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correct idiom is distinction between X and Y
only C uses correctly this idiom.

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Ignoring the lay/lie split, can someone explain why E is wrong? Doesn't it provide a contrast with "but"?

Wouldn't "c" be incorrect because it's using "as" to contrast as opposed to "but"?

EDIT: Do distinctions ALWAYS need "between x but y" format? Meaning, are the answer choices D/E wrong because they are missing the word "between" or because they are missing the "and" in the middle?



The problem in E is usage of "TO" . Wrong comparison is made using "TO".
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A. between our intelligence with that of other primates may lay not so much in any specific skill but
B. between our intelligence with that of other primates may lie not so much in any specific skill but instead
C. between our intelligence and that of other primates may lie not so much in any specific skill as
D. our intelligence has from that of other primates may lie not in any specific skill as
E. of our intelligence to that of other primates may lay not in any specific skill but

1. First of all, let’s remove the two wrong choices namely A and E for using ‘lay’ instead of ‘lie’.
2. Remove B for using the wrong idiom of ‘between’ and ‘with’
3. Keep C for using the correct idiom ‘not so much in as in’
4. D: changes the intended meaning. Any specific skill as means that the difference may not lie in our ability to extend knowledge gained … The intended meaning is the opposite of what D implies. This is because of the dropping of the idiom ‘so much in’.

C therefore, is the best.
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One of the primary distinctions between our intelligence with that of other primates may lay not so much in any specific skill but in our ability to extend knowledge gained in one context to new and different ones.

A. between our intelligence with that of other primates may lay not so much in any specific skill but
B. between our intelligence with that of other primates may lie not so much in any specific skill but instead
C. between our intelligence and that of other primates may lie not so much in any specific skill as
D. our intelligence has from that of other primates may lie not in any specific skill as
E. of our intelligence to that of other primates may lay not in any specific skill but

[Reveal] Spoiler:
The question is the following:
between C and D I chose D for:
1) d is more concise
2) what is "so much" in C for? I think it is redundant and useless.
3) D like C doesn't have idiom usage problem

However, OA is C. so I hope you can correct me, if I am wrong.

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Between X and Y. In this case, between our intelligence and that of other primates.
Straight C - 40 sec :D
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A clever trick by GMAT is to hide an idiom inside a word that appears in another idiom This trick works fine on Non-Native speakers.
We all get so caught up in learning the numerous idioms and their correct usage that sometimes we end up with a mishmash amalgamation of words resting deep within our subconsciousness.
The main idioms we learn, generally has these words, consider, estimate, require, prohibit, dated, prefer, differ, distinguish, forbid etc.
We also learn a simple looking, non threatening, friendly idiom between X and Y

In this example GMAT is trying to hide "between" inside distinction which sounds exactly like difference, distinguish ,
The correct usage for distinction and distinguish :-


{distinguish between A and B } { distinguish A from B }

{distinction between A and B } { the distinction of A from B
}



But in all of this hoopla we can see that essentially both of them are a form of "Between A and B" and "A from B" [/color]

Also in OPTION D & E, notice how Gmat tries to fool even the English speakers who know that the idiom "distinction of A from B" but GMAT modifies it to "distinction of A to B"

But if one analyse the options with a cool head without getting flustered, then one can easily see that the option with "Between X and Y" is the correct option and rest of the options are laden with confusing and wrong idioms.
ONLY OPTON C uses the correct idiom.
A. between our intelligence with that of other primates may lay not so much in any specific skill but
B. between our intelligence with that of other primates may lie not so much in any specific skill but instead
C. between our intelligence and that of other primates may lie not so much in any specific skill as
D. distinctions our intelligence has from that of other primates may lie not in any specific skill as (distinctions of X from Y is correct .. distinctions X From Y is wrong)
E. distinctions of our intelligence to that of other primates may lay not in any specific skill but (distinctions of X to y is wrong;distinctions of X FROM y is correcy)



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One of the primary distinctions between our intelligence with that of other primates may lay not so much in any specific skill but in our ability to extend knowledge gained in one context to new and different ones.

A. between our intelligence with that of other primates may lay not so much in any specific skill but
B. between our intelligence with that of other primates may lie not so much in any specific skill but instead
C. between our intelligence and that of other primates may lie not so much in any specific skill as
D. our intelligence has from that of other primates may lie not in any specific skill as
E. of our intelligence to that of other primates may lay not in any specific skill but

[Reveal] Spoiler:
The question is the following:
between C and D I chose D for:
1) d is more concise
2) what is "so much" in C for? I think it is redundant and useless.
3) D like C doesn't have idiom usage problem

However, OA is C. so I hope you can correct me, if I am wrong.

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Thanks LogicGuru1. I was aware of BETWEEN X AND Y idiom, but not about the "distinction" idiom.

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The correct idiom is "distinction between X and Y. Only C follows that and hence is the correct one .

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Well,
daagh has summarised beautifully all the errors and the correct answer.
His method, which I say is very efficient is also very systematic.
20 seconds and he explained everything without any fuss or confusion.
As I have myself reiterated in many problems earlier also , Sentence correction is primarily an exercise in finding decision points and then eliminating the blatantly wrong options.
This is a perfect example of exactly what and how much is needed to be done to reach the correct answer.


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A. between our intelligence with that of other primates may lay not so much in any specific skill but
B. between our intelligence with that of other primates may lie not so much in any specific skill but instead
C. between our intelligence and that of other primates may lie not so much in any specific skill as
D. our intelligence has from that of other primates may lie not in any specific skill as
E. of our intelligence to that of other primates may lay not in any specific skill but

1. First of all, let’s remove the two wrong choices namely A and E for using ‘lay’ instead of ‘lie’.
2. Remove B for using the wrong idiom of ‘between’ and ‘with’
3. Keep C for using the correct idiom ‘not so much in as in’
4. D: changes the intended meaning. Any specific skill as means that the difference may not lie in our ability to extend knowledge gained … The intended meaning is the opposite of what D implies. This is because of the dropping of the idiom ‘so much in’.

C therefore, is the best.

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Could anybody make a further explanation please :

1)Are there any differences in meaning between may not in ... but in... and may not in ... as in ...?
2) how does answer D change the orginal intended meaning?

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Could anybody make a further explanation please :

1)Are there any differences in meaning between may not in ... but in... and may not in ... as in ...?
2) how does answer D change the orginal intended meaning?

Thanks for you help~


Your query 1:
When one discusses the difference in meaning between P and Q, one assumes that P and Q are both grammatically correct. However, not X as Y is grammatically wrong. The question of difference in meaning does not arise whatsoever. Not X, but Y is the correct idiom.
A simplified example may make the issue clear:
My favourite colour is not green, but blue.
My favourite colour is not green, as blue. ... the usage of "as" makes the sentence ungrammatical.

Your query2:
The issue of meaning does not arise since option D is wrong idiomatically as stated above.

Note that in option C, the idiom is not "not X, but Y". The idiom in option C is "so X, as Y", which is correct.

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WZP wrote:
Could anybody make a further explanation please :

1)Are there any differences in meaning between may not in ... but in... and may not in ... as in ...?
2) how does answer D change the orginal intended meaning?

Thanks for you help~


Your query 1:
When one discusses the difference in meaning between P and Q, one assumes that P and Q are both grammatically correct. However, not X as Y is grammatically wrong. The question of difference in meaning does not arise whatsoever. Not X, but Y is the correct idiom.
A simplified example may make the issue clear:
My favourite colour is not green, but blue.
My favourite colour is not green, as blue. ... the usage of "as" makes the sentence ungrammatical.

Your query2:
The issue of meaning does not arise since option D is wrong idiomatically as stated above.

Note that in option C, the idiom is not "not X, but Y". The idiom in option C is "so X, as Y", which is correct.


hi sayantanc2k
Your explanation is helpful!!! Thanks!
For option D, the OG says " without so much, which is used in (C), as seems to introduce a comparison for specific skill rather than a distinction." . I am really not good at comparsion structure and i feel confused about this official explanation. Could you please help me to figure it out :oops: ?

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WZP wrote:
sayantanc2k wrote:
WZP wrote:
Could anybody make a further explanation please :

1)Are there any differences in meaning between may not in ... but in... and may not in ... as in ...?
2) how does answer D change the orginal intended meaning?

Thanks for you help~


Your query 1:
When one discusses the difference in meaning between P and Q, one assumes that P and Q are both grammatically correct. However, not X as Y is grammatically wrong. The question of difference in meaning does not arise whatsoever. Not X, but Y is the correct idiom.
A simplified example may make the issue clear:
My favourite colour is not green, but blue.
My favourite colour is not green, as blue. ... the usage of "as" makes the sentence ungrammatical.

Your query2:
The issue of meaning does not arise since option D is wrong idiomatically as stated above.

Note that in option C, the idiom is not "not X, but Y". The idiom in option C is "so X, as Y", which is correct.


hi sayantanc2k
Your explanation is helpful!!! Thanks!
For option D, the OG says " without so much, which is used in (C), as seems to introduce a comparison for specific skill rather than a distinction." . I am really not good at comparsion structure and i feel confused about this official explanation. Could you please help me to figure it out :oops: ?


Well, I am not sure whether I can explain this, since the OG explanation is really difficult to comprehend. Yet let me take a try:

The OG probably means the following:

"As" can be used to introduce a comparison for the noun adjacent to it. e.g.,

I have a book as new as your book.

Here "as" after "book" introduces a comparison for "book".

Similarly, in option D, "as" seems to introduce a comparison for " specific skills".

I am not sure whether this is convincing enough, but this is the best I can do.

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Can I say that as is required to for the so much.......as construction?
And based on this can we eliminate answers?

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Can I say that as is required to for the so much.......as construction?
And based on this can we eliminate answers?


According to mikemcgarry ,For idiomatic error as addressed below , you can eliminate Answer Choice( A ) and ( B)

Correct idiom: not so much A as B. It demonstrates a difference in degree: whatever is being asserted, A is true or relevant, but it is less true or less relevant, and B is more so by comparison. This is used for nouns primarily for nouns, noun-like phrase (infinitives & gerunds), prepositional phrase or participial phrases.

Incorrect Idioms : “not so much A but B” , “not so much A instead B".

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SPLIT1) IDIOM. "BETWEEN..AND". A,B,D AND E ARE OUT.

SPLIT2) IDIOM. "SO MUCH….AS". A,B,E ARE OUT.

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One of the primary distinctions between our intelligence with that of other primates may lay not so much in any specific skill but in our ability to extend knowledge gained in one context to new and different ones.

A. between our intelligence with that of other primates may lay not so much in any specific skill but

B. between our intelligence with that of other primates may lie not so much in any specific skill but instead

C. between our intelligence and that of other primates may lie not so much in any specific skill as

D. our intelligence has from that of other primates may lie not in any specific skill as
--> awkward.

E. of our intelligence to that of other primates may lay not in any specific skill but
--> awkward.
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One of the primary distinctions between our intelligence with that of other primates may lay not so much
in any specific skill but in our ability to extend knowledge gained in one context to new and different ones.

The only acceptable idiom w.r.t the usage of “distinction between” is
Distinction Between X and Y ..
All other usages are considered unidiomatic…

A. between our intelligence with that of other primates may lay not so much in any specific skill but
Incorrect idiom

B. between our intelligence with that of other primates may lie not so much in any specific skill but
Instead
Incorrect idiom

C. between our intelligence and that of other primates may lie not so much in any specific skill as
Correct

D. our intelligence has from that of other primates may lie not in any specific skill as
Incorrect idiom

E. of our intelligence to that of other primates may lay not in any specific skill but
Incorrect idiom
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30 second answer.
One of the primary distinctions between our intelligence with that of other primates may lay not so much in any specific skill but in our ability to extend knowledge gained in one context to new and different ones.

The original sentence incorrectly uses the idiom between A and B. The only answer using this idiom correctly is C
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