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# Organized in 1966 by the Fish and Wildlife Service, the

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01 Nov 2010, 21:53
Tricky one that! Picked C after spending 1:40 mts
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02 Nov 2010, 00:20
(B) to monitor population changes of as many, or
Changes in population is preferred.
'as many' should be 'as many as.'

Better answer would have been 'to monitor changes in the populations of as many as, or', which keeps the original meaning.

However, we must go with C because grammar proceeds meaning in GMAT.

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09 Nov 2010, 10:06
I have seen many other OA with as many as or more than, so what's wrong with A?

And aside from that, why you dont like D and E?

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As ...As or more than ---idiomatic
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B and C are the candidates. seems to be unreliable question.
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07 Apr 2011, 13:55
In A could for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of modify annual roadside counts along established routes?
for monitoring : is it a noun modifier or adverb modifier
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Organized in 1966 by the Fish and Wildlife Service, the Breeding Bird Survey uses annual roadside counts along established routes for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of more than 250 bird species, including 180 songbirds.

(A) for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of
(B) to monitor population changes of as many, or
(C) to monitor changes in the populations of
(D) that monitors population changes of
(E) that monitors changes in populations of as many as, or

Originally posted by batel on 15 Sep 2013, 00:54.
Last edited by pqhai on 15 Sep 2013, 01:15, edited 1 time in total.
Please underline the question and use the first sentence to name a topic.
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Organized in 1966 by the Fish and Wildlife Service, the Breeding Bird Survey uses annual roadside counts along established routes for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of more than 250 bird species, including 180 songbirds.

(A) for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of
Wrong. "use X to monitor Y" is correct. "use X for monitoring Y" is not correct when we want to convey purpose of action.

(B) to monitor population changes of as many, or
Wrong. "as many, or more than" is wrong. ==> Correct structure is "as many as, or more than".

(C) to monitor changes in the populations of
Correct. "use X to monitor Y" is correct. Infinitive conveys better meaning than gerund.

(D) that monitors population changes of
Wrong. "that" modifies the CLOSET noun - established routes --> wrong because routes can't monitor population changes.

(E) that monitors changes in populations of as many as, or
Wrong. Same as D.

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pierrealexandre77 wrote:
Organized in 1966 by the Fish and Wildlife Service, the Breeding Bird Survey uses annual roadside counts along established routes for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of more than 250 bird species, including 180 songbirds.

(A) for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of
(B) to monitor population changes of as many, or
(C) to monitor changes in the populations of
(D) that monitors population changes of
(E) that monitors changes in populations of as many as, or

[spoiler=C[/spoiler]

I'm quite confused with this SC question. It seems that OA is modifying the meaning of the original sentence.
as many as or more than is not equal to more than...

Even if the contruction seems good, i'm really surprised such a question could have validated a change in the meaning.

Organised in 66 BBS uses Counts …………monitor ……..as many as or more than ……………
You will find that as many / of more than synonymous; A is wrong. Now we have to find which options has used either as many as OR or of more than. Options B does not completely use as many as; as - missing -wrong. Option D &E uses that which wrongly directs the subject as counts rather than BBS; hence wrong. Again its idiomatically wrong to use that monitors than to monitor. Again option D changes the meaning - the population changes !!!. Hece the correct answer C.

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30 Nov 2014, 18:24
BBS uses XX ...to/for is ok. That is completely out, since that points to routes but meaning say they use counts so eliminate D,E.

lots look at A, for monitoring of population changes...its little awkward sentence. hold on.
B/C: BBS uses XX to monitor population/changes logically its should be changes not population because a change in number/count is used. so B out.

between A/C, C is best due to concise sentence structure and meaning.

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Organized in 1966 by the Fish and Wildlife Service, the Breeding Bird Survey uses annual roadside counts along established routes for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of more than 250 bird species, including 180 songbirds.

(A) for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of
(B) to monitor population changes of as many, or
(C) to monitor changes in the populations of
(D) that monitors population changes of
(E) that monitors changes in populations of as many as, or

I'm quite confused with this SC question. It seems that OA is modifying the meaning of the original sentence.
as many as or more than is not equal to more than...

Even if the contruction seems good, i'm really surprised such a question could have validated a change in the meaning.

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pierrealexandre77 wrote:
Organized in 1966 by the Fish and Wildlife Service, the Breeding Bird Survey uses annual roadside counts along established routes for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of more than 250 bird species, including 180 songbirds.

(A) for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of
(B) to monitor population changes of as many, or
(C) to monitor changes in the populations of
(D) that monitors population changes of
(E) that monitors changes in populations of as many as, or

I'm quite confused with this SC question. It seems that OA is modifying the meaning of the original sentence.
as many as or more than is not equal to more than...

Even if the contruction seems good, i'm really surprised such a question could have validated a change in the meaning.

I stumbled upon this golden post in MGMAT.
https://www.manhattanprep.com/gmat/foru ... 17266.html

It says - as many as would imply less than or equal to 250 whereas more than would imply greater than 250. Thus, A is not saying anything. Therefore the original sentence is illogical!
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05 Aug 2016, 00:35
egmat

Can you clarify why option d and e are wrong. I understand that the "to+verb" is used to express purpose but some of the posts here mention that the "that" seems to refer to routes. However "that" is a singular pronoun and as such can only refer to the survey.
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Can you clarify why option d and e are wrong. I understand that the "to+verb" is used to express purpose but some of the posts here mention that the "that" seems to refer to routes. However "that" is a singular pronoun and as such can only refer to the survey.

Even after considering that "that" is used correctly, there are other errors which rule out choices (D) & (E)
(D) that monitors population changes of - incorrect usage
(E) that monitors changes in populations of as many as, or - awkward usage

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pierrealexandre77 wrote:
Organized in 1966 by the Fish and Wildlife Service, the Breeding Bird Survey uses annual roadside counts along established routes for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of more than 250 bird species, including 180 songbirds.

(A) for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of
(B) to monitor population changes of as many, or
(C) to monitor changes in the populations of
(D) that monitors population changes of
(E) that monitors changes in populations of as many as, or

I'm quite confused with this SC question. It seems that OA is modifying the meaning of the original sentence.
as many as or more than is not equal to more than...

Even if the contruction seems good, i'm really surprised such a question could have validated a change in the meaning.

An easy C
we need an infinitive of purpose and the same is given the answer choices B and C
But in as many, or is wrong we need as many as or something else. thogh there use of as many or is redundant.
C is correct. it is free from any grammatical mistakes and logical flaws.
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@daagh : please check, whether "changes in populations of" is correct.
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Organized in 1966 by the Fish and Wildlife Service, the Breeding Bird Survey uses annual roadside counts along established routes for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of more than 250 bird species, including 180 songbirds.

(A) for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of - for monitoring is unidiomatic ; as many as , or of more than is non-sense
"as many as or more than [number]" can refer to absolutely ANY NUMBER AT ALL.
"as many as or more than 100"
—> "as many as 100" means "≤ 100"
—> "more than 100" means "> 100"
—> taken together, these cover literally every possible number in the world.
(B) to monitor population changes of as many, or - as many as, or more than -- as is missing here
(C) to monitor changes in the populations of - Correct
(D) that monitors population changes of - the pronoun that has no singular noun (required by the verb monitors) to which it can logically or grammatically refer.
(E) that monitors changes in populations of as many as, or - same as D

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28 Nov 2017, 10:58
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@daagh : please check, whether "changes in populations of" is correct.

Hello IIMC,

I am not sure of you still have the same doubt. Here is my two cents nonetheless.

The expression changes in the populations of has been used in the correct answer choice of the said official sentence. This means that it is a correct expression.

The word populations has been used to refer to population of more than 250 bird bird species, each species having individual population.

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28 Nov 2017, 11:14
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Can you clarify why option d and e are wrong. I understand that the "to+verb" is used to express purpose but some of the posts here mention that the "that" seems to refer to routes. However "that" is a singular pronoun and as such can only refer to the survey.

Hello rishi02,

I know this a very old doubt. However, the reply may just help someone who may have the similar doubt.

When that is used as a relative pronoun modifier to modify the preceding noun entity, it can modify both singular and plural noun entity. When used just as a pronoun to refer to a noun or a pronoun in the sentence, that acts as singular pronoun and as such refers only to a singular noun entity.

In the official sentence in discussion, that has been used as the noun modifier in Choices D and E.

In both these choices, that is meant to modify the noun entity annual roadside counts along established routes. So essentially, that modifies the plural noun annual roadside counts**. Hence it must take plural verb. But in Choices D and E, that takes singular verb monitors. Hence, we do have SV number agreement error here.

** Here, we see the case of far-away noun modification by the noun modifier that that modifies the noun entity placed a bit far-away from the modifier. This is absolutely correct modification. How this modification works has been covered in great details in our very popular article named Noun Modifiers can modify a slightly far-away Noun in the following link:
https://gmatclub.com/forum/noun-modifiers-can-modify-slightly-far-away-noun-135868.html

Hope this helps.
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12 Jun 2018, 23:28
Hi experts/ daagh,

What I understood from reading sentence is survey has monitored population changes of 250(as many as) or more than 250 birds.

(B) to monitor population changes of as many, or

B only keeps this meaning. B has one 'as' missing, but we can take it as implied 'as'(?).

(C) to monitor changes in the populations of

C is right according to idiom but changes meaning.
We are supposed to extract meaning from original underline and GMAT don't change meaning in options but this question is official one.

Kindly let me know the gap in my understanding.

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