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Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.

1 Since "Marconi conceived" is active eliminate A. 2 Eliminate D and E because the idiom is "conceived as" 3 Eliminate B since "which" refers to the telephone
A. Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is
B. Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is
C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become
D. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become
E. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is,
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A. Incorrect - Because in this sentence the subject is "Marconi's conception" which do not agree to the latter part that starts after "it is". Why? because, "Conception" cannot be a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.

B. Incorrect - Which is used incorrectly

C. CORRECT - The sentence says that "Marconi came up with "Radio" as a way of private communication which could substitute "Telephone"; instead, it has become opposit (past perfect for is used) because "Telephone" has already become a tool if communication with a large public.

D. Incorrect - Use of "to be" is incorrect


E. Incorrect - Use of "to be" is incorrect

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The correct Idiom is :

Conceive of x as y....

"Conceive of x to be y " is incorrect usage.

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Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.

A. Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is
B. Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is

C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become For me the only correct answer because of the 'conceived ......... has become' construction

D. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become
E. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is,
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Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.

A. Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is
B. Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is
C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become
D. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become
E. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is,

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Hi e-gmat,

My analysis on this question. Could you please review and let me know if my thought process is correct -

Marconi's conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation:instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.

(A) Marconi's conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is


Analysis : IC, Noun + Noun Modifier; Adverb, IC
Error :
1. a tool for private conversation is N+NM, hence can modify radio or telephone (either)
2. Instead, it is – parallel IC, hence it refers back to parallel noun of “Marconi’s conception” instead of radio

(B) Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is


Analysis: IC, Noun + Noun Mod, But + IC
Which in this case would refer to radio (noun in parallel IC) or conversation (closest noun)?


(C) Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become

Analysis: IC + that + modifier; instead, IC
That can lead over to modify radio. It refers to radio –
Correct option


(D) Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become

Analysis IC, Noun + Noun Modifier, modifier
Error :
1. Conceived ..to be – incorrect idiom
2. Which refer to telephone


(E) Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is,

Analysis IC, Noun + Noun Modifier, <<can’t get rest of the structure
Error :
1. Conceived ..to be – incorrect idiom





Hi Nishant,
Thank you for posting your query here and a very good analysis I must say! :)


SENTENCE STRUCTURE

Marconi's conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation:
• instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.


OPTION A: Incorrect

1) The way this sentence is worded, it suggests that Marconi’s conception was a substitute for the telephone. This meaning is absolutely illogical because an idea cannot be a substitute for a tool. From the context, we can understand that the radio was conceived as a substitute for the telephone. Hence, this sentence has meaning error.
2) The pronoun “it” seems to illogically refer to “Marconi’s conception”.

The Noun + Noun modifier “a tool for private conversation” modifies “telephone” correctly, since logically we know that radio is not a tool for private conversation.


OPTION B: Incorrect

1) “but” acts as a parallel market in this choice and is followed by a “which” clause. However, this “which” clause is not parallel to anything that lies on the left side of the marker.
2) Also, it is not clear what the modifier “which” refers to in this sentence. It can either refer to “radio” or to “telephone”.

As you have mentioned, “but” should be followed by an independent clause. However, the clause starting with “which” is not an independent clause.


OPTION C: Correct

This option changes the subject from “Marconi’s conception” to “Marconi”. This removes the meaning error of the original sentence.
Also, “it” in the second clause clearly refers to radio.

Here, “that” doesn’t refer to radio. It refers to “a tool for private conversation”.


OPTION D: Incorrect

1) “Conceived of X to be Y” is incorrect idiomatic usage. The correct usage is “conceived of X as Y”.
2) The relative pronoun modifier “which” seems to modify “telephone”. This gives an illogical meaning.
Note that, “which” can’t jump over “to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone” and modify “radio” since this modifier is not one unified phrase.


OPTION E: Incorrect

1) This choice repeats the idiom error of option D.
2) The phrase “other than what” is wordy and redundant. It gives the meaning similar to “precisely the opposite”.



Hope this helps! :)
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" It" in option A refers to the subject "Marconi’s conception" whereas in option C "It" refers to "radio" . Please explain how it is referring to radio in place of the subject of the first independent clause.
A. Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is
C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become

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Could not find any split so had to go through each option:

marine wrote:
Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.

A. Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is -- IT is pointing to Marconi's conception, which is wrong.
B. Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is -- Not sure whether WHICH is pointing to telephone (which is closer) or to radio.
C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become - Seems correct.
D. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become -- Looks like WHICH is pointing to telephone, which is distorting the meaning.
E. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is, -- Awkward

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what is the antecedent of IT in C ?
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hatemnag wrote:
what is the antecedent of IT in C ?
please expert help.


hi hatemnag,

Please refer to the explanation provided by egmat on previous page(currently page #7) in response to Nishant's/Mission 2012 query .
Each option is explained in detail.

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marine wrote:
Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.

A. Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is
B. Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is
C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become
D. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become
E. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is,

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A. Conception is being compared with the telephone. It should be a radio to telephone comparison.
B. "but which" is incorrect. Grammatically
C. Correct
D. telephone has become opposite? - Incorrect
E. too wordy.

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I am also looking for the explanation of the question asked here - Experts could anyone please help.


" It" in option A refers to the subject "Marconi’s conception" whereas in option C "It" refers to "radio" . Please explain how it is referring to radio in place of the subject of the first independent clause.
A. Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is
C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become[/quote][/quote]
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I am also looking for the explanation of the question asked here - Experts could anyone please help.


" It" in option A refers to the subject "Marconi’s conception" whereas in option C "It" refers to "radio" . Please explain how it is referring to radio in place of the subject of the first independent clause.
A. Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is
C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become


Take option C it the following way:

The radio could substitute for the telephone; instead it has become......

Instead of using "the radio", the sentence uses another pronoun "that" that in turn refers to the "radio".

I would suggest that keep pronoun ambiguity as the last resort to eliminate an answer. GMAT has been flexible on this aspect, (especially when the pronoun is the subject of a clause and refers to the subject of another clause in the sentence.... whatsoever this is not exactly such an usage, but could be reformulated in the same line.)

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The correct answer is C
In the construction of this sentence, meaning should take the highest priority.
The sentence is trying to the convey - Marconi wanted the radio to become a preferred device for private conversation by replacing telephones but instead radio has become a device for public audience- the opposite of what Marconi wanted it to be.


A. Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is
Meaning unclear. Hard to decipher whether it Radio or telephone, which is a tool for private conversation.

B. Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is
Meaning unclear. Hard to decipher whether it Radio or telephone, which is a tool for private conversation.

C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become
Correct Meaning. No ambiguity. The "IT" after the semicolon clearly refers to the radio. so there is no ambiguity in pointing out which device has become tool for public audience.

D. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become
Meaning Wrong:- This sentence blatantly says that Telephone has become a too for public audience.

E. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, [b]other than what it is[/b],
Wrong meaning, unnecessary wordy, All sorts of grammatical problems in this one



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Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.

A. Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is
B. Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is
C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become
D. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become
E. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is,

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Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.

A. Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is
B. Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is
C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become
D. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become
E. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is,

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When I see this question first time, i've seen that there is a 'it' in three option e.g., A. C, and E but their intended noun is two (may be it is Radio, or may be it is Telephone). So, I immediately thought that there is a pronoun ambiguity in A, C, and E. So, I cross out these three options :) because there is no pronoun in B and in D. But, at the end of the time I picked wrong answer choice. I'm really bothered in pronoun issue. So, can you please help me WHY 'it' refers to radio not Television. If I emphasize on meaning, then it is easily understood that 'it' is used to refer 'radio'. But, the guy who did not understand the meaning of this sentence, HOW can s/he pick C by seeing grammar issue?
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Can you suggest why the pronoun - it - can refer to only radio and not telephone?
Is not there pronoun ambiguity error here?
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Can you suggest why the pronoun - it - can refer to only radio and not telephone?
Is not there pronoun ambiguity error here?
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No because from the context we have no doubt: it in the OA refers only to telephone. Moreover, conversation is too far.

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adkikani wrote:
Hi Expert,
Can you suggest why the pronoun - it - can refer to only radio and not telephone?
Is not there pronoun ambiguity error here?
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This is totally the issue of common sense understanding and understanding the meaning of the sentence. Moreover, the use of 'instead' implies to use ''it'' instead of ''radio not telephone''
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I am not sure of the usage of 'substitute' in choice C. The current usage is:"that could substitute for the telephone". Shouldn't it be one of the following ways:
    that could substitute the telephone
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    that could act as a substitute for the telephone

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himanshumalhotra1990 wrote:
I am not sure of the usage of 'substitute' in choice C. The current usage is:"that could substitute for the telephone". Shouldn't it be one of the following ways:
    that could substitute the telephone
    OR
    that could act as a substitute for the telephone

Please guide here. Thanks!


Yes, it is alright - substitute (verb) + for is idiomatically correct.

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I'm not an expert,but let me try.

A. Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is
-- modifier error : "a tool for private conversation" is supposed to refer to radio

B. Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is
-- same as option A

C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become
-- This is our guy.Meaning is clear."it" refers to radio.

D. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become
-- not sure but i think it's an idiom usage;conceive of something as..;it is the radio,not telephone,that has become a device for public audience.

E. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is
-- not sure but i think it's an idiom usage;conceive of something as..;modifier error : "a tool for private conversation" is supposed to refer to radio

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Hi,

Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone ; instead, it has become

Can we remove the semi colon and comma ?

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