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would you love to see how attacked it? if Joe is expected to outscore his friend, he should get these sums, 11,12,13...18 all possibilities are from 3 to 18 so : prob =8/16 equal to 1/2 PS. If you are wondering how I came to 3 as min because 1+1+1 and likewise 18 is max (6+6+6)



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noboru wrote: Mary and Joe are to throw three dice each. The score is the sum of points on all three dice. If Mary scores 10 in her attempt what is the probability that Joe will outscore Mary in his? Expected value of one die is 1/6*(1+2+3+4+5+6)=3.5. Expected value of three dice is 3*3.5=10.5. Mary scored 10 so the probability to get the sum more then 10 (11, 12, 13, ..., 18), or more then the average, is the same as to get the sum less than average (10, 9, 8, ..., 3) = 1/2. P=1/2.
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imania wrote: would you love to see how attacked it? if Joe is expected to outscore his friend, he should get these sums, 11,12,13...18 all possibilities are from 3 to 18 so : prob =8/16 equal to 1/2 PS. If you are wondering how I came to 3 as min because 1+1+1 and likewise 18 is max (6+6+6) Unfortunately this approach is not right though for this particular case it gave a correct answer. Consider this: if it were that Mary scored not 10 but 17 then Joe to outscore Mary should get only 18 and according to your approach as there are total of 16 scores possible then the probability of Joe getting 18 would be 1/16. But this is not correct, probability of 18 is (1/6)^3=1/216 not 1/16. This is because not all scores from 3 to 18 have equal # of ways to occur: you can get 10 in many ways but 3 or 18 only in one way (3=1+1+1 and 18=6+6+6). Hope it's clear.
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sanober1985 wrote: How did you get the possible scores i.e 16 and so the probablity is 1/16 Bunuel wrote: imania wrote: Unfortunately this approach is not right though for this particular case it gave a correct answer.
Consider this: if it were that Mary scored not 10 but 17 then Joe to outscore Mary should get only 18 and according to your approach as there are total of 16 scores possible then the probability of Joe getting 18 would be 1/16. But this is not correct, probability of 18 is (1/6)^3=1/216 not 1/16.
This is because not all scores from 3 to 18 have equal # of ways to occur: you can get 10 in many ways but 3 or 18 only in one way (3=1+1+1 and 18=6+6+6).
Hope it's clear. When you roll 3 dice you can have the following sums: 3 (min possible 1+1+1), 4, 5, 6, ...., 18 (max possible 6+6+6), so total of 16 possible sums. But as you can see in my previous post (the one you quote) the probability of these score are not equal, so it's not 1/16 for each. devashish wrote: Bunuel wrote: noboru wrote: Mary and Joe are to throw three dice each. The score is the sum of points on all three dice. If Mary scores 10 in her attempt what is the probability that Joe will outscore Mary in his? Expected value of one die is 1/6*(1+2+3+4+5+6)=3.5. Expected value of three dice is 3*3.5=10.5. Mary scored 10 so the probability to get the sum more then 10 (11, 12, 13, ..., 18), or more then the average, is the same as to get the sum less than average (10, 9, 8, ..., 3) = 1/2. P=1/2. Amazing explanation, but is this a GMAT type question, if yes then I doubt I will ever be able to solve such questions in Real GMAT Time and space. It is too far fetched for me to even think I can crack such a question in normal finite time, forget GMAT Time !!! Don't worry, you won't see such kind of question on GMAT.
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imania wrote: would you love to see how attacked it? if Joe is expected to outscore his friend, he should get these sums, 11,12,13...18 all possibilities are from 3 to 18 so : prob =8/16 equal to 1/2 PS. If you are wondering how I came to 3 as min because 1+1+1 and likewise 18 is max (6+6+6) Nice approach too!
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How were you able to come up with (1+2+3+4+5+6)? I understand that one outcome out of six occurs when Joe rolls the dice but the other part... a bit puzzling???
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MacFauz wrote: Bunuel wrote: noboru wrote: Mary and Joe are to throw three dice each. The score is the sum of points on all three dice. If Mary scores 10 in her attempt what is the probability that Joe will outscore Mary in his? Expected value of one die is 1/6*(1+2+3+4+5+6)=3.5. Expected value of three dice is 3*3.5=10.5. Mary scored 10 so the probability to get the sum more then 10 (11, 12, 13, ..., 18), or more then the average, is the same as to get the sum less than average (10, 9, 8, ..., 3) = 1/2. P=1/2. Can someone please explain what mistake i'm doing: Total No. Of Possible Outcomes = 216 Outcomes where Joe scores 10 or less: 111 > 1 222 > 1 333 > 1 112 > 3, 113 > 3, 114 > 3, 115 > 3, 116 > 3, 221 > 3, 223 > 3, 224 > 3, 225 > 3, 226 > 3, 331 > 3, 332 > 3, 334 > 3, 441 > 3, 442 > 3, Adding everything up = 48 Outcomes where Joe scores more than 10 = 216  48 = 168 Probability = 168/216 = 7/9 You are missing some cases: 123  6 ways; 124  6 ways; 125  6 ways; 126  6 ways; 134  6 ways; 135  6 ways; 136  6 ways; 145  6 ways; 234  6 ways; 235  6 ways. So, total of 60 scenarios were missing. Together with the 48 cases you counted we would have 48+60=108 ways to get the sum of 10 or less, so the probability is 1108/216=1/2. Hope it helps.
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Joe should score 11,12... 17,18 to score over mary. Now lets consider 1 by 1: 18: 6,6,6 combination > 1 arrangement 18 > 1 possibility 17: 6,6,5 combination > 3 arrangement 17 > 3 possibilities 16: 6,6,4 combination > 3 arrangement 6,5,5 combination > 3 arrangement 16 > 6 possibilities 15: 6,6,3 combination > 1 arrangement 6,5,4 combination > 6 arrangement 5,5,4 combination > 3 arrangement 15 > 10 possibilities similarly for 14,13,12,and 11 we have 15,21,25,27 possibilities respectively. Total favorable: 1+3+6+10+15+21+25+27 = 108 possibilities Probability = 108/(6*6*6) = 1/2 or 32/64 Two important points... the solution is not the shortest but shows systematic listing method useful for other questions. Secondly, It appeared as though a series was forming.. which is not the case!!! Kudos for the Solution plz....
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jamescath wrote: Bunuel wrote: imania wrote: would you love to see how attacked it? if Joe is expected to outscore his friend, he should get these sums, 11,12,13...18 all possibilities are from 3 to 18 so : prob =8/16 equal to 1/2 PS. If you are wondering how I came to 3 as min because 1+1+1 and likewise 18 is max (6+6+6) Unfortunately this approach is not right though for this particular case it gave a correct answer. Consider this: if it were that Mary scored not 10 but 17 then Joe to outscore Mary should get only 18 and according to your approach as there are total of 16 scores possible then the probability of Joe getting 18 would be 1/16. But this is not correct, probability of 18 is (1/6)^3=1/216 not 1/16.This is because not all scores from 3 to 18 have equal # of ways to occur: you can get 10 in many ways but 3 or 18 only in one way (3=1+1+1 and 18=6+6+6). Hope it's clear. Hi Bunuel, I have a doubt if that's the question which you created (i.e Joe to outscore marry on 17) then how would you solve and what would be the answer? The answer would be 1/216.
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Bunuel wrote: noboru wrote: Mary and Joe are to throw three dice each. The score is the sum of points on all three dice. If Mary scores 10 in her attempt what is the probability that Joe will outscore Mary in his? Expected value of one die is 1/6*(1+2+3+4+5+6)=3.5. Expected value of three dice is 3*3.5=10.5. Mary scored 10 so the probability to get the sum more then 10 (11, 12, 13, ..., 18), or more then the average, is the same as to get the sum less than average (10, 9, 8, ..., 3) = 1/2. P=1/2. Loved that approach
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Bunuel wrote: imania wrote: would you love to see how attacked it? if Joe is expected to outscore his friend, he should get these sums, 11,12,13...18 all possibilities are from 3 to 18 so : prob =8/16 equal to 1/2 PS. If you are wondering how I came to 3 as min because 1+1+1 and likewise 18 is max (6+6+6) Unfortunately this approach is not right though for this particular case it gave a correct answer. Consider this: if it were that Mary scored not 10 but 17 then Joe to outscore Mary should get only 18 and according to your approach as there are total of 16 scores possible then the probability of Joe getting 18 would be 1/16. But this is not correct, probability of 18 is (1/6)^3=1/216 not 1/16. This is because not all scores from 3 to 18 have equal # of ways to occur: you can get 10 in many ways but 3 or 18 only in one way (3=1+1+1 and 18=6+6+6). Hope it's clear. Fantastic explanation!
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Is there any alternate approach to solve this problme?



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Yes, but alternative approaches revolve around the same idea. I can tell you how to reduce this problem to that of a multinomial expansion if you want, but the technique is beyond the scope of GMAT. The answer presented here is the simplest possible
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How did you get the possible scores i.e 16 and so the probablity is 1/16 Bunuel wrote: imania wrote: Unfortunately this approach is not right though for this particular case it gave a correct answer.
Consider this: if it were that Mary scored not 10 but 17 then Joe to outscore Mary should get only 18 and according to your approach as there are total of 16 scores possible then the probability of Joe getting 18 would be 1/16. But this is not correct, probability of 18 is (1/6)^3=1/216 not 1/16.
This is because not all scores from 3 to 18 have equal # of ways to occur: you can get 10 in many ways but 3 or 18 only in one way (3=1+1+1 and 18=6+6+6).
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sanober1985 wrote: How did you get the possible scores i.e 16 and so the probablity is 1/16 Bunuel wrote: imania wrote: Unfortunately this approach is not right though for this particular case it gave a correct answer.
Consider this: if it were that Mary scored not 10 but 17 then Joe to outscore Mary should get only 18 and according to your approach as there are total of 16 scores possible then the probability of Joe getting 18 would be 1/16. But this is not correct, probability of 18 is (1/6)^3=1/216 not 1/16.
This is because not all scores from 3 to 18 have equal # of ways to occur: you can get 10 in many ways but 3 or 18 only in one way (3=1+1+1 and 18=6+6+6).
Hope it's clear. The possible scores are {3,4,5,...,18} which is 16 distinct numbers But probability is NOT 1/16. The outcomes are not equally likely
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Bunuel wrote: noboru wrote: Mary and Joe are to throw three dice each. The score is the sum of points on all three dice. If Mary scores 10 in her attempt what is the probability that Joe will outscore Mary in his? Expected value of one die is 1/6*(1+2+3+4+5+6)=3.5. Expected value of three dice is 3*3.5=10.5. Mary scored 10 so the probability to get the sum more then 10 (11, 12, 13, ..., 18), or more then the average, is the same as to get the sum less than average (10, 9, 8, ..., 3) = 1/2. P=1/2. Amazing explanation, but is this a GMAT type question, if yes then I doubt I will ever be able to solve such questions in Real GMAT Time and space. It is too far fetched for me to even think I can crack such a question in normal finite time, forget GMAT Time !!!
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Bunuel wrote: mariyea wrote: How were you able to come up with (1+2+3+4+5+6)? I understand that one outcome out of six occurs when Joe rolls the dice but the other part... a bit puzzling??? Expected value of a roll of one die is 1/6*1+1/6*2+1/6*3+1/6*4+1/6*5+1/6*6=1/6*(1+2+3+4+5+6)=3.5. I get it now Thanks!
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