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7. Murray: You claim Senator Brandon has accepted gifts from lobbyists. You are wrong to make this criticism. That it is motivated by personal dislike is shown by the fact that you deliberately avoid criticizing other politicians who have done what you accuse Senator Brandon of doing.

Jan: You are right that I dislike Senator Brandon, but just because I have not criticized the same failing in others doesn't' mean you can excuse the senator's offense.

If Murray and Jane are both sincere in what they say, then it can properly be concluded that they agree that

(A) Senator Brandon has accepted gifts from lobbyists

(B) It is wrong for politicians to accept gifts from lobbyists

(C) Jane's criticism of Senator Brandon is motivated only by personal dislike

(D) Senator Brandon should be criticized for accepting gifts from lobbyists

(E) One or more politicians have accepted gifts from lobbyists
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06 Jan 2004, 13:00
B

Only B is the common point between Jan and Murray's argument.
Murray says, Jan does not "critize" other politicians for the same doings.
Jan says, "...you can't excuse senator's offense"

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06 Jan 2004, 14:01
what's wrong with A. both agrees to it

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06 Jan 2004, 14:03
dj, i didn't see your response before posting mine.

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06 Jan 2004, 14:13
Geethu wrote:
Why not A ?

Murray only objects to Jan's criticisim, but that does not mean the Murray also accepts that Senator Brandon has accepted gifts from lobbyists.
The argument given in the premises holds even if Murray believes that Brandon has not taken gifts.

So, I think B is the best

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06 Jan 2004, 14:16
Murray:You claim Senator Brandon has accepted gifts from lobbyists...you deliberately avoid criticizing other politicians who have done what you accuse Senator Brandon of doing.

Jan: You are right that I dislike Senator Brandon, but just because I have not criticized the same failing in others doesn't mean you can excuse the senator's offense.

Jan does not dispute that she claims Brandon has accepted gifts. She implicitly acknowledges that she made this allegation in her rebuttal.

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06 Jan 2004, 14:17
B is wrong because Murray does not claim to be opposed to accepting gifts...

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06 Jan 2004, 14:21
E could be true. But... will E be the conclusion for this argument.

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06 Jan 2004, 14:23
Hi stoolfi,

I hate you for being right. E is correct.

Anand.

Let us eliminate A and B amoung A,B and E.

You claim Senator Brandon has accepted gifts from lobbyists
Juan might just be accusing Senator Brandon becaus eof dislike
you deliberately avoid criticizing other politicians who have done what you accuse Senator Brandon of doing.

Juan might come out say.
"Well I dislike Brandon and let us assume that he has taken gifts then just because I dont accuse other senators does not mean he is right"
A can be taken out now.
B goes to extreme saying taking gifts from lobbysts is always wrong. Taking gifts is just quoted as a common action thought to have been commited by two parties in question.

This leaves us with E and it is the only statement that states commonality between the two arguments

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06 Jan 2004, 14:28
stoolfi, good job.

I see my mistake.

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31 May 2015, 13:17
(E) One or more politicians have accepted gifts from lobbyists

Jane agrees because Murray states that "[Jane] claims Senator Brandon has accepted gifts from lobbyists." Senator Brandon is one or more politicians.
Murray agrees because Murray states that "[a]void criticizing other politicians who have done . . . ." Explicitly states that other politicians have done. Done being accepting gifts.

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31 May 2015, 22:01
E
As Murray says that jane is only accusing Senator Brandon and she doesn't accuse other politicians for doing it and Jane says that it is true that she doesn't blame others
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08 Jul 2016, 12:19
anandnk wrote:
7. Murray: You claim Senator Brandon has accepted gifts from lobbyists. You are wrong to make this criticism. That it is motivated by personal dislike is shown by the fact that you deliberately avoid criticizing other politicians who have done what you accuse Senator Brandon of doing.

Jan: You are right that I dislike Senator Brandon, but just because I have not criticized the same failing in others doesn't' mean you can excuse the senator's offense.

If Murray and Jane are both sincere in what they say, then it can properly be concluded that they agree that

(A) Senator Brandon has accepted gifts from lobbyists

(B) It is wrong for politicians to accept gifts from lobbyists

(C) Jane's criticism of Senator Brandon is motivated only by personal dislike

(D) Senator Brandon should be criticized for accepting gifts from lobbyists

(E) One or more politicians have accepted gifts from lobbyists

(A) Senator Brandon has accepted gifts from lobbyists. M is saying that J claims this, but J has not accepted.

(B) It is wrong for politicians to accept gifts from lobbyists . We are not supposed to apply practical knowledge. No one says that accepting gift is wrong.

(C) Jane's criticism of Senator Brandon is motivated only by personal dislike. 'Only' is not right.

(D) Senator Brandon should be criticized for accepting gifts from lobbyists . M says that Senator should not be criticized.

(E) One or more politicians have accepted gifts from lobbyists. They both agree that other politicians have accepted the gifts.
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Murray: You claim Senator Brandon has accepted gifts from lobbyists. You are wrong to make this criticism. That it is motivated by personal dislike is shown by the fact that you deliberately avoid criticizing other politicians who have done what you accuse Senator Brandon of doing.

NOTICE HOW MURRAY DOES NOT ACTUALLY AGREES THAT SENATOR BRANDON HAS ACCEPTED GIFTS.
HE PARAPHRASES JAN BY SAYING "YOU CLAIM". AFTER THAT WHATEVER MURRAY IS SAYING IS A REPETITION OF JANE'S WORDS.
BUT THEN MURRAY ACCEPTS THAT OTHER POLITICIAN HAVE DEFINITELY TAKEN GIFTS. "the fact that you deliberately avoid criticizing other politicians who have done"
THEN MURRAY AGAIN REFUSE TO ACCEPT THAT SENATOR BRANDON HAS TAKEN GIFTS BECAUSE HE USES THE WORD "ACCUSES" WHICH MEANS FALSE ALLEGATION :-accuse Senator Brandon of doing.

Jane: You are right that I dislike Senator Brandon, but just because I have not criticized the same failing in others doesn't' mean you can excuse the senator's offense.
NOTICE HOW JAN ACCEPTS THAT HE HATES SENATOR BRANDON AND HOW JAN CLAIMS THAT POLITICIANS HAVE TAKEN GIFT. (That includes Senator Brandon and Others)

If Murray and Jane are both sincere in what they say, then it can properly be concluded that they agree that

(A) Senator Brandon has accepted gifts from lobbyists
INCORRECT : Murray never agrees that Senator brandon has taken gift from lobbyist. He says "Jan claims that senator brandon has accepted gift". Murray's thought on the subject has been not even told to the reader. He then accepts that other politician have taken gift but then again refuses to believe that senator brandon has taken gift, because he uses the word "accuse" which means attacking someone without evidence.

(B) It is wrong for politicians to accept gifts from lobbyists
WRONG:- No policy guidelines are mentioned about what is wrong or right.

(C) Jane's criticism of Senator Brandon is motivated only by personal dislike
WRONG:- ALMOST CORRECT. The use of "ONLY" makes it a extreme option. We do not know that the reason is only personal dislike. It can be one of the many reasons why Jane hate Senator Bradon

(D) Senator Brandon should be criticized for accepting gifts from lobbyists
WRONG:- Firstly:- Murray says specifically :- "Senator brandon should not be critisized ". Secondly :-No rhyme or reason is given why Senator should be critisized. No where the argument states that politician who accept gift from lobbies should be critized. For all we know accepting gift if allowed under the law currently and that Jane and Murray are having an imaginary conversation in their office about what will happen in the future if accepting gift become a bad thing.

(E) One or more politicians have accepted gifts from lobbyists
CORRECT:-
Murray says :- Mr. Jane you deliberately avoid criticizing other politicians who have done what you accuse Senator Brandon of doing. Meaning Murray is sure that other politicians have accepted gift.
Jane says:- ... It doesn't' mean you can excuse the senator's offence. Meaning Jane's is sure that Senator Brandon has accepted gift.
SO WHOMSOEVER YOU BELIEVE ATLEAST ONE OR MORE (that is logically equivalent to some) POLITICIAN HAVE TAKEN GIFTS FROM LOBBYIST.

anandnk wrote:
7. Murray: You claim Senator Brandon has accepted gifts from lobbyists. You are wrong to make this criticism. That it is motivated by personal dislike is shown by the fact that you deliberately avoid criticizing other politicians who have done what you accuse Senator Brandon of doing.

Jan: You are right that I dislike Senator Brandon, but just because I have not criticized the same failing in others doesn't' mean you can excuse the senator's offense.

If Murray and Jane are both sincere in what they say, then it can properly be concluded that they agree that

(A) Senator Brandon has accepted gifts from lobbyists

(B) It is wrong for politicians to accept gifts from lobbyists

(C) Jane's criticism of Senator Brandon is motivated only by personal dislike

(D) Senator Brandon should be criticized for accepting gifts from lobbyists

(E) One or more politicians have accepted gifts from lobbyists

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