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Minnesota is the only one of the contiguous forty-eight states that still has a sizable wolf population, and where this predator remains the archenemy of cattle and sheep.

(A) that still has a sizable wolf population, and where
(B) that still has a sizable wolf population, where
(C) that still has a sizable population of wolves, and where
(D) where the population of wolves is still sizable;
(E) where there is still a sizable population of wolves and where

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Which one is better sizable wolf population or sizable population of wolves.
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Can someone explain in detail why E is correct.



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Minnesota is the only one of the contiguous forty-eight states that still has a sizable wolf population, and where this predator remains the archenemy of cattle and sheep.

(A) that still has a sizable wolf population, and where
(B) that still has a sizable wolf population, where
(C) that still has a sizable population of wolves, and where
(D) where the population of wolves is still sizable; - gramatically is correct but needs conjunction to show the logical relationship between two independent clauses, rather tah semicolon that implies their equality
(E) where there is still a sizable population of wolves and where

Remember: when two clauses are introduced than both of them must be parallel either “that….that” OR “where….where” (it is wrong to use “that….where”)
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Minnesota is the only one of the contiguous forty-eight states that still has a sizable wolf population, and where this predator remains the archenemy of cattle and sheep.

A. that still has a sizable wolf population, and where - "contiguous 48 states" is plural and being the subject of the "that" clause, needs the plural verb "have" and not "has". "that" ||"where"

B. that still has a sizable wolf population, where - "contiguous 48 states" is plural and being the subject of the "that" clause, needs the plural verb "have" and not "has". "Population" is not a place

C. that still has a sizable population of wolves, and where - "contiguous 48 states" is plural and being the subject of the "that" clause, needs the plural verb "have" and not "has". "that" ||"where"

D. where the population of wolves is still sizable; - "where" correctly refers back to a place". But the "population of the wolves" and "predator" wolves "being an archenemy of cattle and sheep" are 2 related ideas which can best be presented by a conjunction "and" and not by a semi colon clause. The purpose of the part remains ambiguous because of this.

E. where there is still a sizable population of wolves and where Correct
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This question is one of the most ticklish problems for a variety of reasons. First of all, this is GMATPREP question. By marking the word ‘this’ in the non-underlined part, GMAT is giving us a message that we should wink at it and leave it, whatever be the its reference since GMAT is known to be liberal in the reference of the pronouns.

But more importantly: is the use of the singular ‘has’ correct?

Look at some examples

1. Twenty-two feet long and 10 feet in diameter, the AM-1 is one of the many new satellites that is a part of 15 years effort of subjecting the interactions of Earth's atmosphere, oceans, and land surfaces to detailed scrutiny from space.
-Correct choice: E. satellites that are part of a 15-year effort to subject the interactions of Earth’s atmosphere, ocean, and land surfaces

2. With its abundance of noun inflections, Icelandic is one of several Germanic languages that is compact when written but can lengthen considerably when translated into English.
Correct Choice: (D) that are compact when written but can lengthen considerably in English translation


One of Xs.........................Singular verb
One of the students has secured centum (without that / who)

One of Xs...that/who........Plural verb
One of the students that/ who have secured centum (with that or who) Xs = the students

Only one of Xs...that/who...Plural verb
Only one of the students who / that have secured centum

Only one of the Xs ...........Singular verb
Only one of the students has secured centum

The only one of the Xs that/who.Singular verb
The only one of the students that/ who has secured centum
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Minnesota is the only one of the contiguous forty-eight states that still has a sizable wolf population, and where this predator remains the archenemy of cattle and sheep.

(A) that still has a sizable wolf population, and where
(B) that still has a sizable wolf population, where
(C) that still has a sizable population of wolves, and where
(D) where the population of wolves is still sizable;
(E) where there is still a sizable population of wolves and where

Which one is better sizable wolf population or sizable population of wolves.
Please explain the answer?


as already explained

one of Plural noun that plural verb

A,B,C - out

E - wordy. 'there is' is redundant

D - best.
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Choice D woefully misses the conjunction that bridges Minnesota with the un-underlined part of the sentence, resulting in a debate as to what purpose the second part serves after separated from the main part, by a semicolon.

In B, doesn’t the pronoun where, by virtue of its placement, modify population, which is wrong?

Though wordy, by using where for both the parts of the sentence and also by employing the more customary population of wolves rather than the odd wolf population, E seems to stand out IMO
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Minnesota is the only one of the contiguous forty-eight states that still has a sizable wolf population, and where this predator remains the archenemy of cattle and sheep.

A. that still has a sizable wolf population, and where --- Parallelisms error: we can not place that clause parallel to where clause.
B. that still has a sizable wolf population, where --- where (relative pronoun) is modifying the population.
C. that still has a sizable population of wolves, and where -- same error as in A.
D. where the population of wolves is still sizable; --- separation of ideas by semicolon doesn't go well in this option.
E. where there is still a sizable population of wolves and where --- Though "where there" sounds awkward, E presents perfect parallelism and keeps ideas properly connected.

Therefore, E is Right.

Note: verb "has" in choice A, B and C is fine; it agrees with "the only one".
... the only one of the factors that ...(use singular verb)...
... (only) one of the factors that ... (use plural verb)...


Hi Piyush,
Can u please elaborate a lil more as to why semicolon doesn't seem to go well in option D? I see no specific reason to eliminate it.


Hi,

Semicolon is used when the two clauses are independent but closely related. If you use a semicolon, then the second clause will be "this predator remains the archenemy of cattle and sheep." Now, the second clause becomes a generalization and doesn't indicate whether the action happens in Minnesota or the action happens in general.

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i think the obvious split is choosing between "that" and "where". "where" clearly makes sense since the underlined portion of the sentence describes about a specific characteristic about Minnesota-"that" seems to refer to other states, which clearly is not what the sentence is trying to convey. Choice D has meaning error, and therefore the right answer is choice E, both logically and syntactically correct.
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stuck b/w D n E option
Why D is wrong


D has a semicolon and as such should make sense with/show result of the portion before the semicolon. The intended meaning of the sentence is that there are 2 things mentioned about Minesotta: 1. It is one of those states where there is a sizable wolf population and 2. the wolves there are the archenemies of cattle etc.

Option D breaks this implied relation and by putting it IC1;IC2 (IC = independent clause) , the 'relatedness' is lost.
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You are right. When you say, it is the only one, then the verb should be ‘has’. Choices A B and C have no SV error but are wrong because of inferior parallelism of using 'that' in the first place and 'where'in the second place.
Relatively E, you can see, is using where for both the clauses.
In B ‘where’ without the ‘and’ seems to be referring to 'population' which is not a place.
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Hi Experts, i have a query can we not eliminate abc on the basis of that as we always use where when addressing location?


Good question, shalabhg27. I don't think that the GMAT is particularly rigid on this. Sure, if you use the word "where", it would have to modify a place or location -- but you could use "that" to modify a location, too.

  • The restaurant that serves a Polish buffet is one of Chicago's most legendary eateries.
  • Someday, I want to live in a country that has a reasonable health care system.

Both of these seem completely acceptable to me, even though "that" modifies a location in each case ("restaurant" and "country", respectively). So I wouldn't say that "where" is necessary when you're modifying a place or location.

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1 more thing what is the anticident of this predator?

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In the correct answer option E, the mention is of wolves whereas in the non-underlined portion the reference to "this predator" seems confusing to me.
This predator is singular and wolves is plural.
Can anybody clarify please?


Ugh -- this part is trickier, and I don't really like what the GMAT has done here. First, you don't technically need an antecedent for "this predator", since "this predator" isn't a pronoun. But the singular/plural thing is a little bit funky: the sentence would probably be a little bit better if (E) said "these predators" (to match the word "wolves") instead of "this predator."

But to be fair, I don't think that the singular/plural issue is all that much of a crime in this case. Again, "this predator" isn't a pronoun; if "this predator" were changed to "it" in (E), then the answer choice would be inarguably wrong, since "it" can't refer to "wolves." But since "this predator" isn't a pronoun, I think the GMAT would argue that there's no ambiguity here: we still easily understand what, exactly, "this predator" is. Again, I don't love it, but I see their point.

More importantly: remember that the GMAT never asks you to identify a perfect answer choice. They're asking you to identify the best of the five options. Or the least crappy of the five options. As plenty of others have suggested, there are more severe problems with the other four answer choices -- and the little singular/plural issue in (E) is pretty minor by comparison.
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I would go for 'D'.

D and E are close.

D is the winner.

E should be out because of
- using the misplaced modifier 'where' - where there is still a sizable population of wolves and where .
- using 'there', which is usually wrong in GMATland.
- Using two consecutive conjunctions 'where' and 'and'. ****I am not sure of this whether using two consecutive conjunctions is acceptable. Somebody please guide****
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Minnesota is the only one of the contiguous forty-eight states that still has a sizable wolf population, and where this predator remains the archenemy of cattle and sheep.

(A) that still has a sizable wolf population, and where
(B) that still has a sizable wolf population, where
(C) that still has a sizable population of wolves, and where
(D) where the population of wolves is still sizable;
(E) where there is still a sizable population of wolves and where

Which one is better sizable wolf population or sizable population of wolves.
Please explain the answer?


Minnesota | is the only one | of the contiguous forty-eight states | that still has a sizable wolf population, | where | this predator remains the archenemy of cattle and sheep.

The one above sounds clear and concise, I'd like to go with B. Minnesota is the subject of the sentence, and the wolf and it's population is a modifier, the last part of the sentence that deals with this predator as the archenemy of cattle and sheep is also a modifier - popularly known as the resumptive modifier. A resumptive modifier takes a word or phrase from a sentence that seems to be finished and then adds information to take the reader into a new territory of thought or idea.
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Minnesota is the only one of the contiguous forty-eight states that still has a sizable wolf population, and where this predator remains the archenemy of cattle and sheep.

(A) that still has a sizable wolf population, and where
(B) that still has a sizable wolf population, where
(C) that still has a sizable population of wolves, and where
(D) where the population of wolves is still sizable;
(E) where there is still a sizable population of wolves and where

Which one is better sizable wolf population or sizable population of wolves.
Please explain the answer?


I prefer B. Where correctly modifies Minnesota. Not comfortable with D, since the modifier where is missing. E is pretty close as well for parallelism. Also coz where (first where) correctly reflects Minnesota.
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I choose D.

"where" can modify actual places. Also, the use of the semi-colon properly separates two independent clauses. It is also the most concise.

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aiming4mba - here is an explanation why C is wrong.

In C the comma is inappropriate. It makes the clauses independent. Here the sentence should use X and Y

In E "where" keeps the parallelism correctly and also maintains the tense of X and Y
Also E is a superior parallelism compared with C.

Always go for superior parallelism.

I am stand corrected too.
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(E)

(A) that still has a sizable wolf population, and where
(B) that still has a sizable wolf population, where
(C) that still has a sizable population of wolves, and where
(D) where the population of wolves is still sizable;
(E) where there is still a sizable population of wolves and where
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Quick question, in sentences like one in the stem. That and where are modifiers right? Their functions are to replace the singular state or plural states?

Lets say, if where and that replace "states", does that mean the statement "there is a sizable of wolves" applies to all 48 states? I guess not. What's your say? Bunuel?
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Choice D woefully misses the conjunction that bridges Minnesota with the un-underlined part of the sentence, resulting in a debate as to what purpose the second part serves after separated from the main part, by a semicolon.

In B, doesn’t the pronoun where, by virtue of its placement, modify population, which is wrong?

Though wordy, by using where for both the parts of the sentence and also by employing the more customary population of wolves rather than the odd wolf population, E seems to stand out IMO


To add to this, for knocking out D, we have to understand that the semicolon in (d) separates its meaning into two unrelated sentences; i.e., the part of (d) that follows the semicolon suggests that the wolf is still the archenemy of the sheep in general. this is almost exactly the opposite of the intended meaning, which is that minnesota is the only state where that's still true!
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I had trouble in solving this question from OG10.

The reason for the trouble is, I was not able to establish parallelism between the clauses. So, I chose (C) but the correct answer is (E). Option (E) correctly establishes the parallelism between the two clauses, which start with "Where"
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