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Can some one explain the correct grammar rule behind this please?
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Once they had seen the report from the medical examiner, the investigators did not doubt whether the body recovered from the river was the man who had attempted to escape from the state prison

Is the sentence above correct then?
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+1 for E

the body couldn't possibly the man...
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Hi,

Just a basic question . The Sentence structure is Once X had (Past perfect)Y Happened (Past tense). Is "Had no Doubt" is a past tense or perfect tense?

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Hi Nitin, "had" is simple past tense when it is not followed by a verb. For past perfect, "had" should be followed by a verb. For example, "had doubted" would be past perfect tense.

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why does everyone keep saying the usage of "that of the man" is because of a comparison?

I don't see any comparison signals. In fact, it is saying the "body was the man", or "body was that of the man" . wouldn't this fall under equality, logic, or meaning?

the mgmat guide on comparisons shows nothing about "was"

But don't we say: Body of a person was found lying in the pool.

Similarly, we can say: Body recovered was that (body) of a person who disappeared couple of days back.

Of course, following would also be correct:

Body recovered was of a person who disappeared couple of days back.

Here that/body is implied.
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Once they had seen the report from the medical examiner, the investigators did not doubt whether the body recovered from the river was the man who had attempted to escape from the state prison.

(A) did not doubt whether the body recovered from the river was
(B) have no doubt whether the body recovered from the river was
(C) had not doubted that the body recovered from the river was
(D) have no doubt whether the body recovered from the river was that of
(E) had no doubt that the body recovered from the river was that of

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I chose A. Could someone explain me what's wrong with A?
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The body .... was the man ! this's even nonsensical. It should be "the body .... was that of .."
A,B and C are out.
At the beginning of the sentence it says " Once they had seen that indicate that there is something happened before a simple past event. So, we need to use a simple past to make sense of the prompt.
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Once they had seen the report from the medical examiner, the investigators did not doubt whether the body recovered from the river was the man who had attempted to escape from the state prison.

(A) did not doubt whether the body recovered from the river was
(8) have no doubt whether the body recovered from the river was
(C) had not doubted that the body recovered from the river was
(D) have no doubt whether the body recovered from the river was that of
(E) had no doubt that the body recovered from the river was that of
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Once they had seen the report from the medical examiner, the investigators did not doubt whether the body recovered from the river was the man who had attempted to escape from the state prison.

(A) did not doubt whether the body recovered from the river was
(8) have no doubt whether the body recovered from the river was
(C) had not doubted that the body recovered from the river was
(D) have no doubt whether the body recovered from the river was that of
(E) had no doubt that the body recovered from the river was that of


Meaning: Once the investigators saw the report of medical examiner,they were convinced that the body recovered from the river was of a man who attempted to escape from the state prison..

Use of whether is incorrect in Original sentence and all options with whether can be safely removed, A,B and D out..Also we need of in the end of the underlined part as the sentence nonsensically means the body recovered was the man

Once investigators had seen (Past perfect)...so there should be an event in the past which is related to past perfect tense...D use have which is incorrect.

Ans is E which uses, had no doubt in Simple past...
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the idiom is
no doubt that...


so, D is wrong.
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Once they had seen the report from the medical examiner, the investigators did not doubt whether the body recovered from the river was the man who had attempted to escape from the state prison.

(A) did not doubt whether the body recovered from the river was
(B) have no doubt whether the body recovered from the river was
(C) had not doubted that the body recovered from the river was
(D) have no doubt whether the body recovered from the river was that of
(E) had no doubt that the body recovered from the river was that of

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I chose A. Could someone explain me what's wrong with A?
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body cannot be the man..
body will be of a man/woman
so A,B,C are out.
OUt of D & E, only E sticks with correct tense usage
So, OA should be "E"
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Once they had seen the report from the medical examiner, the investigators did not doubt whether the body recovered from the river was the man who had attempted to escape from the state prison.

(A) did not doubt whether the body recovered from the river was
(B) have no doubt whether the body recovered from the river was
(C) had not doubted that the body recovered from the river was
(D) have no doubt whether the body recovered from the river was that of
(E) had no doubt that the body recovered from the river was that of

1.The investigators have no doubt is incorrect.
2.Did not doubt is incorrect for past perfect.
3.'body recoverd from the river was the man', is incorrect because the body cannot be the man,the body was that of the man is correct.
4. E is correct.
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It cant be A

read it again and get the total picture
apart from TENSE issue
there is another Wrong COMPARISON ISSUE here
Once they had seen the report from the medical examiner, the investigators did not doubt whether the body recovered from the river was the man
the Body=the man

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Once they had seen the report from the medical examiner, the investigators did not doubt whether the body recovered from the river was the man who had attempted to escape from the state prison.

(A) did not doubt whether the body recovered from the river was
(B) have no doubt whether the body recovered from the river was
(C) had not doubted that the body recovered from the river was
(D) have no doubt whether the body recovered from the river was that of


Is it correct to use both 'doubt' and 'whether' in the sentence?
(E) had no doubt that the body recovered from the river was that of

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I want to add something

doubt, verb or noun never go with "weather"

I doubt that I can get 700 on gmat
I have no doubt that I can get 700 on gmat.

this is a hard and fast rule but it is easily confused. it is a basic point of grammar .
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Am still doubting why D cannot be the answer, How can had doubt be in simple past tense. Had doubt must be past perfect and Doubted is simple past. Im sorry if i sound moron but am really not understanding what am i missing out here ??
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Am still doubting why D cannot be the answer, How can had doubt be in simple past tense. Had doubt must be past perfect and Doubted is simple past. Im sorry if i sound moron but am really not understanding what am i missing out here ??

Hi longhaul123, the structure of past perfect is:

had + past particiiple

Past particiiple of the verb doubt is doubted.

So, the past perfect tense of the verb doubt would be had doubted. Hence, had doubt is not past perfect.

Incidentally, the real source of confusion here is that in this sentence, doubt is not used as a verb, but as a noun.

When used as noun, following would be the various tense forms (note that have is the verb here):

I have a doubt.
- Present tense

I had a doubt.
- Past tense

I have had a doubt.
- Present perfect tense

I had had a doubt.
- Past Perfect

When doubt is used as a verb, following would be the various tense forms:

I doubt.
- Present tense

I doubted.
- Past tense

I have doubted.
- Present perfect tense

I had doubted.
- Past Perfect

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Once they had seen the report from the medical examiner, the investigators did not doubt whether the body recovered from the river was the man who had attempted to escape from the state prison.

(A) did not doubt whether the body recovered from the river was
(B) have no doubt whether the body recovered from the river was
(C) had not doubted that the body recovered from the river was
(D) have no doubt whether the body recovered from the river was that of
(E) had no doubt that the body recovered from the river was that of

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I chose A. Could someone explain me what's wrong with A?
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A is wrong because of the whether which puts it into uncertainty. At the start of the sentence it says, Once they had seen the report, the investigators (in my own words were certain so E is clearly explains that)
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