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New post 03 Mar 2011, 08:28
in the second question , i am confused between B and D , A ,C and E are clear cases of misplaced modifiers and probably 'in attributing' is unidiomatic too.

i chose D but the OA if B. D has an awkward construction , but i need further clarification .
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Folks can someone help me out with the following question from OG 12.

Once they had seen the report from the medical
examiner, the investigators did not doubt whether
the body recovered from the river was the man who
had attempted to escape from the state prison.
(A) did not doubt whether the body recovered from
the river was
(8) have no doubt whether the body recovered
from the river was
(C) had not doubted that the body recovered from
the river was
(D) have no doubt whether the body recovered
from the river was that of
(E) had no doubt that the body recovered from the
river was that of


The correct answer is mentioned as E but I thought it to be A. My thinking is that "had seen" would indicate something which started in past to end before another event in past. Then the event following this should be with a simple past tense.

But going with the OG answer, it would mean that the following event will also be past perfect. Any clarifications?



Please try to format the question by underlining. This helps people a lot in getting accurate timing info. Also, please try to keep the mention of correct answer a bit down in the post, so that people dont accidently read the OA while perusing the options. thanks !
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The correct answer for the first question is given as B!! and for the second one is A. For the 2nd it is mentioned as A. I could not follow the explanation provided in OG12 for these answer.

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The sequence here according to me is

1. seeing the body – first act – so past perfect 'had seen' is necessary
2. Having no doubt – the second act- hence simple past is needed- 'had no doubt' is used in the sense of 'possessed no doubt'. – 'had' is used as the simple past of 'have'

So E is ok in the use of appropriate tenses.
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During the question I was trying to match PAST PERFECT to SIMPLE PAST. I picked A originally since "did not doubt" sounded like SIMPLE PAST tense to me. I couldn't understand why E was correct. This was bothering me all morning until I realized that I incorrectly thought "had no doubt" was in PAST PERFECT tense. In fact it is in SIMPLE PAST tense. Everytime I see "had" my mind thinks past perfect.
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+1 E

The body is not the man himself. It is the body OF the man.
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E for me.

I have a question. Can the word "doubt" and "whether" be used in the same sentence, If so than can anyone frame such a grammatically correct sentence?

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Once they had seen the report from the medical
examiner, the investigators did not doubt whether
the body recovered from the river was
the man who
had attempted to escape from the state prison.
(A) did not doubt whether the body recovered from
the river was
(8) have no doubt whether the body recovered
from the river was
(C) had not doubted that the body recovered from
the river was
(D) have no doubt whether the body recovered
from the river was that of
(E) had no doubt that the body recovered from the
river was that of

I add another option -

(F) did not doubt that the body recovered from the
river was that of

Now is (E) better or (F)?
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E is the best of all, concise and clearly indicating the sequence of events!
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An answer to you question is --- > Whether is used when we have two cases contrasting each other.

Here, there is just a single idea in the second part of the sentence "that the body recovered from the river was that of the man who had attempted to escape from the state prison. "

If the sentence would have been "whether the body recovered from the river was that of the man who had attempted to escape from the state prison or that of any other person"

then we would have used "whether" here.

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Thanks Izvos for the reply and I agree with your point on usage of whether but my question is -

If had in option E is just simple past for have then will did work in this case -

Once they had seen the report from the medical examiner, the investigators did not doubt that the body recovered from the river was that of the man who had attempted to escape from the state prison.

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Once they had seen the report from the medical examiner, the investigators did not doubt whether the body recovered from the river was the man who had attempted to escape from the state prison.

(A) did not doubt whether the body recovered from the river was
(B) have no doubt whether the body recovered from the river was
(C) had not doubted that the body recovered from the river was
(D) have no doubt whether the body recovered from the river was that of
(E) had no doubt that the body recovered from the river was that of


Issues -

1. Tense, which is wrong in B and D, should be in past form as in A, C and E.
2. Mood/Logic - "the body ........... was man" in A, B and C is in passive and illogical. "The body ........... was of the man" in D and E correct.
3. Stress/Emphasis - To express/emphasize something strongly, "verb + no" is more appropriate than "verb + not".

Considering these, E is the winner.

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Yes.
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Once they had seen the report from the medical examiner, the investigators did not doubt whether the body recovered from the river was the man who had attempted to escape from the state prison.

(A) did not doubt whether the body recovered from the river was
(B) have no doubt whether the body recovered from the river was
(C) had not doubted that the body recovered from the river was
(D) have no doubt whether the body recovered from the river was that of
(E) had no doubt that the body recovered from the river was that of


The question revolves around tenses, meaning.
As the veb in non-underlined part is past perfect, underlined part needs a simple past tense verb that acts as reference.
A - correct tense. A body can't be a man, a body is of a man. incorrect
B - have - wrong tense. body was man error
C - had not doubted? wrong tense. body was man error.
D - have no doubt - wrong tense, totally. body was that of man - correct
E - had no doubt - correct tense. body that of man - correct :)
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also, doubt in a negative statement should be used with that
I don't doubt that I will succeed - correct
I don't doubt whether I will succeed - incorrect
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pierrealexandre77 wrote:
Once they had seen the report from the medical examiner, the investigators did not doubt whether the body recovered from the river was the man who had attempted to escape from the state prison.

(A) did not doubt whether the body recovered from the river was
(B) have no doubt whether the body recovered from the river was
(C) had not doubted that the body recovered from the river was
(D) have no doubt whether the body recovered from the river was that of
(E) had no doubt that the body recovered from the river was that of

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I chose A. Could someone explain me what's wrong with A?
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E wins. A is wrong because "Body" cannot be "the man". Wrong comparison. E clears that problem.

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why does everyone keep saying the usage of "that of the man" is because of a comparison?

I don't see any comparison signals. In fact, it is saying the "body was the man", or "body was that of the man" . wouldn't this fall under equality, logic, or meaning?

the mgmat guide on comparisons shows nothing about "was"

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Past Perfect is needed. Between C and E: Comparison. E

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dead body cannot be a man...so E is correct
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A has 2 problems

1) DID NOT DOUBT should be HAD NO DOUBTS
because if you notice the start of the sentence,it says "ONCE THEY BALH BLAH BLAH" which means when they started off with the experiment,tthey had some doubts whch got resolved when they BLAH BLAH BLAH...this EFFECT is not represented as well by DID NOT DOUBT as by HAD NO DOUBTS

2) "BODY RECOVERED WAS" THE MAN
new found BODY is being compared with MAN when actually
new found BODY should be compared with THE BODY OF THE MAN..

Succinct and Best Explanation...

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E for me as well. Comparison and tense

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