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Membership in the Theta Delta Psi fraternity is easily obtained by those who have a previously had strong social connections with existing fraternity members before college. However, one must have attended high school with one or more of the members in order to forge such strong social connections. People who lack these social connections because they have not attended high school with one or more current fraternity members will therefore find it difficult to join the fraternity.

This argument displays flawed reasoning because it neglects to consider the possibility that
A) many of those who went to high school with TDO fraternity members did not themselves become members of the fraternity
B) it is more important in the long run to socialize with non-fraternity members than to develop strong connections with fraternity members
C) it is more difficult to forge social connections with fraternity members than with non-fraternity members
D) one may easily obtain membership in the fraternity through means other than having strong social connections with existing members
E) some current members of the fraternity did not go to high school with other members

I need suggestions/stance of folks on this.

If I am not wrong this is a causation reasoning wherein the argument flows as below:

(1).SC => membership
(2).HC => SC

(1) and (2) implies HC => SC => Membership

Therefore, ~HC => ~Membership (As per conclusion)

Now in a weaken causation question we can do it in 4 ways as we all know from CR bible :

(1). Alternative cause (2). Cause occurs effect doesn't occurs (3).Cause doesn't occrs effect occs (4).stated relation reversed (5).Statistics Issue

Here IMHO , Option (A) says in many cases

HC => ~membership (Adhering to cause doesn't occur effect occurs)

Option (D) adhers to (1). Alternative cause .

Plz suggest on the above explanation .
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Membership in the Theta Delta Psi fraternity is easily obtained by those who have a previously had strong social connections with existing fraternity members before college. However, one must have attended high school with one or more of the members in order to forge such strong social connections. People who lack these social connections because they have not attended high school with one or more current fraternity members will therefore find it difficult to join the fraternity.

This argument displays flawed reasoning because it neglects to consider the possibility that
A) many of those who went to high school with TDO fraternity members did not themselves become members of the fraternity
B) it is more important in the long run to socialize with non-fraternity members than to develop strong connections with fraternity members
C) it is more difficult to forge social connections with fraternity members than with non-fraternity members
D) one may easily obtain membership in the fraternity through means other than having strong social connections with existing members
E) some current members of the fraternity did not go to high school with other members

I need suggestions/stance of folks on this.

If I am not wrong this is a causation reasoning wherein the argument flows as below:

(1).SC => membership
(2).HC => SC

(1) and (2) implies HC => SC => Membership

Therefore, ~HC => ~Membership (As per conclusion)

Now in a weaken causation question we can do it in 4 ways as we all know from CR bible :

(1). Alternative cause (2). Cause occurs effect doesn't occurs (3).Cause doesn't occrs effect occs (4).stated relation reversed (5).Statistics Issue

Here IMHO , Option (A) says in many cases

HC => ~membership (Adhering to cause doesn't occur effect occurs)

Option (D) adhers to (1). Alternative cause .

Plz suggest on the above explanation .


Since option A is your cause of concern, I'll explain only that.

Conclusion - People who lack these social connections because they have not attended high school with one or more current fraternity members will therefore find it difficult to join the fraternity.

A - This option speaks about people who DID go to high school with the TDO fraternity members. Do we care about them?.. Not at all.. To hell with them.. :P Our concern is about the people who DID NOT go to high school with the TDO fraternity members.. So this option is wrong..
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Since option A is your cause of concern, I'll explain only that.

Conclusion - People who lack these social connections because they have not attended high school with one or more current fraternity members will therefore find it difficult to join the fraternity.

A - This option speaks about people who DID go to high school with the TDO fraternity members. Do we care about them?.. Not at all.. To hell with them.. :P Our concern is about the people who DID NOT go to high school with the TDO fraternity members.. So this option is wrong..


Glad to see ur reply.However, can u clear the picture with the causation idea.

~(high School) => ~(membership)

Option (A) Says => Cause doesn't occur but still effect occurs i.e. High school => ~(membership)

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Since option A is your cause of concern, I'll explain only that.

Conclusion - People who lack these social connections because they have not attended high school with one or more current fraternity members will therefore find it difficult to join the fraternity.

A - This option speaks about people who DID go to high school with the TDO fraternity members. Do we care about them?.. Not at all.. To hell with them.. :P Our concern is about the people who DID NOT go to high school with the TDO fraternity members.. So this option is wrong..


Glad to see ur reply.However, can u clear the picture with the causation idea.

~(high School) => ~(membership)

Option (A) Says => Cause doesn't occur but still effect occurs i.e. High school => ~(membership)

Plz advice !

The conclusion of this argument is that people who DID NOT attend high school with members will find getting membership difficult.

The conclusion is not that

People who DID attend high school with members will get membership easily. It is just a premise.

The cause over here is "NOT attending high school with frat members" and the effect of this "Difficulty in getting membership".

Option "A" talks neither about the cause nor about the effect.

Hope it is clear.
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I ll try, if it clears your doubt , will be happy.

Conclusion: Its easy to become member, if you have a high school connection with the existing members.

Prethinking Assumption: Its not impossible to become member of the club without a high school connection, but it will be difficult.Hence there may be other ways to take up the membership and these can be easier to.
Notice that nowhere it is discussed that the said method is the only easiest. Its mentioned ...If not followed this method, than it may be difficult to take up membership....Hence it does not reject the possibility of existing of other simpler methods.
I second the thought of MACFAUZ, as we are concerned just about those who went to the school ...Using this line of reasoning we can reject options A and E.

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Just have to make sure you understand the main point: No fraternity friend/ social connection = Difficult joining fraternity

A) out of scope
B) out of scope - not concerned with long term, only what leads to successful joining of fraternity
C) out of scope - don't care about non-fraternity members, they have no tie to the argument
D) Correct, the author failed to recognize that there might be other means of successful joining
E) irrelevant, many members from many schools, could be a large fraternity with big diverse population

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E) some current members of the fraternity did not go to high school with other members

what is wrong with E. if current students who did not go to high school with other members of fret managed to get into fret.. then how they got into the fret.. definitely by some other possible way.. then what is the difference between D and E, both are pointing to an external factor.
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IMO D :idea:
option E nowhere talks about conclusion and its reasoning , " some members of frarenity who joined high school with other " has no impact on conlusion to negate. does it ??
option D clearly talks about main conclusion and negate the only possiblity for obtaining membership other than having strong social connections.Therfore argument displays flawed reasoning :roll: .

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E) some current members of the fraternity did not go to high school with other members

what is wrong with E. if current students who did not go to high school with other members of fret managed to get into fret.. then how they got into the fret.. definitely by some other possible way.. then what is the difference between D and E, both are pointing to an external factor.


The argument never does state that the current students without social connections cant get in..Its just that it is difficult..so some members getting in (Might be the ones who did the lot of hard work required) does not weaken the argument..
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E) some current members of the fraternity did not go to high school with other members

what is wrong with E. if current students who did not go to high school with other members of fret managed to get into fret.. then how they got into the fret.. definitely by some other possible way.. then what is the difference between D and E, both are pointing to an external factor.


The argument never does state that the current students without social connections cant get in..Its just that it is difficult..so some members getting in (Might be the ones who did the lot of hard work required) does not weaken the argument..


Dont you think both options are pointing to external factor even if it is hard work.
then, in your opinion What option E suggests?
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JusTLucK04 wrote:
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E) some current members of the fraternity did not go to high school with other members

what is wrong with E. if current students who did not go to high school with other members of fret managed to get into fret.. then how they got into the fret.. definitely by some other possible way.. then what is the difference between D and E, both are pointing to an external factor.


The argument never does state that the current students without social connections cant get in..Its just that it is difficult..so some members getting in (Might be the ones who did the lot of hard work required) does not weaken the argument..


Dont you think both options are pointing to external factor even if it is hard work.
then, in your opinion What option E suggests?


Hard work is not an external factor..it has been stated in the premises..
E states that the fact that a frat member did not attend the same high school is unaccounted for...This is not true..It is mentioned by the words Easily,Difficult etc..that those who did not attend same high school did get in..but with lot of hard work..
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I think I got it.
it is all about how easily one can join fret.
Author is making a point that one, who has not developed one's social connection by not joining High school with existing members, find it difficult to get into fret.

Because (E) does not talk about weather existing members, who did not join high school with other fret members, faced any difficulty to get into the fret. So it does not weaken the reasoning.

Only (D) talks about existence of other easy method by which one can get into the fret.

Thus D is weakening the argument.

I hope this time I made a right analysis.
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Membership in the Theta Delta Psi fraternity is easily obtained by those who have a previously had strong social connections with existing fraternity members before college. However, one must have attended high school with one or more of the members in order to forge such strong social connections. People who lack these social connections because they have not attended high school with one or more current fraternity members will therefore find it difficult to join the fraternity.

This argument displays flawed reasoning because it neglects to consider the possibility that
A) many of those who went to high school with TDO fraternity members did not themselves become members of the fraternity
B) it is more important in the long run to socialize with non-fraternity members than to develop strong connections with fraternity members
C) it is more difficult to forge social connections with fraternity members than with non-fraternity members
D) one may easily obtain membership in the fraternity through means other than having strong social connections with existing members
E) some current members of the fraternity did not go to high school with other members


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People who lack these social connections because they have not attended high school with one or more current fraternity members will therefore find it difficult to join the fraternity.

Focus on this sentence. We have a flaw there ---> So have to be some other ways to join the fraternity (not difficult) for people who lack social connections.
A. Does not give us another way. Out of scope.
B. Does not give us another way.
C. Does not give us another way. Out of scope.

D. Good! It does not tell what the way. But tells us that this way exists. We can easily join the fraternity in spite of lack of social connections.
E. Tricky one. But maybe it was difficult for these members to join the fraternity. And it does not reveal any flaw in "People who lack these social connections because they have not attended high school with one or more current fraternity members will therefore find it difficult to join the fraternity."

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