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# No matter how patiently they explain their reasons for confiscating

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26 Jan 2010, 12:32
Kiski wrote:
I am really confused on this one. D seemed to be the correct answer ,until I noticed -> as if they were .Felt option D would have been correct,had it used as if they are.

Also someone mentioned as if is an incorrect GMAT usage.Is it really the case?

Final question - I felt "No matter how patiently they explain their reasons for confiscating certain items" applied to the customs inpectors and not the travellers.I really dont understand how the answer can be A or B. At the same time,I am unable to pick a solution out here.

pls help!..OA and explanation pls.

In GMAT if is used only for such statement.... If X then Y..... we dont use if for comparison... If X or Y.... For comparison you use whether X or Y.. in GMAT

Hence option C and D both use this ... and are Out....

Coming to option B.... we have the comparison being made 'as wanton poachers'.. this is not correct.... when comparing one to one... you should use Like and not as. For direct comparisons always use Like! Hence B is wrong...

Now we are left with A and E...

In E.... we have an issue with by travellers being placed at the wrong place which changes the entire meaning of the sentence... Hence out...

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26 Jan 2010, 21:39
jeeteshsingh,
In the first part of the sentence - "No matter how patiently they explain their reasons for confiscating certain items"

What is they referring to ?

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26 Jan 2010, 23:51
Its not a quality one ; each one has some issues. Because of modifier issues, A,B and C are out.
Issue in D is that 'they' is ambiguous and E is not parallel <not like ... but like>
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05 Feb 2010, 12:37
A is correct need to use Like followed by noun
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05 Feb 2010, 13:34
Guys - D is the one which I think is correct. Because A and B are out because of modifiers. If the modifier was correct, I would have gone with A

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23 Mar 2010, 23:48
brothers wrote:
No matter how patiently they explain their reasons for confiscating certain items, travelers often treat customs inspectors like wanton poachers rather than government employees.
(A) travelers often treat customs inspectors like wanton poachers rather than government employees
(B) travelers often treat customs inspectors as wanton poachers instead of government employees
(C) travelers often treat customs inspectors as if they were not government employees but wanton poachers
(D) customs inspectors are often treated by travelers as if they were wanton poachers rather than government employees
(E) customs inspectors are often treated not like government employees but wanton poachers by travelers

I feel like it's D since "they" refers to the customs inspectors, not the travelers.
How do we find out the correct answer?
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24 Mar 2010, 08:10
the sentence was not underlined correctly which got me confused with answer choices.

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24 Mar 2010, 08:55
all options look incorrect to me due to modifier ambiguity and wrong idiom usage ...
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28 Mar 2010, 07:27
it's D as the first half sentence refers to Custom Inspector. E can be cancelled as not....but miss the parallel structure.
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07 Apr 2010, 05:55

They refers to "customs officers", so a,b and c are out. E could be constructed better. So, its D
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08 Apr 2010, 03:45
"AS IF" considered wrong by GMAT. I've not seen this until now.

I think it is D, but E is a good option if "they" in D looks suspicious. Still, I would go for D, because there are cases when two/three 'it'--as long as they refer to the same noun--are acceptable.

Anyhow...the question is old. Here is the link to a discussion on Manhattan's website:
http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/cus ... -t277.html

the gist:

Hi Saurabh,

Answers (A) - (C) are wrong because the initial "they", in the clause preceding the comma, refers to "travelers". It makes more sense for that "they" to refer to "customs inspectors", as it does in (D) and (E).

There are several problems with (E):

i) the words "by travelers" are too far away from the verb they are intended to modify ("treated"). An adverbial modifier such as "by travelers" need not be right next to the verb it is intended to modify, but it should be close enough to be unambiguous. In answer choice (E) "by travelers" could be functioning as an adjectival modifier, describing "poachers".

ii) in the expression "not X, but Y", parallelism requires that if X starts with a preposition such as "like", Y must also start with a preposition. So, as you pointed out, the omission of "like" after "but" is a problem with (E).

iii) it is idiomatically better to say "treat as" than to say "treat like".

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14 May 2010, 07:30
Sreyag wrote:
Definitely, D.

This is because the modifier in the beginning of the sentence talks about the customs inspectors, not travellers. Therefore, choices A, B, & C are eliminated.

Between D & E, E is ruled out because "often treated not like government employees but wanton poachers by travelers" is poor sentence construction.

Hope this makes sense.

This is a very good point. D is valid.
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18 May 2010, 22:49
I would like to differ from you all ..i think it would be C rather than D ...D is a passive voice construction ...C makes the sentence more clear ...
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06 Aug 2010, 10:17
Choices A,B,C, can be eliminated immediately because of the use of the antecedent "they," which appears before the comma. In this sentence, "they" is modifying "customs inspectors" not travelers.

Reread it like this: "No matter how patiently [TRAVELERS] explain their reasons for confiscating certain items, TRAVELERS often treat customs inspectors like wanton poachers rather than government employees." Does that make sense? NO. Travelers aren’t confiscating items from themselves.

Does this make sense: "No matter how patiently [CUSTOMS INSPECTORS] explain their reasons for confiscating certain items, [THEY] are often treated… wanton poachers rather than government employees."

This makes sense also, and ultimately this construction is correct: "No matter how patiently [THEY] explain their reasons for confiscating certain items, [CUSTOMS INSPECTORS] are often treated… wanton poachers rather than government employees."

There really isn’t a way for either of choices A, B, or C to be correct. (Antecedents can be deadly.)

Choices D and E are the only viable options. Honestly, both D and E are wrong to me. But D has the least sever problem, thus it is ultimately the answer. The biggest problem with D is the use of the word “were.” Doesn’t the use of this word here break the tense rule? “… Inspectors ARE often treated by travelers as if they WERE...” This construction is problematic! “Were” seems to change the tense of the sentence here, doesn’t it?

The glaring problem with E, though, makes it incorrect. Choice E leaves out the final “like” which is necessary to completely relate the idiom – not like X…. but [like] Y. That really is the only thing wrong with choice E.

I don’t agree with the argument that treated like is idiomatically incorrect. I’d like to add some complex deep reason for why I disagree with this argument, but I don’t have one. My reasoning is really quite simple. The phrase “treated like” is used regularly by writers for New York Times, as well the Associated Press. I know we don’t all always agree with the political ideals the Times seems to represent, but I think it goes without saying that the best writers in the world write for that paper; they don’t make mistakes. Ever. Hence, my rule of thumb regarding grammar: If it’s in the Times it’s right… that’s it.
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14 Aug 2010, 03:50
though , there is modifier issue,I will go with option A.
A correctly compares using LIKE. and RATHER THAN.
B wrongly use AS and INSTEAD OF.
C wrongly use AS IF and BUT.
D wrongly use AS IF and RATHER THAN.
E BY TRAVELLERS is misplaced
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22 Aug 2010, 12:35
its A for me.

correct usage if - 'like' followed by noun - wanton poachers.

usage of as - wrong.

Options D and E - passive voice. should be avoided

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25 Aug 2010, 19:03
should be D
rather than is an appropriate use
traveler- pronouns
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23 Dec 2010, 10:52
brothers wrote:
No matter how patiently they explain their reasons for confiscating certain items, travelers often treat customs inspectors like wanton poachers rather than government employees.
(A) travelers often treat customs inspectors like wanton poachers rather than government employees
(B) travelers often treat customs inspectors as wanton poachers instead of government employees
(C) travelers often treat customs inspectors as if they were not government employees but wanton poachers
(D) customs inspectors are often treated by travelers as if they were wanton poachers rather than government employees
(E) customs inspectors are often treated not like government employees but wanton poachers by travelers

In my opinion,the best option among the five would be D.

My analysis is that the first line is supposed to modify customs inspectors,hence A,B and C are cleared.
In between D and E, D is better as E has some confusion in the parallel nature of the clause "not like government employees but like wanton poachers" -Missing the like in the comparison. D has some confusion with what the "they" is referring to, but it is the best option in the answer choices.

Hope it helps !
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03 Mar 2011, 00:33
Here is the reason. A modifier must be as close to what it's modifying! In this case the customs inspectors should come right after the coma. That makes A, B & C Wrong. Between D & E, D uses "if they were" to compare things. Use Like to compare similar things and "such as" for giving examples. Secondly, "If" is used for hypothetical scenarios.
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05 Mar 2011, 04:01
question's not udnerlined properly

http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/custom-officers-t277.html
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