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17 Sep 2013, 09:44
Dear Mike,

I can confirm that the OA is indeed B. I have verified it from GMAT PREP,as I encountered this question while taking test.

I'm producing a part of question in which I'm having doubt.

Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies—less than those killed by bee stings.

B. movies—fewer than have been
In option B, I wanted to understand the construction of the sentence. Can we say that the blue colored part is Clause.? if yes, then what is the subject?

E. movies, fewer than the ones
Again, what is highlighted portion depicting? Is it a modifier, if yes, then what kind of modifier is this? Appositive, and what is it modifying? Movies..?
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Dear Mike,

I can confirm that the OA is indeed B. I have verified it from GMAT PREP,as I encountered this question while taking test.

I'm producing a part of question in which I'm having doubt.
Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies—less than those killed by bee stings.

B. movies — fewer than have been
In option B, I wanted to understand the construction of the sentence. Can we say that the blue colored part is Clause.? if yes, then what is the subject?

E. movies, fewer than the ones
Again, what is highlighted portion depicting? Is it a modifier, if yes, then what kind of modifier is this? Appositive, and what is it modifying? Movies..?

Dear imhimanshu,
I'm happy to help. Thank you for verifying the OA.

Here's the full (B) version:
Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies—fewer than have been killed by bee stings.
Remember that one of the qualities of parallel structure --- in some sense, the very point of parallelism --- is that we can omit a large number of common words as assumed. In the first clause, the subject is "seven people", or somewhat more formally, [number] people or "the number of people" --- those words are assumed in the second part of the sentence--- "fewer than the number of people that have been killed by bee stings", with the green part showing the common words that were properly omitted in the parallel structure. One could say --- the very point of parallelism is to omit such words.

Technically, I guess we would say --- the first part, up to "movies", is an independent clause. Then we get "fewer than [a number]" --- here, "than" serves as a preposition, and the omitted noun "number of people" is the object of the preposition, and the verb "have been killed" is the verb of a "that" clause modifying the object of the preposition.

Here's the full (E) version:
Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movie, fewer than the ones killed by bee stings.
Again, "than" is a preposition, and the indefinite pronoun "the ones" is the object of the preposition, and this object is modified by a participial phrase "killed by bee stings." For more on participial phrases, see:
http://magoosh.com/gmat/2012/participle ... -the-gmat/
I guess the GMAT prefers (B), because in (E) we are setting a full verb of a full close in parallel to participial phrase, instead of a full verb inside a noun-modifying "that" clause, which is what (B) does. Hmmm.

Does all this make sense?
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20 Nov 2013, 04:37
akijuneja wrote:
Dear mike
I read that when we compare numbers and numbers decrease we use less.
For eg: the melting point of zinc is less than that of copper.

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When we say "melting point", it is uncountable. Its is like , the "level of water" in a pool. It can be less not fewer.
Thats why, "fewer" is appropriate here because we are counting the number of people.
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akijuneja wrote:
Dear mike
I read that when we compare numbers and numbers decrease we use less.
For eg: the melting point of zinc is less than that of copper.

Posted from my mobile device

When we say "melting point", it is uncountable. Its is like , the "level of water" in a pool. It can be less not fewer.
Thats why, "fewer" is appropriate here because we are counting the number of people.

Dear avik629,
Just to be clear, "melting point" is neither countable nor uncountable --- it is a third category: numbers themselves. If I ask, "what is the melting point of zinc?", the correct answer to that question is a number.

For uncountable nouns, we use "more" and "less".
For countable nouns, we use "more" and "fewer".
For numbers, we use "greater" and "less", or "higher" and "lower", or something along those lines.

It would be 100% wrong to use "fewer" for "melting point". We could use "less" or "lower", as in:
The melting point of zinc is less than that of copper.
The melting point of copper is greater than that of zinc.
Zinc has a lower melting point than does copper.
Copper has a higher melting point than does zinc.

See this post:
http://magoosh.com/gmat/2012/gmat-compa ... -vs-fewer/

Does all this make sense?
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22 Apr 2015, 22:58
700slave wrote:
according to this book...the OA is E

The OA is B- this is GMAT Prep Question
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12 Jul 2015, 13:58
camlan1990 wrote:
stallone wrote:
Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies—less than those killed by bee stings.
A. movies—less than those
B. movies—fewer than have been
C. movies, which is less than those
D. movies, a number lower than the people
E. movies, fewer than the ones

How exactly is "," & "-" should be used ??

OA is B. PLease recheck. "THE ONES" in E is ambigious, is it "movies" or "people"???

Dear camlan,
I'm happy to respond. First of all, I corrected the OA: you are indeed correct that the OA of this official question is (B).

Nevertheless, I wouldn't say that "the ones" is entirely ambiguous in (E). Here's (E):
Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies, fewer than the ones killed by bee stings.
The presence of the same verb, "killed," is enough to signal the parallelism of the subjects. Admittedly, something is funny about the modifying phrase after the comma coming so far from its target word, "seven." The dash works better than the comma here, to make it clear that we are referring to the whole of the sentence before the dash. Also, (E) is wordy and flaccid and indirect.

...fewer than have been killed... = sleek & elegant & sophisticated
...fewer than the ones killed.. = clunky, like something from a substandard middle school student

Does all this make sense?
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A few good pointers on B Vs E:

http://www.beatthegmat.com/gmatprep-pro ... tml#376566
http://www.beatthegmat.com/comma-with-e ... tml#380374
http://www.beatthegmat.com/only-seven-p ... tml#257319
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31 Aug 2015, 23:41
abhishekv wrote:
I think the answer boils down to E.

Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies—less than those killed by bee stings.
A. movies—less than those
B. movies—fewer than have been
C. movies, which is less than those
D. movies, a number lower than the people
E. movies, fewer than the ones

Well, generally (I believe so) "-" is used when the clause following the hyphen is either an independent clause.

A,C,D are out. Between B and E, E is incorrect. What is 'ones' here? 'ones' is people. So was the number fewer than people?? No sense. ANSWER = B.
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05 Oct 2016, 03:45
Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies—less than those killed by bee stings.
A. movies—less than those
B. movies—fewer than have been
C. movies, which is less than those
D. movies, a number lower than the people
E. movies, fewer than the ones
Always read the non underlined part more carefully. It will give you some clue.

have been killed by the great white shark must be correct hence XXXXXX killed by bee stings. XXXXXX should have some thing + have been
A. is wrong for not having have been & also less is uncountable. INCORRECT
B. seems correct
C. Movies, which( movies has nothing to do with bee stings) the man-eater of the movies is used to define sharks. INCORRECT
D. movies, a number lower than the people. Which number it is talking about. The only number is in the clause Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark - INCORRECT
E. movies, fewer than the ones - INCORRECT same reason as D

Hence B is also correct

Also between Comma and Dash Here Dash is preferable.
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Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies—less than those killed by bee stings.
A. movies—less than those
B. movies—fewer than have been
C. movies, which is less than those
D. movies, a number lower than the people
E. movies, fewer than the ones

I agree choice B is the correct one because other choice either has modifier error (choice C, D and E) or use less to modify countable noun (choice A).

Can someone please explain the function of hyphen in Choice A? It connects an independent clause with a phrase. What is the modified entity for "fewer than have been killed by bee stings"? Is it "seven people"? Why this modifier is so far away from the from the modified entity?

Also, can someone explain why "fewer than have been" omitted those? I thought that people killed by shark is compared with people (those) killed by bee thing.

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Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies—less than those killed by bee stings.

A. movies—less than those (Use fewer for countable nouns)
B. movies—fewer than have been (Correct)
C. movies, which is less than those (Same as A)
D. movies, a number lower than the people (Wrong comparison)
E. movies, fewer than the ones (Not parallel and usage of ones is wrong)

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Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies−less than those killed by bee stings.

A. movies−less than those
B. movies−fewer than have been
C. movies, which is less than those
D. movies, a number lower than the people
E. movies, fewer than the ones

GMATNinja Could you help to analyze answers (B) & (E)? What is "the ones" in (E) referring to? Does the verb tense have to be in parallel "have been killed by X...have been killed by Y"?

B makes is clear that you're comparing "only seven" to "fewer", since each of these takes a verb in the same tense.

E is an ambiguous comparison, you could be comparing "fewer" to the shark.
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17 May 2017, 08:57
hfbamafan wrote:
The Columbia Guide to Standard American English by Kenneth G. Wilson, lists the following under the entry "Indefinite pronoun":

"Anyone, anybody, someone, somebody, none, each, either, neither, one...."

All of these take an apostrophe when forming the possessive. I can be confident of this because (1) none of them has a possessive form written simply with a terminal s as an entry in the Oxford English Dictionary--and if any dictionary would list such forms it is the OED--and (2) the possessive forms using apostrophe-s can be found in works archived in Google Books. (Even none! Do a search in Google Books for none's business" for one example.)

So possessive pronouns have to use an apostrophe to be grammatically correct.

how is this related to this question?
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GMATNinja Could you help to analyze answers (B) & (E)? What is "the ones" in (E) referring to? Does the verb tense have to be in parallel "have been killed by X...have been killed by Y"?

B makes is clear that you're comparing "only seven" to "fewer", since each of these takes a verb in the same tense.

E is an ambiguous comparison, you could be comparing "fewer" to the shark.

ziyuen, I don't think ambiguity is the problem, since "ones" is plural and the shark is singular. The issue is that whenever you use "the one" or "the ones", you're pointing to a very specific individual or individuals:

I eat dozens of burritos every week, but the ones at Taqueria La Cumbre are the best. --> I'm referring to a specific subset of burritos, not to the antecedent "burritos" in general

In (E), the logic subtly falls apart when we use "the ones." (E) compares the number of people killed by the sharks to the specific people killed by bee stings. (B) clarifies that you're comparing the quantity of people who were killed by each source.

I hope this helps!
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28 May 2017, 01:05
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Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies—less than those killed by bee stings.

A. movies—less than those
B. movies—fewer than have been
C. movies, which is less than those
D. movies, a number lower than the people
E. movies, fewer than the ones

I have studied this question many times.
two points I want to say.
first, "fewer than have been.." in B is adverbial, something that work as adverb to modify the preceding clause. this phrase is not adjective because if it is adjective, we can attach this phrase to "seven people"

only seven people, fewer than have been killed by bee sting, have been killed

this make no sense when the phrase is close the the noun modified.

second point is that " fewer than have been..." has no second element of comparison. this second element is implied. this point is hard for us because in most of the case, both element of comparison are present in the case.

those are two hard points we have to learn from this question.
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28 May 2017, 17:27
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jj32 wrote:
Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies—less than those killed by bee stings.

A. movies—less than those
B. movies—fewer than have been
C. movies, which is less than those
D. movies, a number lower than the people
E. movies, fewer than the ones

I have studied this question many times.
two points I want to say.
first, "fewer than have been.." in B is adverbial, something that work as adverb to modify the preceding clause. this phrase is not adjective because if it is adjective, we can attach this phrase to "seven people"

only seven people, fewer than have been killed by bee sting, have been killed

this make no sense when the phrase is close the the noun modified.

second point is that " fewer than have been..." has no second element of comparison. this second element is implied. this point is hard for us because in most of the case, both element of comparison are present in the case.

those are two hard points we have to learn from this question.

Dear victory47,

My friend, if you don't mind, I'd like to comment on your analysis.

A clause beginning with "than" is always a adverbial clause. The word "than" is typically preceded be a comparative word, in this case, "fewer." The target of the modifying clause is the action of the independent clause. This action, "Only seven people . . . have been killed by the great white shark. . . " is clear: that's the first element of the comparison. What follows the word "than" is the second element of the comparison.

Does all this make sense?
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