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Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies—less than those killed by bee stings.

(A) movies—less than those

(B) movies—fewer than have been

(C) movies, which is less than those

(D) movies, a number lower than the people

(E) movies, fewer than the ones

"seven people" is a number, so, it should be compared to a number.
seven people have been killed by shark, lower than the number of people who have been killed by bee stings.

the point gmat want to test here is how to compare a group of person to a specific number.

fewer than 7 persons have been killed by sharks.

this is a correct sentence.

we need following pattern to use "fewer "

fewer than+ specific number + persons"

we cannot eliminate the specific number. we can not say " fewer than+ people" . you can not say

less than those
lower than people
fewer than ones


in fact, choice A, C, D and E present the 3 cases above. we need to add a specific number.

or you have to use
that number of who have been killed by sharks is smaller than the number of persons who have been killed by bee stings.
we add "number" and use 'smaller". this is too wordy.


if we DO NOT HAVE A SPECIFIC, we have to use the pattern choice B presents.

fewer than have been killed by bee stings.

. so, we know 3 ways to put "persons" into comparison. the pattern in choice B is strange and I think, i can not remember this pattern.

if we can not remember the pattern of choice B, we can easily remember that

fewer than+persons/those/ones
is incorrect.

knowing above pattern is incorrect is good enough for us to go to OA choice B.

ONE MORE THING
is "fewer than have been killed..." adjectival or adverbial

I think the phrase is adverbial because if it is adjectival, it should be closed to the head noun if modifies. to know whether comma+adjective phrase is adverb , we should read semantic /meaning functions of adverbial in grammar book.

semantically , there are many types of adverbial, one of which shows evaluation or comment on the content of the main clause.
so, I think "fewer than have been ...". fall in to " this kind because this phrase show the comment on the content of the man clause.

it is an adverbial, not adjectival.

if someone think that
good math of an engineer + good english of English teacher =good analysis of business competition,
we still can satisfy what it wants.

Originally posted by thangvietnam on 20 Jan 2019, 01:58.
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The answer should keep the dash. The dash is stronger than the comma and cannot be used to replace it.

Out of the remaining two, B is the ‘fewer than have been killed’ maintains parallelism with ‘have been killed’.



B is the right answer.
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Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies—less than those killed by bee stings.


(A) movies—less than those

Less than is used for uncountable noun.

(B) movies—fewer than have been

Although its passive but it is only Grammatically correct answer

(C) movies, which is less than those

Which is wrongly used

(D) movies, a number lower than the people

Number is compared to People

(E) movies, fewer than the ones

Fewer has no proper modification
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Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies—less than those killed by bee stings.

(A) movies—less than those
"those" refers to a noun not present (the other people bitten)
"less" is also reserved for uncountable nouns

(B) movies—fewer than have been
correct use of "fewer", no random pronoun reference

(C) movies, which is less than those
"which" is incorrectly used as it modifies movies here
"less" is also reserved for uncountable nouns

(D) movies, a number lower than the people
a number cannot be "lower than the people" -- illogical comparison

(E) movies, fewer than the ones
same issue as A) "ones" refers to a nonexistent noun
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Can someone elaborate on the complete form of (B) without ellipsis? (I mean cutting short of words to be conscise)

Is it - fewer than THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT/WHO have been killed by bee stings ???

Please let me know if above expansion is right.
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Dear Friends,

Here is a detailed explanation to this question-

700slave wrote:
Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies—less than those killed by bee stings.


(A) movies—less than those

(B) movies—fewer than have been

(C) movies, which is less than those

(D) movies, a number lower than the people

(E) movies, fewer than the ones



Choice A: This answer choice incorrectly uses "less" to modify "people", a countable noun. Thus, this answer choice is incorrect.

Choice B: This answer choice modifies the countable noun "people" with the correct modifier, "fewer", avoids pronoun ambiguity, and conveys the intended meaning of the sentence. Thus, this answer choice is correct.

Choice C: This answer choice repeats the error found in Option A. Moreover, due to the use of the "comma + which" combination the phrase "which is less than those..." modifies the noun "movies". Thus, this answer choice is incorrect.

Choice D: This answer choice incorrectly uses "lower" to modify "people", a countable noun. Thus, this answer choice is incorrect.

Choice E: This answer choice suffers from pronoun ambiguity, regarding the phrase "the ones"; there are two plural nouns that "ones" could refer to, "people" and "movies". Thus, this answer choice is incorrect.

Hence, B is the best answer choice.

To understand the concept of "Collective, Countable, and Uncountable Nouns on GMAT", you may want to watch the following video (~2 minutes):



To understand the concept of "Avoiding Pronoun Ambiguity on GMAT", you may want to watch the following video (~1 minute):



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(B) movies—fewer than have been

My issue is with choice B, the number of people is being compared however the comparison is not very clear to me.

Should it not be something like "- fewer than the no of people who have been"
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(B) movies—fewer than have been

My issue is with choice B, the number of people is being compared however the comparison is not very clear to me.

Should it not be something like "- fewer than the no of people who have been"



Hello manavsehgal123,

Thank you for the query. :-)

The sentence with Choice B reads: Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies—fewer than have been killed by bee stings.

The above-sentence is correct because it presents the intended comparison correctly. So what is the intended comparison? The sentence says that seven people have been killed by the great white shark. However, more people have been killed by bee stings.

So, the intended comparison is between the two actions of been killed - 7 have been killed by the shark while more have been killed by bee stings. The correct answer choice presents this intended comparison between the two actions. Hence, we see the usage of the verb have been killed in the second part of the comparison.

Let's try to understand what meaning will the sentence conveyed if we add the number of people who.... In this structure, the action of been killed by the shark in the first part of the sentence will be compared to the number of people. So, the sentence ends up ungrammatically comparing an action with a noun entity. Please note that who have been killed by bee stings is just a modifier/descriptor for the noun the number of people.

Hence, to compare one action with another, we must mention a proper verb in the second part of the comparison as we see in Choice B.


Hope this helps. :-)
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Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies—fewer than have been killed by bee stings.
Remember that one of the qualities of parallel structure --- in some sense, the very point of parallelism --- is that we can omit a large number of common words as assumed. In the first clause, the subject is "seven people", or somewhat more formally, [number] people or "the number of people" --- those words are assumed in the second part of the sentence--- "fewer than the number of people that have been killed by bee stings", with the green part showing the common words that were properly omitted in the parallel structure. One could say --- the very point of parallelism is to omit such words.

- "fewer than the number of people that have been killed by bee stings", is what comes after the dash as mentioned by you.
If i compare this with the first clause i.e Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, People is the only word that is common with the first clause. The words ' number of ' and 'that' do not appear in the first clause.

So in this sentence i can assume that these words are a part of the clause even though these words are not explicitly mentioned in the sentence and cannot be derived implicitly from the concept of ellipsis?
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Hi experts,

Could someone please explain the role of fewer after the dash in answer choice B. I understand that fewer is an adjective and it should be describing "number of people killed by bee stings"

However, i think there is no conjunction between the 2 clauses.

First Clause: Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark
Second Clause: fewer than people have been killed by bee stings.

Whereas in answer choice D, you have the noun + noun modifier, so there is no need for a conjunction between the 2 clauses.

Could someone please explain me where am i going wrong.

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When we compare numbers, and numbers decrease, we can simply go back to using “less.”
• The population of Mongolia is less than that of Los Angeles.
• The cost of a night at the opera is less than total cost of a day at the ballgame.
• The melting point of zinc is less than that of copper.( BTW, “melting point” is a temperature, so it is indeed a number.)

Considering the above why cant A be correct in this case. ( It is comparing numbers and number decrease )
GMATNinja can you please clarify regarding this

I have found this topic in comparisons concept.
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renzofig The long dash is the most open-ended punctuation mark in the language, so I can understand the confusion. We can't all seem to agree on exactly how they should be used. Some people use them all the time and some people don't use them at all! The general idea is that the dash introduces some kind of break. Here are a few uses I've seen in official GMAT SC:

*Two dashes can set aside parenthetical information. In this way, it functions just like parentheses, which are--to my knowledge--never used in SC. (See how I used dashes to make a parenthetical just now? ;) )
https://gmatclub.com/forum/heirloom-tom ... ml#p570995
https://gmatclub.com/forum/each-of-hemi ... l#p2432441

*A single dash can be used to reintroduce an earlier subject, often so that we can apply a modifier. This is what we'd have if we used a dash in choice D. With a comma, we expect the appositive noun to apply to the preceding noun or noun phrase, but with a long dash we can see a bit more of a stretch.
https://gmatclub.com/forum/proponents-o ... l#p1988421

*A single dash can also introduce a modifier or fragment that applies back to something earlier in the sentence. That's what we have in A and B. The modifier "fewer" (or "less" in the wrong version) is referring back to the count of people killed.

*Sometimes a dash is used exactly where we'd expect a colon.
https://gmatclub.com/forum/yellow-jacke ... l#p2290086
https://gmatclub.com/forum/some-anthrop ... l#p1357746
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manvig You're right that we can use "less" to compare numbers or quantities, but in this case the subject isn't a number or quantity; it's seven people, so we need to go with a comparator for countable (plural) nouns.

Also, in some of the cases where people are using "less," we should use "lower." A melting point would be lower, not less, than another melting point. We aren't comparing how MUCH of something we have, but rather the point at which something happens. In any case, we often use "lower" to compare things like prices/salaries, temperatures, proportions, etc.
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warrior1991 wrote:
GMATNinja A lot of contention is going on between B and E. Though I marked B on the basis of tense parallelism (have been), why is E wrong?
Is this the tense parallelism factor that leads to E winning over B.

I also see some great explanation by mikemcgarry ,who says both B and E are correct. But at the end of the day we have to choose one option and we must have an explanation to reject the other.
I am not getting a reason to reject E. I rejected it on the basis of my instinct.

Please enlighten.

Yeah, (B) and (E) are pretty confusing. I could swear that I'd written a long explanation of this at some point, but I think that was only in my head. :idontknow:

So here's that explanation that was apparently trapped in my head, QOTD-style:

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Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies—less than those killed by bee stings.

(A) movies—less than those

I don't think anybody is tempted by this one. "Those" is a plural pronoun that logically needs to refer back to "people." So then we have "less than the people killed by bee stings" -- and that doesn't work, because "less" is a non-countable modifier, and "people" are definitely countable.

So (A) is out.

Quote:
(B) movies—fewer than have been

This seems fine. It sets up the comparison nicely: "seven people... have been killed by the great white shark", and that's "fewer than have been killed by bee stings." I'm not sure how we could ask for anything more from this one. Sure, you might be tempted to change this to "fewer PEOPLE than have been killed by bee stings", but it's perfectly clear without the word "people", right?

And in case you're wondering: honestly, I wouldn't waste any brain cells worrying about dashes. The world's best editors and grammar/style/usage experts don't fully agree on the correct use of dashes, and the GMAT really doesn't go crazy testing you on those nuances. More on dashes and other punctuation in this video.

Anyway, we can keep (B).


Hi Sir, i am confused with the usage — in A & B here. can you explain please? thank you very much!
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Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, - This is an independent clause
the man-eater of the movies – This is the modifier modifying the great white shark.
—less than those killed by bee stings.

A dash is used to add additional though to the main clause. We are comparing seven people which is a countable noun as we need to use few and hence less is incorrect. Less water/few balls.


(A) movies—less than those
We are comparing seven people which is a countable noun as we need to use few and hence less is incorrect. Less water/few balls.

(B) movies—fewer than have been
This appears to be the right choice.

(C) movies, which is less than those
, which modifies the preceding noun movies which is incorrect.

(D) movies, a number lower than the people
In this choice we are comparing the number with the people which changes the meaning of the sentence.

(E) movies, fewer than the ones
(E) compares the number of people killed by the sharks to the specific people killed by bee stings
Hence Answer is B.
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