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One of the primary distinctions between our intelligence with that of other primates may lay not so much in any specific skill but in our ability to extend knowledge gained in one context to new and different ones.

(A) between our intelligence with that of other primates may lay not so much in any specific skill but

(B) between our intelligence with that of other primates may lie not so much in any specific skill but instead

(C) between our intelligence and that of other primates may lie not so much in any specific skill as

(D) our intelligence has from that of other primates may lie not in any specific skill as

(E) of our intelligence to that of other primates may lay not in any specific skill but

The question is the following:
between C and D I chose D for:
1) d is more concise
2) what is "so much" in C for? I think it is redundant and useless.
3) D like C doesn't have idiom usage problem

However, OA is C. so I hope you can correct me, if I am wrong.
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A. between our intelligence with that of other primates may lay not so much in any specific skill but
B. between our intelligence with that of other primates may lie not so much in any specific skill but instead
C. between our intelligence and that of other primates may lie not so much in any specific skill as
D. our intelligence has from that of other primates may lie not in any specific skill as
E. of our intelligence to that of other primates may lay not in any specific skill but

1. First of all, let’s remove the two wrong choices namely A and E for using ‘lay’ instead of ‘lie’.
2. Remove B for using the wrong idiom of ‘between’ and ‘with’
3. Keep C for using the correct idiom ‘not so much in as in’
4. D: changes the intended meaning. Any specific skill as means that the difference may not lie in our ability to extend knowledge gained … The intended meaning is the opposite of what D implies. This is because of the dropping of the idiom ‘so much in’.

C therefore, is the best.
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A clever trick by GMAT is to hide an idiom inside a word that appears in another idiom This trick works fine on Non-Native speakers.
We all get so caught up in learning the numerous idioms and their correct usage that sometimes we end up with a mishmash amalgamation of words resting deep within our subconsciousness.
The main idioms we learn, generally has these words, consider, estimate, require, prohibit, dated, prefer, differ, distinguish, forbid etc.
We also learn a simple looking, non threatening, friendly idiom between X and Y

In this example GMAT is trying to hide "between" inside distinction which sounds exactly like difference, distinguish ,
The correct usage for distinction and distinguish :-

{distinguish between A and B } { distinguish A from B }

{distinction between A and B } { the distinction of A from B
}

But in all of this hoopla we can see that essentially both of them are a form of "Between A and B" and "A from B" [/color]

Also in OPTION D & E, notice how Gmat tries to fool even the English speakers who know that the idiom "distinction of A from B" but GMAT modifies it to "distinction of A to B"

But if one analyse the options with a cool head without getting flustered, then one can easily see that the option with "Between X and Y" is the correct option and rest of the options are laden with confusing and wrong idioms.
ONLY OPTON C uses the correct idiom.
A. between our intelligence with that of other primates may lay not so much in any specific skill but
B. between our intelligence with that of other primates may lie not so much in any specific skill but instead
C. between our intelligence and that of other primates may lie not so much in any specific skill as
D. distinctions our intelligence has from that of other primates may lie not in any specific skill as (distinctions of X from Y is correct .. distinctions X From Y is wrong)
E. distinctions of our intelligence to that of other primates may lay not in any specific skill but (distinctions of X to y is wrong;distinctions of X FROM y is correcy)

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One of the primary distinctions between our intelligence with that of other primates may lay not so much in any specific skill but in our ability to extend knowledge gained in one context to new and different ones.

A. between our intelligence with that of other primates may lay not so much in any specific skill but
B. between our intelligence with that of other primates may lie not so much in any specific skill but instead
C. between our intelligence and that of other primates may lie not so much in any specific skill as
D. our intelligence has from that of other primates may lie not in any specific skill as
E. of our intelligence to that of other primates may lay not in any specific skill but

The question is the following:
between C and D I chose D for:
1) d is more concise
2) what is "so much" in C for? I think it is redundant and useless.
3) D like C doesn't have idiom usage problem

However, OA is C. so I hope you can correct me, if I am wrong.

Thanx

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Ayrish wrote:
Hi friends
I have very interesting question

One of the primary distinctions between our intelligence with that of other primates may lay not so much in any specific skill but in our ability to extend knowledge gained in one context to new and different ones.

A. between our intelligence with that of other primates may lay not so much in any specific skill but
B. between our intelligence with that of other primates may lie not so much in any specific skill but instead
C. between our intelligence and that of other primates may lie not so much in any specific skill as
D. our intelligence has from that of other primates may lie not in any specific skill as
E. of our intelligence to that of other primates may lay not in any specific skill but

The question is the following:
between C and D I chose D for:
1) d is more concise
2) what is "so much" in C for? I think it is redundant and useless.
3) D like C doesn't have idiom usage problem

However, OA is C. so I hope you can correct me, if I am wrong.

Thanx

IMO C is the right answer.
1) Distinction should be followed by between (in most of the cases) when trying to compare two object(things). So, 'distinctions between' is correct usage, and it should be kept when trying to figure out the correct answer.
2) usage of ' so much' imparts correct sense to the sentence as it is playing down the effect of 'specific skill' as intended by the author.
3) I can't see any idiom usage problem in C. distinction between X and Y is correct usage.

In fact contrary to what you say, I find D wordy and awkward and would never go for it in the real thing.
Anyway, hope it helps.
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I understand the sentence completely except for one very important thing, i.e. for me as Dutch person it is very hard to understand why it is as instead of but ending the underlined portion. I understand the idiom usage, the reason why we use lie instead of lay (I know this removes E). But I cannot cope with as..... Can somebody please explain. Thanks in advance

Hi Brink,

This sentence aims to describe what is the main distinction between human and primate intelligence. Author says that it is not any particular skill, as usually believed (by say some other scientists) but humans' ability extend knowledge.
As shows comparison. It is akin to saying: Distinction lies not so much in A, as in B.
Hence the use of 'as' is correct here.

One of the primary distinctions between our intelligence and that of other primates may lie not [so much] in any specific skill [as] in our ability to extend knowledge gained in one context to new and different ones.

In the original sentence, but implies a contrast:
One of the primary distinctions between our intelligence with that of other primates may lay not [so much] in any specific skill [but] in our ability to extend knowledge gained in one context to new and different ones.

C says : Distinction lies not so much in A, but in B
Here but also fails to connect the part after it with part before it. Part after but, might as well be a separate thought with nothing to do with the degree of distinction in specific skill.
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Could anybody make a further explanation please :

1）Are there any differences in meaning between may not in ... but in... and may not in ... as in ...?
2) how does answer D change the orginal intended meaning?

Thanks for you help~

When one discusses the difference in meaning between P and Q, one assumes that P and Q are both grammatically correct. However, not X as Y is grammatically wrong. The question of difference in meaning does not arise whatsoever. Not X, but Y is the correct idiom.
A simplified example may make the issue clear:
My favourite colour is not green, but blue.
My favourite colour is not green, as blue. ... the usage of "as" makes the sentence ungrammatical.

The issue of meaning does not arise since option D is wrong idiomatically as stated above.

Note that in option C, the idiom is not "not X, but Y". The idiom in option C is "so X, as Y", which is correct.
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Hi everyone,
Can I say that as is required to for the so much.......as construction?
And based on this can we eliminate answers?

According to mikemcgarry ,For idiomatic error as addressed below , you can eliminate Answer Choice( A ) and ( B)

Correct idiom: not so much A as B. It demonstrates a difference in degree: whatever is being asserted, A is true or relevant, but it is less true or less relevant, and B is more so by comparison. This is used for nouns primarily for nouns, noun-like phrase (infinitives & gerunds), prepositional phrase or participial phrases.

Incorrect Idioms : “not so much A but B” , “not so much A instead B".

The detail explanation presented here at magoosh blog
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C contains the correct idiom. Can someone throw some light on lay vs lie?

Hello amitdey111 - This is what I can think of:

to lie means “to rest,”

to lay means “to put or place.”

To lie is an intransitive verb: it describes an action undertaken by the subject, but it will never have a direct object.

To lay is a transitive verb: it needs a direct object because it describes the kind of action that is done to something.

Now coming back to our option choices:

"between our intelligence and that of other primates may" - Try substituting "lay" - which means "to put" - This is non-sensical. Hence, the usage of "lie" is correct here.
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08 Nov 2018, 08:15
A-B "between ... with"
C - "between... and" --> this is the one we like

d-e don't do a good job creating the comparison...

Ayrish wrote:
One of the primary distinctions between our intelligence with that of other primates may lay not so much in any specific skill but in our ability to extend knowledge gained in one context to new and different ones.

(A) between our intelligence with that of other primates may lay not so much in any specific skill but

(B) between our intelligence with that of other primates may lie not so much in any specific skill but instead

(C) between our intelligence and that of other primates may lie not so much in any specific skill as

(D) our intelligence has from that of other primates may lie not in any specific skill as

(E) of our intelligence to that of other primates may lay not in any specific skill but

The question is the following:
between C and D I chose D for:
1) d is more concise
2) what is "so much" in C for? I think it is redundant and useless.
3) D like C doesn't have idiom usage problem

However, OA is C. so I hope you can correct me, if I am wrong.
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19 Mar 2019, 13:09
Hello Everyone!

Let's tackle this question, one issue at a time, and narrow it down to the correct answer quickly! To start, here is the original question with any major differences between the options highlighted in orange:

One of the primary distinctions between our intelligence with that of other primates may lay not so much in any specific skill but in our ability to extend knowledge gained in one context to new and different ones.

(A) between our intelligence with that of other primates may lay not so much in any specific skill but
(B) between our intelligence with that of other primates may lie not so much in any specific skill but instead
(C) between our intelligence and that of other primates may lie not so much in any specific skill as
(D) our intelligence has from that of other primates may lie not in any specific skill as
(E) of our intelligence to that of other primates may lay not in any specific skill but

After taking a quick look over the options, here are some things we can focus on to narrow down our choices:

1. between / our intelligence has / of our intelligence (Wordiness/Meaning)
2. with / and / from / to (Idioms/Meaning)
3. lay / lie (Word Usage/Meaning)
4. but / but instead / as (Word Usage/Idioms)

#3 on our list (lay vs. lie) will eliminate 2-3 options right away, so let's start there. Lay and lie are tricky to remember, even for native English speakers, so here is a refresher:

Lay = to put down or place an object (I will lay my book down on the desk.)
Lie = to rest or recline (I will lie in bed until I feel better.)

When in doubt, replace the word "lay" or "lie" with it's intended meaning. If it works, you're using the right word. If it doesn't, then you'll need to change it. Here is how it would work in this sentence:

Lay = One of the primary distinctions between our intelligence with that of other primates may put not so much in any specific skill but in our ability to extend knowledge gained in one context to new and different ones.

Lie = One of the primary distinctions between our intelligence with that of other primates may rest not so much in any specific skill but in our ability to extend knowledge gained in one context to new and different ones.

(A) between our intelligence with that of other primates may lay not so much in any specific skill but
(B) between our intelligence with that of other primates may lie not so much in any specific skill but instead
(C) between our intelligence and that of other primates may lie not so much in any specific skill as
(D) our intelligence has from that of other primates may lie not in any specific skill as
(E) of our intelligence to that of other primates may lay not in any specific skill but

We can eliminate options A & E because they use the word "lay" instead of "lie."

Next, let's focus on #1 and #2 on our list because they sort of go together. We need to make sure we're using idioms correctly and using concise language whenever possible.

(B) between our intelligence with that of other primates may lie not so much in any specific skill but instead

This is INCORRECT because the idiom "between X from Y" is wrong. It should be "between X and Y."

(C) between our intelligence and that of other primates may lie not so much in any specific skill as

This is CORRECT! It uses the correct idiom structure "between X and Y."

(D) our intelligence has from that of other primates may lie not in any specific skill as

This is INCORRECT because it uses an incorrect idiom! The appropriate idiom structure here would be either "distinction between X and Y" or "distinction of X from Y." This sentence uses "distinction X has from Y," which is wrong.

There you have it - option C is the correct choice! It uses "lie" instead of "lay" and uses proper idiom structures!

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Please, is there any way around idioms to eliminate E?
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Please, is there any way around idioms to eliminate E?

Sure!

Take another look at (E):

"One of the primary distinctions of our intelligence to that of other primates may lay not in any specific skill but..."

If I write "may lay," the word verb "lay," in this context means "to set down," and should take an object. For example,

"Tim may lay the matches down on a shelf, but that won't stop his three-year-old from dragging over a stool, retrieving them, and exacting revenge for all the times Tim denied him a brownie."

In this example there's a noun, "the matches," that Tim is setting down.

In (E), because there's no object to lay down, the way Tim is putting down matches, the appropriate form of the verb is "may lie," meaning "to be" or "to exist." Because the usage of "lay" is incorrect, we know that (E) is wrong.

Is that a common enough issue to bother memorizing? Nope. But if you happen to know the rule, you don't have to evaluate the idiom.

That said, while there's no reason to memorize idioms, you can sometimes reason your way through them. If we're making a distinction, there have to be multiple elements we're contrasting, right? And there can be a difference between two elements, but it would be odd to talk about a difference of two elements.

Similarly, the phrase, "primary distinctions of our intelligence," doesn't make any sense, as it sounds as though the distinctions are a quality of the intelligence. If you read the option several times, can you eventually puzzle out what the author means? I guess so. But if we see the phrase, "distinctions between x and y," it's crystal clear that there are two items to compare, so this construction is better.

Put another way, if you see an unfamiliar idiom, you can either look for another issue altogether or try to use logic to figure out which idiom is best, instead of relying on something you've memorized. There are about 25,000 idioms in English, so memorization isn't usually the best strategy.

I hope that helps!
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One of the primary distinctions between our intelligence with that of other primates may lay not so much in any specific skill but in our ability to extend knowledge gained in one context to new and different ones.

(A) between our intelligence with that of other primates may lay not so much in any specific skill but

(B) between our intelligence with that of other primates may lie not so much in any specific skill but instead

(C) between our intelligence and that of other primates may lie not so much in any specific skill as

(D) our intelligence has from that of other primates may lie not in any specific skill as

(E) of our intelligence to that of other primates may lay not in any specific skill but

The question is the following:
between C and D I chose D for:
1) d is more concise
2) what is "so much" in C for? I think it is redundant and useless.
3) D like C doesn't have idiom usage problem

However, OA is C. so I hope you can correct me, if I am wrong.
Thanx

(A) between our intelligence with that of other primates may lay not so much in any specific skill but - Wrong: 1) Verb 2) 2 Idioms

(B) between our intelligence with that of other primates may lie not so much in any specific skill but instead - Wrong: 1) 2 Idioms

(C) between our intelligence and that of other primates may lie not so much in any specific skill as - Correct

(D) our intelligence has from that of other primates may lie not in any specific skill as - Wrong: 1) Idiom

(E) of our intelligence to that of other primates may lay not in any specific skill but - Wrong: 1) Verb
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Ayrish wrote:
One of the primary distinctions between our intelligence with that of other primates may lay not so much in any specific skill but in our ability to extend knowledge gained in one context to new and different ones.

(A) between our intelligence with that of other primates may lay not so much in any specific skill but

(B) between our intelligence with that of other primates may lie not so much in any specific skill but instead

(C) between our intelligence and that of other primates may lie not so much in any specific skill as

(D) our intelligence has from that of other primates may lie not in any specific skill as

(E) of our intelligence to that of other primates may lay not in any specific skill but

The question is the following:
between C and D I chose D for:
1) d is more concise
2) what is "so much" in C for? I think it is redundant and useless.
3) D like C doesn't have idiom usage problem

However, OA is C. so I hope you can correct me, if I am wrong.
Thanx

I think the only thing to consider is to choose a correct idiom structure that is between X and Y , rather than between x with y .
C is a clear winner there on that front .
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