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On a certain road 10 percent of the motorists exceed the posted speed limit and receive speeding tickets, but 20 percent of the motorists who exceed the posted speed limit do not receive speeding tickets. What percent of the motorists on the road exceed the posted speed limit?

(A) 10 1/2%
(B) 12 1/2%
(C) 15%
(D) 22%
(E) 30%

It is an old OG problem that has not been explained clearly before. Please provide a detailed solution to the problem.

On another note, I notice that the overlapping sets are very often tested in this fairly confusing way, where I personally feel I am unable to use the grid advocated by MGMAT or Venn Diagram for that matter. I'm wasting plenty of time on setting it up. Any other methods you guys suggest to solve these? Or should I just "think better":)

Since this is the last problem of the set I presume it to be a 700+ level question, but it seems to me that in general GMAT is much harder these days that it was 10 years ago, so I'd guess it is hardly a 650 level today. Share your thoughts.
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On a certain road 10 percent of the motorists exceed the posted speed limit and receive speeding tickets, but 20 percent of the motorists who exceed the posted speed limit do not receive speeding tickets. What percent of the motorists on the road exceed the posted speed limit?

(A) 10 1/2%
(B) 12 1/2%
(C) 15%
(D) 22%
(E) 30%

It is an old OG problem that has not been explained clearly before. Please provide a detailed solution to the problem.

On another note, I notice that the overlapping sets are very often tested in this fairly confusing way, where I personally feel I am unable to use the grid advocated by MGMAT or Venn Diagram for that matter. I'm wasting plenty of time on setting it up. Any other methods you guys suggest to solve these? Or should I just "think better":)

Since this is the last problem of the set I presume it to be a 700+ level question, but it seems to me that in general GMAT is much harder these days that it was 10 years ago, so I'd guess it is hardly a 650 level today. Share your thoughts.


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On a certain road 10 percent of the motorists exceed the posted speed limit and receive speeding tickets, but 20 percent of the motorists who exceed the posted speed limit do not receive speeding tickets. What percent of the motorists on the road exceed the posted speed limit?

(A) 10 1/2%
(B) 12 1/2%
(C) 15%
(D) 22%
(E) 30%


I don't know whether it's just me, but I find the wording of this question to be horrible. I actually got it right and came to 12,5%. Nevertheless, at least from my understanding the question looks for something completely different, namely - ''What percent of the motorists on the road exceed the posted speed limit?". So the question is rather looking for a comparison between motorists that exceed the limit and such that don't. Here we rather compare those that got tickets to the ones that didn't.

Am I the only one with this doubt or is it a way that exam makers want to confuse you?

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On a certain road 10 percent of the motorists exceed the posted speed limit and receive speeding tickets, but 20 percent of the motorists who exceed the posted speed limit do not receive speeding tickets. What percent of the motorists on the road exceed the posted speed limit?

(A) 10 1/2%
(B) 12 1/2%
(C) 15%
(D) 22%
(E) 30%


I don't know whether it's just me, but I find the wording of this question to be horrible. I actually got it right and came to 12,5%. Nevertheless, at least from my understanding the question looks for something completely different, namely - ''What percent of the motorists on the road exceed the posted speed limit?". So the question is rather looking for a comparison between motorists that exceed the limit and such that don't. Here we rather compare those that got tickets to the ones that didn't.

Am I the only one with this doubt or is it a way that exam makers what to confuse you?

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The question is fine.

Some fraction of the motorists exceed the speed limit. Say x%. We need to find x%.

Some of these x% motorists get speeding tickets (say y%) and others do not. Anyone who gets a speeding ticket (belongs to y%) must belong to these x%.

You are given that y% of x% of Total motorists = 10% of Total motorists (people who exceed the limit and get tickets)

Also, 20% of x% do not get tickets. This means 80% of x% do get tickets.

This 80% of x% of Total= 10% of Total (we are already given)

So x% of Total = 12.5% of Total
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On a certain road 10 percent of the motorists exceed the posted speed limit and receive speeding tickets, but 20 percent of the motorists who exceed the posted speed limit do not receive speeding tickets. What percent of the motorists on the road exceed the posted speed limit?

(A) 10 1/2%
(B) 12 1/2%
(C) 15%
(D) 22%
(E) 30%


I don't know whether it's just me, but I find the wording of this question to be horrible. I actually got it right and came to 12,5%. Nevertheless, at least from my understanding the question looks for something completely different, namely - ''What percent of the motorists on the road exceed the posted speed limit?". So the question is rather looking for a comparison between motorists that exceed the limit and such that don't. Here we rather compare those that got tickets to the ones that didn't.

Am I the only one with this doubt or is it a way that exam makers what to confuse you?

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The question is fine.

Some fraction of the motorists exceed the speed limit. Say x%. We need to find x%.

Some of these x% motorists get speeding tickets (say y%) and others do not. Anyone who gets a speeding ticket (belongs to y%) must belong to these x%.

You are given that y% of x% of Total motorists = 10% of Total motorists (people who exceed the limit and get tickets)

Also, 20% of x% do not get tickets. This means 80% of x% do get tickets.

This 80% of x% of Total= 10% of Total (we are already given)

So x% of Total = 12.5% of Total


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I would agree with bgpower , the language is extremely confusing (at least to me)- the questions asks for "What percent of the motorists on the road exceed the posted speed limit?" In my opinion, the question suggests that it is asking about the percent of motorists, who exceed the speed limit regardless of who was named on the ticket and who wasn't. I mean some people won't pay fine but they did in fact still exceeded the speed limit. How to deal with such confusions? Wouldn't it be better formulated question had it asked about the percentage of motorist who received a ticket.

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On a certain road 10% of the motorists exceed the posted speed limit and receive speeding tickets, but 20% of the motorists who exceed the posted speed limit do not receive speeding tickets. What percent of the motorists on the road exceed the posted speed limit?

A. 10.5%
B. 12.5%
C. 15%
D. 22%
E. 30%


We can use the Double Matrix Method to solve this question.

This technique can be used for most questions featuring a population in which each member has two characteristics associated with it.

Here, we have a population of motorists, and the two characteristics are:
- speeder (S) or non-speeder (~S)
- get ticket (T) or not get ticket (~T)

Since this question concerns percents (instead of actual values), let's assign a "nice" value to the total number of motorists in this population. Let's say there are 100 motorists.

So, to begin, our matrix looks like this.
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10 percent of the motorists exceed the posted speed limit and receive speeding tickets
The top left box is for motorists who speed and receive speeding tickets. So, 10% of the entire population will be in this box.
Image

20 percent of the motorists who exceed the posted speed limit do not receive speeding tickets.
The motorists referred to here are those who go in the top right box. Unfortunately, we don't know the total number of speeders, so we can't find 20% of that value.
So, let's let x = the total number of speeders.
Image

Now we can deal with this: 20 percent of the motorists who exceed the posted speed limit do not receive speeding tickets.
In other words, 20% of x will go in the top right box.
Image

At this point, we know that the sum of the top 2 boxes is x.
So, we can write: 10 + 0.2x = x (now solve)
Arrange: 10 = 0.8x
Divide: 10/0.8 = x
12.5 = x

Since x represents the total number of speeders, we know that 12.5 out of 100 motorists speed.
In other words, 12.5% of motorists speed.
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On a certain road 10 percent of the motorists exceed the posted speed limit and receive speeding tickets, but 20 percent of the motorists who exceed the posted speed limit do not receive speeding tickets. What percent of the motorists on the road exceed the posted speed limit?
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On a certain road 10 percent of the motorists exceed the posted speed limit and receive speeding tickets, but 20 percent of the motorists who exceed the posted speed limit do not receive speeding tickets. What percent of the motorists on the road exceed the posted speed limit?
(A) 10,5%
(B) 12,5%
(C) 15%
(D) 22%
(E) 30%



Hi,

Although this must have been already discussed, but since you want a way to go about such Qs..

Let the overall 100% be 100...
So 10 exceed limit and get speeding ticket.

Now 20% exceed limit and do not get speeding ticket, MEANS remaining (100-20)% get speeding ticket..

The above info tells us that 80% of total exceeding limit=10..
So TOTAL= \(\frac{10*100}{80}\)= 12.5%

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On a certain road 10 percent of the motorists exceed the posted speed limit and receive speeding tickets, but 20 percent of the motorists who exceed the posted speed limit do not receive speeding tickets. What percent of the motorists on the road exceed the posted speed limit?
(A) 10,5%
(B) 12,5%
(C) 15%
(D) 22%
(E) 30%


We can also use the Double Matrix Method to solve this question.

This technique can be used for most questions featuring a population in which each member has two characteristics associated with it.
Here, we have a population of motorists, and the two characteristics are:
- speeder (S) or non-speeder (~S)
- get ticket (T) or not get ticket (~T)

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Since this question concerns percents (instead of actual values), let's assign a "nice" value to the total number of motorists in this population. Let's say there are 100 motorists.

So, to begin, our matrix looks like this.
Image

10 percent of the motorists exceed the posted speed limit and receive speeding tickets
The top left box is for motorists who speed and receive speeding tickets. So, 10% of the entire population will be in this box.
Image

20 percent of the motorists who exceed the posted speed limit do not receive speeding tickets.
The motorists referred to here are those who go in the top right box. Unfortunately, we don't know the total number of speeders, so we can't find 20% of that value.
So, let's let x = the total number of speeders.
Image

Now we can deal with this: 20 percent of the motorists who exceed the posted speed limit do not receive speeding tickets.
In other words, 20% of x will go in the top right box.
Image

At this point, we know that the sum of the top 2 boxes is x.
So, we can write: 10 + 0.2x = x (now solve)
Arrange: 10 = 0.8x
Divide: 10/0.8 = x
12.5 = x

Since x represents the total number of speeders, we know that 12.5 out of 100 motorists speed.
In other words, 12.5% of motorists speed.
Answer: B


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On a certain road 10 percent of the motorists exceed the posted speed limit and receive speeding tickets, but 20 percent of the motorists who exceed the posted speed limit do not receive speeding tickets. What percent of the motorists on the road exceed the posted speed limit?
(A) 10,5%
(B) 12,5%
(C) 15%
(D) 22%
(E) 30%


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