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Once they had seen the report from the medical examiner, the investigators did not doubt whether the body recovered from the river was the man who had attempted to escape from the state prison.

(A) did not doubt whether the body recovered from the river was
(8) have no doubt whether the body recovered from the river was
(C) had not doubted that the body recovered from the river was
(D) have no doubt whether the body recovered from the river was that of
(E) had no doubt that the body recovered from the river was that of
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01 Mar 2011, 09:45
The split is 3:2 a,b,c or c,d
first of all you have to find "those" or "that". The reason is the body was not the man. The body was "that" of the man. That said a,b,c gone.

C uses "have" which is definitely a tense problem. E remains. This is without getting into past perfect issue.

Your other question is - My thinking is that "had seen" would indicate something which started in past to end before another event in past. Then the event following this should be with a simple past tense.

On the time line "seen" is before "recovered". First they saw the body, recovered the body, investigated the body. This is sequence of the events. But I think you were trying to sequence "had seen" and "had doubt". If you take a closer look it not "had doubted" its "had doubt". So this sequencing is wrong.

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Folks can someone help me out with the following question from OG 12.

Once they had seen the report from the medical
examiner, the investigators did not doubt whether
the body recovered from the river was the man who
had attempted to escape from the state prison.
(A) did not doubt whether the body recovered from
the river was
(8) have no doubt whether the body recovered
from the river was
(C) had not doubted that the body recovered from
the river was
(D) have no doubt whether the body recovered
from the river was that of
(E) had no doubt that the body recovered from the
river was that of

The correct answer is mentioned as E but I thought it to be A. My thinking is that "had seen" would indicate something which started in past to end before another event in past. Then the event following this should be with a simple past tense.

But going with the OG answer, it would mean that the following event will also be past perfect. Any clarifications?
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01 Mar 2011, 10:06
that is fairly simple. the answer has to be E
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02 Mar 2011, 08:50
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The split is 3:2 a,b,c or c,d
first of all you have to find "those" or "that". The reason is the body was not the man. The body was "that" of the man. That said a,b,c gone.

C uses "have" which is definitely a tense problem. E remains. This is without getting into past perfect issue.

Your other question is - My thinking is that "had seen" would indicate something which started in past to end before another event in past. Then the event following this should be with a simple past tense.

On the time line "seen" is before "recovered". First they saw the body, recovered the body, investigated the body. This is sequence of the events. But I think you were trying to sequence "had seen" and "had doubt". If you take a closer look it not "had doubted" its "had doubt". So this sequencing is wrong.

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Folks can someone help me out with the following question from OG 12.

Once they had seen the report from the medical
examiner, the investigators did not doubt whether
the body recovered from the river was the man who
had attempted to escape from the state prison.
(A) did not doubt whether the body recovered from
the river was
(8) have no doubt whether the body recovered
from the river was
(C) had not doubted that the body recovered from
the river was
(D) have no doubt whether the body recovered
from the river was that of
(E) had no doubt that the body recovered from the
river was that of

The correct answer is mentioned as E but I thought it to be A. My thinking is that "had seen" would indicate something which started in past to end before another event in past. Then the event following this should be with a simple past tense.

But going with the OG answer, it would mean that the following event will also be past perfect. Any clarifications?

1. A body cannot man so that of required.
2. simple past of have i.e, had is required.
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02 Mar 2011, 09:26
(A) is simple present
(B) & (D) present perfect

is that right guys?
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03 Mar 2011, 07:02
Thanks a lot guys for a quick response. Gives some clarity
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03 Mar 2011, 07:15
Friends.....caught with the below mentioned SC's.

1. Defense attorneys have occasionally argued that their clients' misconduct stemmed from a reaction to something ingested, but in attributing criminal or delinguent behavior to some food allergy, the perpetrators are in effect told that they are not responsible for their actions.

a) in attributing criminal or delinguent behavior to some food allergy
b) if criminal or delinquent behavior is attributed to an allergy to some food,
c) in attributing behavior that is criminal or delinquent to an allergy to some food,
d) if some food allergy is attributed as the cause of criminal or delinquent behavior,
e) in attributing a food allergy as the cause of criminal or delinquent behavior,

2. Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were last year. A) Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about$5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were
(B) Heating-oil prices are expected to rise higher
this year over last because refiners pay about
$5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did (C) Expectations are for heating-oil prices to be higher this year than last year's because refiners are paying about$5 a barrel for crude oil more
than they did
(D) It is the expectation that heating-oil prices will be
higher for this year over last because refiners
are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil now than what they were (E) It is expected that heating-oil prices will rise higher this year than last year's because refiners pay about$5 a barrel for crude oil more than
they did
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03 Mar 2011, 08:07
the first one was straight forward . anyone will answer E
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03 Mar 2011, 08:28
in the second question , i am confused between B and D , A ,C and E are clear cases of misplaced modifiers and probably 'in attributing' is unidiomatic too.

i chose D but the OA if B. D has an awkward construction , but i need further clarification .
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Folks can someone help me out with the following question from OG 12.

Once they had seen the report from the medical
examiner, the investigators did not doubt whether
the body recovered from the river was the man who
had attempted to escape from the state prison.
(A) did not doubt whether the body recovered from
the river was
(8) have no doubt whether the body recovered
from the river was
(C) had not doubted that the body recovered from
the river was
(D) have no doubt whether the body recovered
from the river was that of
(E) had no doubt that the body recovered from the
river was that of

The correct answer is mentioned as E but I thought it to be A. My thinking is that "had seen" would indicate something which started in past to end before another event in past. Then the event following this should be with a simple past tense.

But going with the OG answer, it would mean that the following event will also be past perfect. Any clarifications?

Please try to format the question by underlining. This helps people a lot in getting accurate timing info. Also, please try to keep the mention of correct answer a bit down in the post, so that people dont accidently read the OA while perusing the options. thanks !
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04 Mar 2011, 04:05
The correct answer for the first question is given as B!! and for the second one is A. For the 2nd it is mentioned as A. I could not follow the explanation provided in OG12 for these answer.
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The sequence here according to me is

1. seeing the body – first act – so past perfect 'had seen' is necessary
2. Having no doubt – the second act- hence simple past is needed- 'had no doubt' is used in the sense of 'possessed no doubt'. – 'had' is used as the simple past of 'have'

So E is ok in the use of appropriate tenses.
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11 Sep 2011, 22:24
Once they had seen the report from the medical
examiner, the investigators did not doubt whether
the body recovered from the river was
the man who
had attempted to escape from the state prison.
(A) did not doubt whether the body recovered from
the river was
(8) have no doubt whether the body recovered
from the river was
(C) had not doubted that the body recovered from
the river was
(D) have no doubt whether the body recovered
from the river was that of
(E) had no doubt that the body recovered from the
river was that of

(F) did not doubt that the body recovered from the
river was that of

Now is (E) better or (F)?
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11 Sep 2011, 22:56
E is the best of all, concise and clearly indicating the sequence of events!
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12 Sep 2011, 01:12
An answer to you question is --- > Whether is used when we have two cases contrasting each other.

Here, there is just a single idea in the second part of the sentence "that the body recovered from the river was that of the man who had attempted to escape from the state prison. "

If the sentence would have been "whether the body recovered from the river was that of the man who had attempted to escape from the state prison or that of any other person"

then we would have used "whether" here.
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12 Sep 2011, 07:21
Thanks Izvos for the reply and I agree with your point on usage of whether but my question is -

If had in option E is just simple past for have then will did work in this case -

Once they had seen the report from the medical examiner, the investigators did not doubt that the body recovered from the river was that of the man who had attempted to escape from the state prison.

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