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Guys, here is a comprehensive "Decade" ranking of all the top MBA programs. I used the BW, USN, and FT to compile the rankings. I created it because I wanted to see how the programs hold their rankings over time.

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smth is wrong with your decade ratings.
Stern was placed by FT 13th and 15th in 2010 and 2011 and not 8th and 7th (cells J17, K17)
Haas is often place 28th and 30th in FT rankings.

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rpratt620 wrote:
Guys, here is a comprehensive "Decade" ranking of all the top MBA programs. I used the BW, USN, and FT to compile the rankings. I created it because I wanted to see how the programs hold their rankings over time.

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smth is wrong with your decade ratings.
Stern was placed by FT 13th and 15th in 2010 and 2011 and not 8th and 7th (cells J17, K17)
Haas is often place 28th and 30th in FT rankings.

gimme back my kudos :-D



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Given that I was only comparing American schools in this ranking I removed international schools from the FT ranking. That explains why American schools are ranked higher in my spreadsheet than on the actual FT rankings.
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Why do people bother looking at the Economist and BW? Their ranking methods are based on strange metrics, and they deviate significantly from the true value of an MBA.

You can debate whatever metrics you like, but most people are interested in a ranking which shows the post-graduation opportunities available and the prestige associated with the degree. The Economist and BW are wrong almost from top to bottom. In particular, BW rankings use an "employer feedback" method, which doesn't make sense. For example, I'm sure Deutsche Bank is upset they cannot hire H/S/W grads for their mediocre salary, so probably prefer the Haas/Columbia grads. Does that mean Haas/Columbia are better schools? I think not ...

U.S. News rankings are the best reflection of the public perception of the degree, the quality of the admits, and the quality of the post-graduation opportunities. People want the most competitive class, the best "seal of approval" on their resume, and the highest ROI on their money AND time. When you consider this, any ranking which doesn't have H/S/W at the top probably doesn't reflect what people are interested in.
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Why do people bother looking at the Economist and BW? Their ranking methods are based on strange metrics, and they deviate significantly from the true value of an MBA.

You can debate whatever metrics you like, but most people are interested in a ranking which shows the post-graduation opportunities available and the prestige associated with the degree. The Economist and BW are wrong almost from top to bottom. In particular, BW rankings use an "employer feedback" method, which doesn't make sense. For example, I'm sure Deutsche Bank is upset they cannot hire H/S/W grads for their mediocre salary, so probably prefer the Haas/Columbia grads. Does that mean Haas/Columbia are better schools? I think not ...

U.S. News rankings are the best reflection of the public perception of the degree, the quality of the admits, and the quality of the post-graduation opportunities. People want the most competitive class, the best "seal of approval" on their resume, and the highest ROI on their money AND time. When you consider this, any ranking which doesn't have H/S/W at the top probably doesn't reflect what people are interested in.


Jesus. Could you throw more crap at the wall to make your point?

DB hires multiple grads from H/S/W every year. Just as an example.

Hopefully they teach you a bit about expectation bias at Harvard.
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batman28 wrote:
Guys,

Quickly.

What does each ranking (business week, forbes, US news, economist, etc) measure differently? What are their methodologies?

And what is M7 for? I understand that the 7 schools get together to discuss stuff but who cares about that really?? I guess I don't because it won't affect my student experience (classmates, location, post MBA salary, job prospect, etc.)

Thanks.


I think it stands for the 'magnificent 7.' It includes H/S/W, CBS, Kellogg, Booth, MIT

But I don't think it means anything besides what you said...just 7 schools who get together and discuss the future of the degree.

As far as how the rankings differ...each of their websites go into great detail about how its rankings were formulated. For instances, some rankings might put more weight on the schools' average GMAT score while another might put more weight on surveyed student satisfaction. This is why the rankings differ.
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From Forbes (Posted Today)

http://management.fortune.cnn.com/2011/ ... nce-again/

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This year's Poets&Quants B-school rankings are in and, you guessed it, Harvard takes top honors. A look at this year's winners and losers.
By John A. Byrne, contributor

Harvard Business School takes the top spot in this year's Poets&Quants ranking of the best MBA programs in the U.S.
(Poets&Quants) -- Dimming employment prospects on Wall Street may be causing some jitters on campus, but the mood at Harvard Business School is decidedly upbeat. Many students came back from their summer internships with lucrative job offers in hand, and for the first time in the school's history, the entire first year class of some 900-plus MBA students is about to embark next month on an eight-day global immersion experience.
"We are feeling the pressure of final exams and projects," says Jehan deFonseka, a second-year student who is also editor of The Harbus, the B-school's student newspaper. "One of my professors, Joe Lassiter, gave us the advice, 'Die exhausted, not bored.' So far, this year has lived up to that belief."
And now the school is about to get a pre-holiday present of sorts. For the second consecutive year, Harvard bested all other business schools for the distinction of best MBA program in the U.S., according to a new ranking by PoetsandQuants.
This new P&Q list is a composite of the five major MBA rankings published by Bloomberg BusinessWeek, The Economist, The Financial Times, Forbes, and U.S. News & World Report. The ranking takes into account a massive wealth of quantitative and qualitative data captured in the five major lists, from surveys of corporate recruiters, MBA graduates, deans and faculty publication records to median GPA and GMAT scores of entering students as well as the salary and employment statistics of the latest graduating class.
Top 10 MBA programs in the U.S.
By blending these rankings using a system that takes into account each of their strengths as well as their flaws, we've come up with what is arguably the most authoritative ranking of MBA programs published. The list, which includes the recently released 2011 rankings by The Economist, tends to eliminate anomalies and other statistical distortions that often occur in a single ranking. In any case, the ranking measures the overall quality and reputation of the flagship full-time MBA programs at the schools, rather than the schools themselves.
Right behind Harvard is a familiar group of world-renowned schools whose graduates have long represented the best and brightest in business. Stanford Graduate School of Business is second, the University of Chicago's Booth School of Business is third, the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School is fourth, and New York's Columbia Business School rounds out the top five.
Among the top 10, eight schools retained their rankings from last year. The two exceptions: MIT Sloan moved up to a fifth place tie with Columbia Business School, up from eighth place last year, largely due to a significantly improved ranking from Forbes. Dartmouth College's Tuck School, despite receiving a No. 1 rank from The Economist this year, slipped two places to No. 8 from sixth place this previous year, primarily because the school fell several places in the rival Forbes ranking.
Compared to most other rankings, the P&Q analysis leads to a far more stable list. Only 11 of the 100 ranked U.S. schools experienced double-digit changes. In some other rankings as many as one out of three or four schools randomly dive or rise by 10 or more places in a 12-month period, even though there have been no significant changes in the quality of the schools. In the P&Q ranking, not a single MBA program ranked in the top 25 had a double-digit increase or decline. In fact, 16 of the 25 schools had no changes in rank at all and another three schools moved just one place up or down.
Who's up, who's down?
Among the top-tier 25 schools, the most notable improvements occurred at the University of Wisconsin at Madison, which moved up six places to a rank of 24 from No. 30 a year ago, and at Vanderbilt University's Owen School, which inched up three spots to 25 from 28 a year earlier. New York University's Stern School, meantime, slipped three positions to a rank of 15 this year from 18 in 2010.
Bigger changes were most likely to occur further down the list, where the qualitative differences among the business schools aren't nearly as great as they are at the top of the ranking. So small changes often can cause outsize results because the schools are so close together in overall quality -- especially "quality" as it can be discerned by an external ranking. In these cases, the most significant changes tended to occur at schools that were either added or dropped from one of the major rankings in the past year.
Washington University's Olin School, for example, plummeted 15 places to No. 41 from 26 because it fell off the top 100 list compiled by The Financial Times and lost ground in two other rankings by Forbes and U.S. News & World Report. Similarly, Ohio State's Fisher School of Business climbed 14 spots by improving in the Forbes ranking and getting onto both The Economist and The Financial Times' rankings. The school had been excluded from those lists a year earlier.
Strong getting even stronger
By and large, these top schools have fared well through the economic downturn and the continued global uncertainty. Though applications have been declining at many leading schools, the starting pay packages for this year's graduating classes were up, along with job offers. At Dartmouth's Tuck School, Havard, and Columbia, 97% of the students had job offers within three months of graduation. And at most schools, the incoming crop of this year's newest students was among the best ever as judged by their GMAT scores and work experience. At Harvard, the median starting salary of a class of 2011 graduate hit $120,000, up from $110,000 a year earlier. And one Stanford MBA landed a hedge fund job in the Northeast that paid the freshly minted graduate a guaranteed bonus of half a million dollars.
Harvard's road to reform
The Harvard honor comes at an opportune time. HBS Dean Nitin Nohira is in the midst of a highly ambitious effort to update the Harvard MBA experience. The curriculum changes are lessening the school's dependence on its previously sacrosanct case method of teaching that has been the dominant pedagogy at HBS since the mid-1920s. The most significant of these alterations has been the introduction of a new first-year course called FIELD (Field Immersion Experiences for Leadership Development). Based on small-group learning experiences that focus on leadership, global business and entrepreneurship, the course puts the focus on learning by doing.
Most daunting for the institution and the faculty is that Harvard has had to line up some 150 organizations willing to give meaningful project work during the January term to 900-plus MBA students in countries as varied as Vietnam, India and China for an eight-day global immersion experience. The whole idea has some rival deans wondering about the outcome.
"What's unique is that it's required," says Robert Bruner, dean of the University of Virginia's Darden School. "Every student will have to do it. It's a big deal. I admire and applaud Harvard. The question is, will this exercise speak to the students? We'll find out. I'm rooting for them, and I admire their audacity."
So far, there has been some student grumbling over their forthcoming project assignments. But overall, the new curriculum changes have been received positively, say students. If The Harbus' deFonseka were handing out HBS grades, which are done by number instead of letters, he would give Dean Nohira a low 1, equal to an A-.
"He has been a very visible dean, and has been open in communicating his plans with students," deFonseka says. "He and his team have been pretty responsive when students have had problems with the new curriculum -- for example, their FIELD location assignments. There is work left to improve the new curriculum, as one would expect, but the direction that HBS is going is definitely the right one."



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frankly, Poets and Quants seems to have a thing against Wharton..

I dont believe chicago out does wharton..the prestige of wharton is simply something booth will never have.

it goes without saying, top three are going to H/S/W followed by Booth, Kellogg, Columbia, Tuck,


P&Q doesn't have an opinion... its just an index. That said, I think some schools are short-changed by BW simply because of the consideration set that employers use when considering schools. Many employers don't look at 20 schools... they maybe look at 5-6. So if a school like NYU is being compared to their consideration set of H/W/B/C, they're not going to look so hot... but really they're a top 5 school if you're doing finance. A lower ranked school isn't going to get a bad rating, because it isn't even going to be compared. However, if that lower ranked school is in some nice space where it excels, that part of the school will be expressed.
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Could you tell me which universities would accept students without work ex? And would a gmat score of 540 cut it in anyof them?



There are many MBA programs willing to take your money, and give you a subpar product with little to no job prospects.

The main question I have is... why MBA, why now?
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@Narenn Thanks a lot for the list. I wanted to know which is the most reliable and suitable source for 2014 MBA rankings for MBA FULL TIME ( US + International )
FT? Forbes? Economist? or any other?


We can not explicitly state which is most reliable as each of these companies ranks business schools with its own criteria; however, for US schools, people generally tend to refer rankings published by US News, Forbes, & Economist, and for International schools, rankings of BusinessWeek, FT.

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I am also looking for the ranking of 1 year - 16 months programs.
Also - can you please guide me as to which programs have an internship included, as I feel they are extremely helpful in getting placements.

Bro, the only reasonable program that fulfills your time and internship requirements is INSEAD.
If you extend the time thingy to 18 months, then you can include LBS too.
But no reasonable program will offer you internship and short program duration in a bundle...
As far as rankings are concerned, you may refer to the following.
    Kellogg
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    Emory
    USC
    Notre Dame
    Boston U.
    Babson
    Thunderbird
    Florida (Hough)
    Katz
    Pepperdine
    Willamette (Atkinson)

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I am looking for high ranking US MBA, which is one year, not two year, long.

can you help me?

thank you


I'm not sure if we're allowed to post external links or not. But poets & quants have an article with rankings about one year MBAs

http://poetsandquants.com/2012/07/10/gu ... -programs/
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it's from unemployed MBA graduate. I may sound bitter but potential students must beware of the ranking system.my MBA school always ranked high in ASEAN region under FT and stated 98% employed within 3 month of graduation. Yes our formal (convocation) is in august, but our courses completion is on december every year. That's 11 months unemployment!! i prefer the economist survey method than FT. FT just took the data the schools provided from school website (or what I was told so) but economist really sent their surveys to the students and alumni. My school decided not to publish the economist rank since 201x because the students and our alumni put a very low ranking during their recent survey. I suggest choose schools that rank consistently across the economist and FT. whichever schools that are high in FT, and low or disappear in the economist are suspects. My careers service focuses on "helping" the employers by profiling the students resume, meaning that you can "dream" on careers switch, but they will only "promote" certain individuals they like to the employers. This is as value add services to the employer (not for the students). Student fees are only to pay for their career "tuition" fee, not to help students to find jobs (really new jargon to me). Still unemployed for 4 months and was told by the career services that they will help to find out why I am so "unsuccessful". cheers (MBA graduate from the best business school in ASEAN).
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I find the widely variable rankings dizzying, so I tried to quickly simplify them. All I did was average rankings across the 5 sources (for US) and reorder. Not sure if they all "deserve" equal weight. Here it is:

Elite (Average rank between 3 and 5):
1) Stanford
2) Chicago Booth
3) Harvard
4) UPenn Wharton

Near-elite (Average rank between 7 and 12):
5) Columbia
6) NW Kellogg
7) MIT Sloan
8) Dartmouth Tuck
9) UC Haas

Great (Average rank between 12 and 18):
10) Duke Fuqua
11) Yale
12) UM Ross
13) UVA Darden
14) UC Anderson
15) NYU Stern
16) Cornell Johnson

There is a distinct drop off from the top 4 to the #5, then a slow decline from 5 through 16, and then another distinct drop for the rest.
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Hello everyone,,

for the full time MBA rankings, which one is the most accurate or representative result? They look....very different from one another.


I wrote a post summarizing a few of the rankings:
mba-ranking-methodologies-what-is-really-important-200971.html

They have very different methodologies. I am critical of US News because it so heavily weighs reputation. The ranking is slow to adjust. Yale SOM will have to take some time to climb up the ranking even though the program is much better now than it was 10 years ago and is attracting better quality students. Booth, Tuck, and Darden seem to have happy students who rate their programs favorably (not factored at all in US News). That matters more to me, personally.
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Here are the new US News special rankings:

Finance:
#1 University of Pennsylvania (Wharton)
#2 University of Chicago (Booth)
#3 New York University (Stern)
#4 Stanford University
#5 Columbia University
#6 Massachusetts Institute of Technology (Sloan)
#7 University of California—Berkeley (Haas)
#8 Harvard University
#9 University of Michigan—Ann Arbor (Ross)
#10 Northwestern University (Kellogg)
#11 University of California—Los Angeles (Anderson)

Entrepreneurship:
#1Tie Babson College (Olin)
#1Tie Stanford University
#3Tie Harvard University
#3Tie Massachusetts Institute of Technology (Sloan)
#5 University of California—Berkeley (Haas)
#6 University of Texas—Austin (McCombs)
#7 University of Pennsylvania (Wharton)
#8 Indiana University (Kelley)
#9 University of Michigan—Ann Arbor (Ross)
#10Tie Loyola Marymount University
#10Tie University of Southern California (Marshall)

Accounting:
#1 University of Texas—Austin (McCombs)
#2Tie University of Chicago (Booth)
#2Tie University of Pennsylvania (Wharton)
#4 University of Illinois—Urbana-Champaign
#5 University of Michigan—Ann Arbor (Ross)
#6 Stanford University
#7 Brigham Young University (Marriott)
#8 New York University (Stern)
#9 University of Southern California (Marshall)
#10 University of North Carolina—Chapel Hill (Kenan-Flagler)
#11 Indiana University (Kelley)

International Management:
#1 University of South Carolina (Moore)
#2 Harvard University
#3Tie Thunderbird School of Global Management
#3Tie University of California—Berkeley (Haas)
#5Tie Columbia University
#5Tie University of Pennsylvania (Wharton)
#7 University of Michigan—Ann Arbor (Ross)
#8 Stanford University
#9 New York University (Stern)
#10 Duke University (Fuqua)
#11 University of Southern California (Marshall)

Management:
#1 Harvard University
#2 Stanford University
#3 University of Pennsylvania (Wharton)
#4 Northwestern University (Kellogg)
#5 University of Michigan—Ann Arbor (Ross)
#6 University of Virginia (Darden)
#7 University of California—Berkeley (Haas)
#8Tie Dartmouth College (Tuck)
#8Tie University of Chicago (Booth)
#10Tie Columbia University
#10Tie Duke University (Fuqua)

Information Systems:
#1 Massachusetts Institute of Technology (Sloan)
#2 Carnegie Mellon University (Tepper)
#3 University of Texas—Austin (McCombs)
#4 University of Minnesota—Twin Cities (Carlson)
#5 University of Arizona (Eller)
#6 New York University (Stern)
#7Tie Stanford University
#7Tie University of Maryland—College Park (Smith)
#9 University of Pennsylvania (Wharton)
#10 Arizona State University (Carey)
#11 Georgia Institute of Technology (Scheller)

Marketing:
#1 Northwestern University (Kellogg)
#2 University of Pennsylvania (Wharton)
#3 Harvard University
#4 Stanford University
#5 Columbia University
#6Tie Duke University (Fuqua)
#6Tie University of Michigan—Ann Arbor (Ross)
#8 University of Chicago (Booth)
#9 University of California—Berkeley (Haas)
#10 New York University (Stern)
#11Tie University of California—Los Angeles (Anderson)
#11Tie University of Texas—Austin (McCombs)

Nonprofit:
#1 Yale University
#2Tie Harvard University
#2Tie Stanford University
#4 University of California—Berkeley (Haas)
#5 Northwestern University (Kellogg)
#6 Duke University (Fuqua)
#7 Columbia University
#8 University of Michigan—Ann Arbor (Ross)
#9 Fordham University (Gabelli)
#10 University of California—Los Angeles (Anderson)
#11 University of Notre Dame (Mendoza)


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Would anyone have a list of 1 year MBA both for USA/International with a specialization in Marketing ?

I am into IT Sales with 10 years of total work experience. Hence looking at a 1 year full time MBA only.

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Kellogg is strong in marketing and has a 1-year MBA program.
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Sorry for this stupid question, but can someone please tell me which Program "Risk Management" fall under, "Finance" or "Management"?

I'm a newcomer from Vietnam, who wants to get an MBA on Risk Management in the US. Thank you all.



Any school will provide you with a path to Finance, Marketing, Consulting, etc. Each program allows you to take a few elective classes and that's what you can use to "specialize" your MBA. However, as anyone will tell you, you don't get hired after an MBA because you sat through some classes, it is not a carpentry school or an auto-mechanic training. The reason you get an MBA is to get a job in the mid/upper management and it is impossible for a school to teach you specifics of what you will need - they can only challenge your comfort zone, develop your leadership abilities, emphasize team work, and demonstrate that you are good at prioritizing and time management. Specialization rankings are a farce by en large and you will see that many of them make zero sense. Do your own research but I would guess any top 20 or top 50 MBA will satisfy your needs. Keep in mind that applications are very competitive and so are jobs in some of the fancier industries such as Consulting, PE, VC, etc.

You need to see if you can hang out/connect with some folks who got an MBA and are in Vietnam and get a better sense/feel for what an MBA really is - you will have a much better experience, better results, and less frustration.

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Would anyone have a list of 1 year MBA both for USA/International with a specialization in Marketing ?

I am into IT Sales with 10 years of total work experience. Hence looking at a 1 year full time MBA only.

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This will help
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Updated the ranking charts with latest Businessweek rankings (2016). Top gainers and losers are as below...

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Guys,

Do you know where I can find a ranking that compares US B Schools with Europe/Asia/Canada/Australia B Schools in the same ranking? I need to compare some schools and the ranking here just give this options in two different charts.

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Hi There,
I guess GMAT club rankings have most schools featured and can be used as a great comparison tool

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