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Could someone explain the usage of Present perfect tense
Of all the vast tides of migration that have swept through history .

Why not Of all the vast tides of migration that swept through history ?


Present perfect is used to denote a continued action (as in this sentence) or its continued effect.


Thanks dentobizz / waterflowsup for the prompt reply :)
@ waterflowsup .. You are right and I had no intent to do so. That was just for my understanding and not for questioning official question . I know that is blasphemy :oops:

So I understand now that the action is ongoing so Present Perfect .

I posted so to cross check whether Past perfect was used here by any chance for action in past with some unknown time.
for e.g. I have visited the US . ( some time in past ) vs
I visited the US in 2012 ( action in past at definite time )
So I thought on those lines .

Anyways that seems not the case here .
Thnx again for the reply :)
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Of all the vast tides of migration that have swept through history, maybe none is more concentrated as the wave that brought 12 million immigrants onto American shores in little more than three decades.
(A) maybe none is more concentrated as
(B) it may be that none is more concentrated as
(C) perhaps it is none that is more concentrated than
(D) maybe it is none that was more concentrated than
(E) perhaps none was more concentrated than

My answer was (C). Now I understand "it is none" is slightly wordy but what's wrong with the tense? The first part of the sentence has a present perfect tense, and describes all the tides from a distant past till the the present time. So by that logic shouldn't it convey the meaning that until now no wave is more concentrated than the wave ... Then why wouldn't (C) be the correct choice?

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I think the answer is E

My logic- As the sentence is talking about a wave that happened in the past, so you have to use past tense to signify the change in tone.

See example maybe this helps:
Of all of Maroon5 performances, none was as memorable as the one performed at the Emmy's. ( Correct tense usage)
Of all the Maroon 5 performances none is as memorable as the one performed as the Emmy's ( Sounds weird, right ?)

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you could pick the right answer considering only the vern tense "was"

the event happens in the past, completely. So the other answer choices that use the verb in the present tense "is" are wrong

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Yup all I looked at when I did this question for the first time (it's in the OG of course) was the tense. Did a split using the tense and went with E as the answer. Would never go with C. Apart from the incorrect tense it is also verbose - 'it is none that is'.
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My answer was (C). Now I understand "it is none" is slightly wordy but what's wrong with the tense? The first part of the sentence has a present perfect tense, and describes all the tides from a distant past till the the present time. So by that logic shouldn't it convey the meaning that until now no wave is more concentrated than the wave ... Then why wouldn't (C) be the correct choice?


Yeah, that "it is none" phrase should have been a major red flag for you. "It" doesn't have a clear referent and you won't see the GMAT use that phrasing in a correct answer.

I can see how you might be getting confused with the verb tense. The present perfect is used not to show that each wave is still "currently" sweeping, but rather the present perfect is used to show that waves of migration continue to "sweep" through history. The wave that is discussed in this question has come and gone, so we use the past tense to describe that wave.

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I adopted this way to eliminate wrong choices.

A, B --> out as 'more ... as' is an incorrect idiom
C,D --> out as 'it' introduces discrepancy & awkward style

and finally picked 'E' in 25seconds :twisted:
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First split : More than vs More as : A,B out.
It is none : No one is such ( All tides have swept ---> context wise in history, thus present tense is not required).
None was : No one was ( Yes thats a right pointer to the past tides)
C and D out.

Answer is E.
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My answer was (C). Now I understand "it is none" is slightly wordy but what's wrong with the tense? The first part of the sentence has a present perfect tense, and describes all the tides from a distant past till the the present time. So by that logic shouldn't it convey the meaning that until now no wave is more concentrated than the wave ... Then why wouldn't (C) be the correct choice?


Yeah, that "it is none" phrase should have been a major red flag for you. "It" doesn't have a clear referent and you won't see the GMAT use that phrasing in a correct answer.

I can see how you might be getting confused with the verb tense. The present perfect is used not to show that each wave is still "currently" sweeping, but rather the present perfect is used to show that waves of migration continue to "sweep" through history. The wave that is discussed in this question has come and gone, so we use the past tense to describe that wave.

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Kyle or E-GMAT or Mike or anyone,

Please clarify my question/concept.

Present tense is used to describe a fact that is current in the present or is used to describe a general habit/practice.

For example, if the sentence reads - "No other wave is more concentrated than the wave that brought 12 million immigrants to shore"

So there was a wave that brought 12 million immigrants and that wave completed its action. But till now no other wave is more more concentrated ( (a fact that is still current in the present) than the wave in the past (the one that brought 12 million immigrants)

I have major confusion in past tense/present tense concepts. So Please clarify my understanding. I will highly appreciate it.

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For example, if the sentence reads - "No other wave is more concentrated than the wave that brought 12 million immigrants to shore"

So there was a wave that brought 12 million immigrants and that wave completed its action.

That's the issue. The moment you say: No other wave is more concentrated, it does not mean there was a wave. It means: there is a wave, which is obviously incorrect, because the wave clearly does not exist any more; it started and finished in the past, and hence, the use of simple past is most suitable.

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But till now no other wave is more more concentrated ( (a fact that is still current in the present) than the wave in the past (the one that brought 12 million immigrants)

Yes, and the use of present perfect: Of all the vast tides of migration that have swept through history in the sentence is making it clear that till now no wave has even been more concentrated.
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This sentence depends on the comparative structure x is more than y. Here, an idiomatically incorrect construction x (none) is more as y (the
wave) is used. In addition, the second part of the sentence uses the past tense verb brought, indicating that the event is over. The verb used in
the comparative construction must also be past tense, x (none) was more concentrated than y (the wave). Maybe and perhaps are interchangeable;
perhaps is slightly more formal.

C It is none that is more … is wordy; also, in this
context, it must refer to something (unlike in
phrases such as “it is clear that …”), yet it
does not plausibly refer to anything.
D As in (C), it is none that was more … is
wordy; it must refer to something, yet it
does not plausibly refer to anything.
ECorrect. The correct comparative
construction is used in this sentence; the
verb is past tense.
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past tense is required because of the verb "bought"
Meaning=> of all the tides of migration, none was more concentrated than a particular wave ( that bought 12 million immigrants)
error: tense and more as (comparison)
A,B=> tense issue and more than is correct
C,D wordy, tense issue

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More should always be accompanied by than if we are comparing something. Hence we can eliminate options A and B.
In C and D, "it" has no clear antecedent.

Talking about tenses, a present tense should not be used for a past event with the exception of a universal phenomenon

Correct Option: E
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Of all the vast tides of migration that have swept through history, maybe none is more concentrated as the wave that brought 12 million immigrants onto
American shores in little more than three decades.

(A) maybe none is more concentrated as
(B) it may be that none is more concentrated as
(C) perhaps it is none that is more concentrated
than
(D) maybe it is none that was more concentrated
than
(E) perhaps none was more concentrated than



idiom:'more..... than......', not 'more... as....' is correct
but are we comparing anthing here?


A is wrong because of the reason mentioned
B is wrong same reason
C is wrong because it is wordy than the correct answer(E)
D more wordy than correct answer
E Correct answer.

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Of all the vast tides of migration that have swept
through history, maybe none is more concentrated as
the wave that brought 12 million immigrants onto
American shores in little more than three decades.
(A) maybe none is more concentrated as
(B) it may be that none is more concentrated as
(C) perhaps it is none that is more concentrated
than
(D) maybe it is none that was more concentrated
than
(E) perhaps none was more concentrated than

What is wrong with choice (d)? thx!


A The "more... as" phrase is incorrect.
B The "more... as" phrase is incorrect.
C "It" is ambiguous and the entire phrase is awkward, indirect, and wordy. Also past tense is needed here.
D Ditto the above.
E Correct

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Of all the vast tides of migration that have swept through history, maybe none is more concentrated as the wave that brought 12 million immigrants onto
American shores in little more than three decades.

(A) maybe none is more concentrated as
(B) it may be that none is more concentrated as
(C) perhaps it is none that is more concentrated
than
(D) maybe it is none that was more concentrated
than
(E) perhaps none was more concentrated than

Hi All,

Can some one please explain me if option E was as below-

perhaps none is more concentrated than

would this still have been a correct answer

question that i want to ask here is "do we necessarily need a past tense here ?"

if yes, then i think it is because " tides are being compared with wave that in turn is modified by a relative clause "that brought 12 million immigrants onto American shores", which is in past tense.

am i correct here ? or the reason is something else

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Can some one please explain me if option E was as below-

perhaps none is more concentrated than

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GTExl wrote:
Can some one please explain me if option E was as below-

perhaps none is more concentrated than

would this still have been a correct answer

Hi GTExl, you might want to look at my reply here.



Thanks EducationAisle,

you cleared my doubt.
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Deepro wrote:
My answer was (C). Now I understand "it is none" is slightly wordy but what's wrong with the tense? The first part of the sentence has a present perfect tense, and describes all the tides from a distant past till the the present time. So by that logic shouldn't it convey the meaning that until now no wave is more concentrated than the wave ... Then why wouldn't (C) be the correct choice?


Yeah, that "it is none" phrase should have been a major red flag for you. "It" doesn't have a clear referent and you won't see the GMAT use that phrasing in a correct answer.

I can see how you might be getting confused with the verb tense. The present perfect is used not to show that each wave is still "currently" sweeping, but rather the present perfect is used to show that waves of migration continue to "sweep" through history. The wave that is discussed in this question has come and gone, so we use the past tense to describe that wave.

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Hello KyleWiddison, mikemcgarry, and GMATNinja

How will you define and differentiate between a fact and a past event? Can we use present tense for a past event that is a fact?

Thanks

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