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# MGMAT SC Guide Doubt

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24 Aug 2013, 05:25
Hi Folks,

Below has been mentioned in MGMAT SC guide

"Note that the verb TO BE does not have to be part of a linking verb phrase. The verb to be
also forms the progressive tenses (I am watering the plants) and the passive voice (The plants
were watered last night). Do not look for parallelism in these uses of be."

How to generalize "THESE" in RED

So How we can segregate where to make the elements parallel when linking verbs are involved and where there is no need for checking parallelism.

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Re: MGMAT SC Guide Doubt [#permalink]

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24 Aug 2013, 23:32
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Hi Folks,

Below has been mentioned in MGMAT SC guide

"Note that the verb TO BE does not have to be part of a linking verb phrase. The verb to be
also forms the progressive tenses (I am watering the plants) and the passive voice (The plants
were watered last night). Do not look for parallelism in these uses of be."

How to generalize "THESE" in RED

So How we can segregate where to make the elements parallel when linking verbs are involved and where there is no need for checking parallelism.

Rgds,
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First, a bit on linking verbs. Unlike most verbs that describe the action of the subject, linking verbs "link" the subject to the object, with the object describing what the subject is or providing information on the subject's condition. For this linking to make sense, the subject and the object need to be structurally and logically parallel. [See the linking verb examples from the strategy guide].

Using the verb "to be" can be a bit complicating, however, because "to be" is the most common linking verb but "to be" is also an essential building block of the progressive tenses and the passive voice. When "to be" is part of the progressive tenses and the passive voice, the verb "to be" is NOT acting as a linking verb, therefore you do not have to think about making the subject parallel with the object (like you would in the case of a linking verb).

In general, I wouldn't worry too much about parallelism with linking verbs as it's a subtle form of paralellism and not frequently tested.

KW

[While writing this post I had to fix parallelism issue involving a linking verb. Originally I had written "The verb 'to be' can be a bit complicating". The subject 'verb' isn't really parallel with the object 'a bit complicating'. By changing to "Using the verb", the subject and object become more parallel - using the verb & a bit complicating.]
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26 Aug 2013, 23:25
Right: Antonio DROVE to the store, and Cristina BOUGHT some ice cream.

In the sentence above, which has two main clauses linked by and, we are not emphasizing
the order of events (although drove probably happened before bought). Clauses linked by
and or but do not require the Past Perfect as a general rule.

Using this construction, you can even make a tricky sentence in which the first clause
expresses an early action in Simple Past. Then, a second clause expresses a later action in
Past Perfect to indicate continued effect (by a still later past time).

Right: The band U2 WAS just one of many new groups on the rock music scene
in the early 1980's, but less than ten years later, U2 HAD fully ECLIPSED
its early rivals in the pantheon of popular music.

To MGMAT staff,

Don't you think giving above two examples in SC guide is a paradox.

In the first example the guide says that clauses linked by AND/BUT DO NOT REQUIRE PAST PERFECT as a GENERAL RULE. However, in the second example some ambiguous concept is explained , contradicting the First Example.

Plz enlighten as to what the second example signifies and is trying to explain

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28 Aug 2013, 03:52
TENSE DOUBT:

At one place MGMAT suggest that you shouldn't use present tense to indicate FUTURE. However, please see
the below example.

Example quoted from the Guide:

IF Sophie EATS pizza tomorrow, THEN she WILL BECOME ill.
IF Present, THEN Future.

Can experts please clarify that how 'EATS pizza tommorrow' is PRESENT TENSE

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28 Aug 2013, 04:47
Hi

there isn't nothing wro at all with this construction.

this situation takes place when you have IF clause THEN clause. Is a sort of costruction; it is quite similar to an idiom in its reasoning: it is so. that's it

Such construction refers to a conditional statement in which the taking place of something depends on the takaing place of something else.

Present tense

If present, then will + base verb

Past tense

if past tense, then would/could + base verb

Past perfect tense

if past perfect tense, then would/could + have + past participle (i.e. you would have become)

Hope now is clear.
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28 Aug 2013, 05:17
@carcass

Can you answer the other query,which is posted in the previous post, as well?

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28 Aug 2013, 06:46
Past Perfect Query:

Last Monday Mary realized that she will have to spend all of that night rewriting her application
because she did not back up her flies.

Because of Event X => Y happened

X= did not back up her flies
Y= realized that

So here this is a cause and effect

X= Cause
Y=Effect

Cause will obviously occur before Effect then why we need past perfect?

So why we need a past perfect as per the Guide

Correction: Last Monday Mary realized that she would have to spend all of that night rewriting her
application because she had not backed up her files.

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28 Aug 2013, 10:04
TGC wrote:
Past Perfect Query:

Last Monday Mary realized that she will have to spend all of that night rewriting her application
because she did not back up her flies.

Because of Event X => Y happened

X= did not back up her flies
Y= realized that

So here this is a cause and effect

X= Cause
Y=Effect

Cause will obviously occur before Effect then why we need past perfect?

So why we need a past perfect as per the Guide

Correction: Last Monday Mary realized that she would have to spend all of that night rewriting her
application because she had not backed up her files.

Rgds,
TGC!

I suggest you to read this

For instance I do know few grammar rules; I rely a lot on my logic and meaning of the sentence. After all this test is based on logic not grammar rules to memorized.

Of course they are important but until a certain point

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28 Aug 2013, 10:05
carcass wrote:
TGC wrote:
Past Perfect Query:

Last Monday Mary realized that she will have to spend all of that night rewriting her application
because she did not back up her flies.

Because of Event X => Y happened

X= did not back up her flies
Y= realized that

So here this is a cause and effect

X= Cause
Y=Effect

Cause will obviously occur before Effect then why we need past perfect?

So why we need a past perfect as per the Guide

Correction: Last Monday Mary realized that she would have to spend all of that night rewriting her
application because she had not backed up her files.

Rgds,
TGC!

I suggest you to read this

For instance I do know few grammar rules; I rely a lot on my logic and meaning of the sentence. After all this test is based on logic not grammar rules to memorize.

Of course they are important but until a certain point

Regards
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28 Aug 2013, 11:53
@carcass

I know that GMAT has shifted the focus of testing SC on meaning rather than on grammar. At the same time
one should have solid fundamentals.

It is like first you have to drive the car on a plane road and then on the road having obstacles.

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28 Aug 2013, 16:01
TGC wrote:
Right: Antonio DROVE to the store, and Cristina BOUGHT some ice cream.

In the sentence above, which has two main clauses linked by and, we are not emphasizing
the order of events (although drove probably happened before bought). Clauses linked by
and or but do not require the Past Perfect as a general rule.

Using this construction, you can even make a tricky sentence in which the first clause
expresses an early action in Simple Past. Then, a second clause expresses a later action in
Past Perfect to indicate continued effect (by a still later past time).

Right: The band U2 WAS just one of many new groups on the rock music scene
in the early 1980's, but less than ten years later, U2 HAD fully ECLIPSED
its early rivals in the pantheon of popular music.

To MGMAT staff,

Don't you think giving above two examples in SC guide is a paradox.

In the first example the guide says that clauses linked by AND/BUT DO NOT REQUIRE PAST PERFECT as a GENERAL RULE. However, in the second example some ambiguous concept is explained , contradicting the First Example.

Plz enlighten as to what the second example signifies and is trying to explain

Rgds,
TGC!

Let me start by emphasizing the principle that you need to remember about Past Perfect - The Past Perfect is used on the GMAT to show a time relationship between two events in the past with the earlier event having the past perfect tense. If you remember that, you will be good on the vast majority of SC problems involving the past perfect verb tense.

The U2 example is very complex and runs counter to the principle above. More importantly, you really wouldn't see a problem that utilizes this rule very often, if at all. Here is the sentence again:
Right: The band U2 WAS just one of many new groups on the rock music scene
in the early 1980's, but less than ten years later, U2 HAD fully ECLIPSED
its early rivals in the pantheon of popular music.
In this particular construction, the Past Perfect is not used to show the earlier of two past events. The earlier event is actually that U2 was on the rock scene in the early 80s. The past perfect clause is a later event and it shows that U2 had eclipsed other rivals and the 'eclipsing' was still in effect. In essence, in this particular sentence, the past perfect is acting like the present perfect (present perfect is used to show that an action started in the past and the action or its effect is still ongoing).

Again, remember the earlier principle and don't get too caught up in largely irrelevant examples like this one.

KW
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