s still true. Radio is still a tool for private conversation.

Correct choice.

D. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become
Conceived to be is incorrect.
Conceive of someone or something as ………..is correct.

E. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is,
Incorrect for the reasons stated above.
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Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.
1) Marconi’s conception (subject)………………..was (verb)
2) Phrase “a tool for private conversation” refers to telephone but it actually refers to radio
Marconi conceived of radio as a tool for private conversation but instead it is a tool for communicating with a large audience.
3) It is illogical to say that Marconi’s conception was as a tool……………


A. Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is
Incorrect

B. Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is
Again incorrect placement of the phrase ‘ a tool……….’

C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become
‘that’ when used as a subject of the dependent clause refers to the closes noun but in this (I think) the usage is fine because ‘for private conversation’ cannot be logically placed anywhere else.
So that refers to tool. GMATNinja is this fine according to you?
Use of present perfect ‘has become’ is also fine because it’s still true. Radio is still a tool for private conversation.

Correct choice.

D. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become
Conceived to be is incorrect.
Conceive of someone or something as ………..is correct.

E. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is,
Incorrect for the reasons stated above.

Nice explanation, Shiv2016! :thumbup:

You're right about the usage of "that" as a noun modifier. The prepositional phrase "for private conversations" also modifies "tool", and it's okay for a noun modifier to “reach behind” a prepositional phrase (see "Usage #4" in this Topic of the Week for more on this).
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Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.

A. Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is --> illogical.
B. Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is
C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become
D. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become
E. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is,
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