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Once they had seen the report from the medical examiner, the investigators did not doubt whether the body recovered from the river was the man who had attempted to escape from the state prison.

(A) did not doubt whether the body recovered from the river was
(B) have no doubt whether the body recovered from the river was
(C) had not doubted that the body recovered from the river was
(D) have no doubt whether the body recovered from the river was that of
(E) had no doubt that the body recovered from the river was that of

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I chose A. Could someone explain me what's wrong with A?
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09 Nov 2009, 09:42
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A has 2 problems

1) DID NOT DOUBT should be HAD NO DOUBTS
because if you notice the start of the sentence,it says "ONCE THEY BALH BLAH BLAH" which means when they started off with the experiment,tthey had some doubts whch got resolved when they BLAH BLAH BLAH...this EFFECT is not represented as well by DID NOT DOUBT as by HAD NO DOUBTS

2) "BODY RECOVERED WAS" THE MAN
new found BODY is being compared with MAN when actually
new found BODY should be compared with THE BODY OF THE MAN..

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It cant be A

read it again and get the total picture
apart from TENSE issue
there is another Wrong COMPARISON ISSUE here
Once they had seen the report from the medical examiner, the investigators did not doubt whether the body recovered from the river was the man
the Body=the man

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Once they had seen the report from the medical examiner, the investigators did not doubt whether the body recovered from the river was the man who had attempted to escape from the state prison.

(A) did not doubt whether the body recovered from the river was
(B) have no doubt whether the body recovered from the river was
(C) had not doubted that the body recovered from the river was
(D) have no doubt whether the body recovered from the river was that of
(E) had no doubt that the body recovered from the river was that of

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I chose A. Could someone explain me what's wrong with A?
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During the question I was trying to match PAST PERFECT to SIMPLE PAST. I picked A originally since "did not doubt" sounded like SIMPLE PAST tense to me. I couldn't understand why E was correct. This was bothering me all morning until I realized that I incorrectly thought "had no doubt" was in PAST PERFECT tense. In fact it is in SIMPLE PAST tense. Everytime I see "had" my mind thinks past perfect.
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Folks can someone help me out with the following question from OG 12.

Once they had seen the report from the medical
examiner, the investigators did not doubt whether
the body recovered from the river was the man who
had attempted to escape from the state prison.
(A) did not doubt whether the body recovered from
the river was
(8) have no doubt whether the body recovered
from the river was
(C) had not doubted that the body recovered from
the river was
(D) have no doubt whether the body recovered
from the river was that of
(E) had no doubt that the body recovered from the
river was that of

The correct answer is mentioned as E but I thought it to be A. My thinking is that "had seen" would indicate something which started in past to end before another event in past. Then the event following this should be with a simple past tense.

But going with the OG answer, it would mean that the following event will also be past perfect. Any clarifications?

Please try to format the question by underlining. This helps people a lot in getting accurate timing info. Also, please try to keep the mention of correct answer a bit down in the post, so that people dont accidently read the OA while perusing the options. thanks !
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Once they had seen the report from the medical examiner, the investigators did not doubt whether the body recovered from the river was the man who had attempted to escape from the state prison.

(A) did not doubt whether the body recovered from the river was
(8) have no doubt whether the body recovered from the river was
(C) had not doubted that the body recovered from the river was
(D) have no doubt whether the body recovered from the river was that of
(E) had no doubt that the body recovered from the river was that of

Meaning: Once the investigators saw the report of medical examiner,they were convinced that the body recovered from the river was of a man who attempted to escape from the state prison..

Use of whether is incorrect in Original sentence and all options with whether can be safely removed, A,B and D out..Also we need of in the end of the underlined part as the sentence nonsensically means the body recovered was the man

Once investigators had seen (Past perfect)...so there should be an event in the past which is related to past perfect tense...D use have which is incorrect.

Ans is E which uses, had no doubt in Simple past...
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09 Nov 2009, 09:43
Oh well done!! I did not see that !
I was too focused on tenses issues...

By the way, if this comparison were ok... would the tense of the first sentence be good?

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09 Nov 2009, 10:09
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Oh well done!! I did not see that !
I was too focused on tenses issues...

By the way, if this comparison were ok... would the tense of the first sentence be good?

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Yes,it wuld have been correct.

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22 Sep 2010, 00:38
pierrealexandre77 wrote:
Oh well done!! I did not see that !
I was too focused on tenses issues...

By the way, if this comparison were ok... would the tense of the first sentence be good?

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Yes these are actual issues not fake.
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22 Sep 2010, 07:02
I think the key to recognizing that tense issue if your having trouble is to re-read it again slowly comparing the to be verbs to the tense of the lead in. That normally is a dead give away.

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22 Sep 2010, 20:17
Good post. Simple question but points out common traps.

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pierrealexandre77 wrote:
Once they had seen the report from the medical examiner, the investigators did not doubt whether the body recovered from the river was the man who had attempted to escape from the state prison.

(A) did not doubt whether the body recovered from the river was
(B) have no doubt whether the body recovered from the river was
(C) had not doubted that the body recovered from the river was
(D) have no doubt whether the body recovered from the river was that of
(E) had no doubt that the body recovered from the river was that of CORRECT

the sentence is in past perfect tense. So we need past tense not the present tense.
whether the body recovered from the river was ....
we have two options here
was(the man)--here comparing the body with the man
was that of---here comparing the body with that of the man...

So E is correct ans

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13 Oct 2010, 02:32
Straight E.

A is incorrect due to Tense Issue as also Incorrct comparison
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13 Oct 2010, 06:36
simple but worthwhile
E stands out

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Once they had seen the report from the medical examiner, the investigators did not doubt whether the body recovered from the river was the man who had attempted to escape from the state prison.

(A) did not doubt whether the body recovered from the river was
(8) have no doubt whether the body recovered from the river was
(C) had not doubted that the body recovered from the river was
(D) have no doubt whether the body recovered from the river was that of
(E) had no doubt that the body recovered from the river was that of

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The split is 3:2 a,b,c or c,d
first of all you have to find "those" or "that". The reason is the body was not the man. The body was "that" of the man. That said a,b,c gone.

C uses "have" which is definitely a tense problem. E remains. This is without getting into past perfect issue.

Your other question is - My thinking is that "had seen" would indicate something which started in past to end before another event in past. Then the event following this should be with a simple past tense.

On the time line "seen" is before "recovered". First they saw the body, recovered the body, investigated the body. This is sequence of the events. But I think you were trying to sequence "had seen" and "had doubt". If you take a closer look it not "had doubted" its "had doubt". So this sequencing is wrong.

karankhinchi wrote:
Folks can someone help me out with the following question from OG 12.

Once they had seen the report from the medical
examiner, the investigators did not doubt whether
the body recovered from the river was the man who
had attempted to escape from the state prison.
(A) did not doubt whether the body recovered from
the river was
(8) have no doubt whether the body recovered
from the river was
(C) had not doubted that the body recovered from
the river was
(D) have no doubt whether the body recovered
from the river was that of
(E) had no doubt that the body recovered from the
river was that of

The correct answer is mentioned as E but I thought it to be A. My thinking is that "had seen" would indicate something which started in past to end before another event in past. Then the event following this should be with a simple past tense.

But going with the OG answer, it would mean that the following event will also be past perfect. Any clarifications?

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that is fairly simple. the answer has to be E
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The split is 3:2 a,b,c or c,d
first of all you have to find "those" or "that". The reason is the body was not the man. The body was "that" of the man. That said a,b,c gone.

C uses "have" which is definitely a tense problem. E remains. This is without getting into past perfect issue.

Your other question is - My thinking is that "had seen" would indicate something which started in past to end before another event in past. Then the event following this should be with a simple past tense.

On the time line "seen" is before "recovered". First they saw the body, recovered the body, investigated the body. This is sequence of the events. But I think you were trying to sequence "had seen" and "had doubt". If you take a closer look it not "had doubted" its "had doubt". So this sequencing is wrong.

karankhinchi wrote:
Folks can someone help me out with the following question from OG 12.

Once they had seen the report from the medical
examiner, the investigators did not doubt whether
the body recovered from the river was the man who
had attempted to escape from the state prison.
(A) did not doubt whether the body recovered from
the river was
(8) have no doubt whether the body recovered
from the river was
(C) had not doubted that the body recovered from
the river was
(D) have no doubt whether the body recovered
from the river was that of
(E) had no doubt that the body recovered from the
river was that of

The correct answer is mentioned as E but I thought it to be A. My thinking is that "had seen" would indicate something which started in past to end before another event in past. Then the event following this should be with a simple past tense.

But going with the OG answer, it would mean that the following event will also be past perfect. Any clarifications?

1. A body cannot man so that of required.
2. simple past of have i.e, had is required.
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(A) is simple present
(B) & (D) present perfect

is that right guys?

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