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My Confusion here is the starting of the sentence - Out of America's fascination...
It seemed to me as a clause and was expecting a comma, after which i would find a noun it is modifying. Can somebody please explain me this structure.

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My Confusion here is the starting of the sentence - Out of America's fascination...
It seemed to me as a clause and was expecting a comma, after which i would find a noun it is modifying. Can somebody please explain me this structure.


Hi rakshithbabu,
I'm not sure whether I understood your question correctly but let me try to answer your question.

Here is the correct sentence:

Out of America's fascination with all things antique has grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that is bringing back the chaise lounge, the overstuffed sofa, and the claw-footed bathtub.

This is a simple subject-verb inversion and usually such sentences start with an adverb followed by a verb and a subject. For example,

Hardly did he study for GMAT, yet he could score so well.

Here, note that inverting the sentence added extra emphasis or surprise on the fact the he "hardly" studied.

In this sentence also, Out of America's fascination with all things antique is an adverbial phrase, then we have the verb has grown and the noun phrase a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures

I hope the structure is clear to you now.

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My Confusion here is the starting of the sentence - Out of America's fascination...
It seemed to me as a clause and was expecting a comma, after which i would find a noun it is modifying. Can somebody please explain me this structure.


Hi rakshithbabu,
I'm not sure whether I understood your question correctly but let me try to answer your question.

Here is the correct sentence:

Out of America's fascination with all things antique has grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that is bringing back the chaise lounge, the overstuffed sofa, and the claw-footed bathtub.

This is a simple subject-verb inversion and usually such sentences start with an adverb followed by a verb and a subject. For example,

Hardly did he study for GMAT, yet he could score so well.

Here, note that inverting the sentence added extra emphasis or surprise on the fact the he "hardly" studied.

In this sentence also, Out of America's fascination with all things antique is an adverbial phrase, then we have the verb has grown and the noun phrase a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures

I hope the structure is clear to you now.


Hi TeamGMATIFY thanks for the explanation,
If i get it right,

Subject = a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures
Verb = Grow (in the form has grown)
Modifier = Out of America's fascination with all things antique( which modifies the verb grow)

So re arranging the sentence to understand it better

A market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures has grown, out of America's fascination with all things antique, bringing back the chaise lounge, the overstuffed sofa, and the claw-footed bathtub.

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HI rakshithbabu

if you invert the correct sentence, it will be:

A market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that is bringing back the chaise lounge, the overstuffed sofa, and the claw-footed bathtub has grown out of America's fascination with all things antique.

After looking at this sentence, you can now appreciate the inverted construction used in the original sentence as presence of the noun modifier "that is bringing back the chaise lounge, the overstuffed sofa, and the claw-footed bathtub" in the middle has made the sentence almost unreadable.
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subject: A market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures
Modifier modifying the subject market: that is bringing back the chaise lounge, the overstuffed sofa, and the claw-footed bathtub
verb: has grown
Verb modifier or adverbial modifier: out of America's fascination with all things antique.

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Wow this explanation is much helpful.. Got it..
thx very much TeamGMATIFY

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There are two examples akin to this topic: one, an original from OG verbal and another, simulated by Princeton

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OG's version --- OG #116.

Out of America's fascination with all things antique have grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that are bringing back the chaise lounge, the overstuffed sofa, and the claw-footed bathtub.

A) things antique have grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that are bringing
B) things antique has grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that is bringing
C) things that are antiques has grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that bring
D) antique things have grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that are bringing
E) antique things has grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that bring
The OA is B


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Out of this season's obsession with all things political have grown a market for official memorabilia and trinkets that are flooding the shops with t-shirts, bumper stickers and lapel pins.

A. things political have grown a market for official memorabilia and trinkets that are flooding
B. things political has grown a market for official memorabilia and trinkets that is flooding
C. things that are political has grown a market for official memorabilia and trinkets that floods
D. political things have grown a market for official memorabilia and trinkets that are flooding
E. political things has grown a market for official memorabilia and trinkets that floods
In this, also the OA is B.


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Out of the public's interest in the details of and conflicts in other people's lives have grown a booming market for "reality" television shows, which are bringing “regular" people onto the television screen with increasing frequency.

A. other people's lives have grown a booming market for "reality" television shows, which are bringing
B. other people's lives has grown a booming market for "reality" television shows, which are bringing
C. another people's lives has grown a booming market for "reality" television shows, which is bringing
D. other people's lives has grown a booming market for "reality" television shows, which is bringing
E. other people's lives has grown a booming market for "reality" television shows, which bring
Kaplan’s OA is D. (the same as B in other questions)


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Out of the public's interest in the details of and conflicts in other people's lives have grown a booming market for "reality" television shows that are bringing "regular" people onto the television screen with increasing frequency.

(A) other people's lives have grown a booming market for "reality" television shows that are bringing
(B) other people's lives has grown a booming market for "reality" television shows that are bringing
(C) another person's life has grown a booming market for a "reality" television show that is bringing
(D) other people's lives has grown a booming market for "reality" television shows that is bringing
(E) other people's lives has grown a booming market for "reality" television shows that bring


this is a rip-off of OG11 #116... and not a very good one. a legitimate case could be made for either (b) or (d).

here's the analysis:

1) THE SUBJECT OF "HAS/HAVE GROWN" IS "A BOOMING MARKET"
the entire cluster of words that precedes this verb is a prepositional phrase, and so can't contain the subject. therefore, this must be a reverse construction, in which the subject comes after the verb.
the subject is, therefore "a booming market".

this is also the only subject that is reasonable in context -- nothing else in the sentence has "grown".)

therefore, the correct verb is "has".

simpler analogy:
on the table (is / are) two cell phones. ,
"on the table" isn't the subject (it's a prepositional phrase, so that's impossible). therefore, the subject, "two cell phones", FOLLOWS the verb. (the correct choice would be "are".)

--

2) THERE IS INSUFFICIENT CONTEXT TO DETERMINE THE SUBJECT OF "IS/ARE BRINGING"

...aaaaaaaannnnndd this is where we start to have a problem.

in the current context, BOTH of these are perfectly reasonable interpretations:

* the market (for reality tv shows) IS bringing people onto the screen increasingly frequently;
* the tv shows themselves ARE bringing people onto the screen increasingly frequently.

they're also both grammatical, since "that" modifiers have a certain degree of freedom in their application -- unlike "which" modifiers, they aren't constrained to modifying the closest noun. (see OG DIAGNOSTIC #50, in the 11th or 12th edition, for another example of a flexible "that" modifier.)

therefore, it is impossible to tell which of these is the intended subject -- both are reasonable in context -- and, therefore, it's impossible to determine whether the verb should be singular or plural.

therefore, either (b) or (d).

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what's the source of this question?
you would think that people who are essentially copying an OG problem, and substituting different words, could, at least, make a problem with only one correct answer.
heh.


However, the takeaway seems to be that GMAC particularly is not so worried about the touch rule of ‘that’, as others are.
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I have the 2015 version of Kaplan, and OA is E....

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The "intervening phrases and modifiers" would be frequently of the following types; identifying them may be useful to "keep track of the subject". The examples below are kept simple so as to aid in identifying / reducing more complex cases to such simple ones:

1. Prepositional phrase: The house beside the river was owned by John.
2. Subordinate clause modifier: The house that stands beside the river was owned by John.
3. Past participle phrase modifier: The house built beside the river was owned by John.
4. Present participle phrase modifier: The house standing beside the river was owned by John.
5. Absolute phrase modifier: The house - its colour not faded in years - is owned by John.

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Out of the public's interest in the details of and conflicts in other people's lives have grown a booming market for "reality" television shows, which are bringing "regular" people onto the television screen with increasing frequency.

A. other people's lives have grown a booming market for "reality" television shows, which are bringing
B. other people's lives has grown a booming market for "reality" television shows, which are bringing
C. another people's lives has grown a booming market for "reality" television shows, which is bringing
D. other people's lives has grown a booming market for "reality" television shows, which is bringing
E. other people's lives has grown a booming market for "reality" television shows, which bring

Guys please reason out your answer to this question!


The answer is D.
public interest in the singular subject and requires a singular verb 'has'. Further booming market also acts a singular subject and requires a singular verb is.

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Out of the public's interest in the details of and conflicts in other people's lives have grown a booming market for "reality" television shows, which are bringing "regular" people onto the television screen with increasing frequency.

A. other people's lives have grown a booming market for "reality" television shows, which are bringing
B. other people's lives has grown a booming market for "reality" television shows, which are bringing
C. another people's lives has grown a booming market for "reality" television shows, which is bringing
D. other people's lives has grown a booming market for "reality" television shows, which is bringing
E. other people's lives has grown a booming market for "reality" television shows, which bring

Guys please reason out your answer to this question!


The answer is D.
public interest in the singular subject and requires a singular verb 'has'. Further booming market also acts a singular subject and requires a singular verb is.



Wrong. The answer is E. "Which is bringing" should reference the television shows. Television shows is plural. (They bring, or they ARE BRINGING, not they IS BRINGING).

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Out of America's fascination with all things antique have grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that are bringing back the chaise lounge, the overstuffed sofa, and the claw footed bathtub.

1.things antique have grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that are bringing
2.things antique has grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that is bringing
3.things that are antiques has grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that bring
4.antique things have grown a market for bygone styles of furniture that are bringing
5.antique things has grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that bring
[OG 10th Edition]



Prompt : - This is a sentence with the reverse side subject. Example: In the garage, there were two cars.

Choice A) Just like the cars were the subject in the prev sentence the , a market is the subject. So the plural verb in the choice A is incorrect. There is one more problem with choice A concerning that clause. --- market for bygone styles of furnitures and fixtures that are bringing. The question tries to trap us into thinking that the verb are is referring to the combined nouns furnitures and fixtures. However, the 'that' is modifying the noun market. So this part is again wrong.

Choice B) correct

Choice C) Again plural bring referring to the market.

Choice D and E again have similar problems just like A and C

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The critical thing to decide here is, whether
1. it is a market that is bringing back
2. it is the bygone styles that are bringing back
3. it is the furniture or the fixtures that are bringing back
First grammar:
Considering that, a market is the true subject of the sentence, as all choices with the plural verb ‘have grown’ are out. So, let’s dump A and D.
Now, let’s move on to the meaning mode. The question is whether a market can bring back or bygone styles can bring back. The already bygone style cannot bring back the antique furniture. It should be only a growing market that can highlight a trend and cash in on it. Hence, we can reasonably make bold to drop C and E and go for B.
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The critical thing to decide here is, whether
1. it is a market that is bringing back
2. it is the bygone styles that are bringing back
3. it is the furniture or the fixtures that are bringing back
First grammar:
Considering that, a market is the true subject of the sentence, as all choices with the plural verb ‘have grown’ are out. So, let’s dump A and D.
Now, let’s move on to the meaning mode. The question is whether a market can bring back or bygone styles can bring back. The already bygone style cannot bring back the antique furniture. It should be only a growing market that can highlight a trend and cash in on it. Hence, we can reasonably make bold to drop C and E and go for B.



I have a query here. Can "THAT" refer to the far away noun "THE MARKET" as the case here? Can you please help me on understanding the usage of THAT here, in this sentence.? Thanks.

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Let’s see it this way. You are referring to the structural placement of the pronoun that. I have tried to explain through the meaning. What happens when the word just prior to the pronoun happens to be not so appropriate in comparison to some other potentially eligible choice? In my opinion, both the inanimate fixtures and furniture and the bygone styles are not dynamic enough to reverse a bygone trend and resurrect it. On the contrary, a live and kicking market can do the trick.
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I have a query here. Can "THAT" refer to the far away noun "THE MARKET" as the case here? Can you please help me on understanding the usage of THAT here, in this sentence.? Thanks.

daagh has already explained this from multiple perspectives.

Adding further, that, when used as a relative pronoun, can in fact refer to quite faraway nouns!

Following is an official question:

Written in ink or engraved by stylus, more than 2,000 letters and documents on wooden tablets excavated at the site of the old roman fort at vindolanda in northern England are yielding a historical account of the military garrison in the first and second centuries that is as vivid in its details of personal life as that gathered from Pompeii

Notice how that is modifying a really faraway noun: historical account.

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I have a query here. Can "THAT" refer to the far away noun "THE MARKET" as the case here? Can you please help me on understanding the usage of THAT here, in this sentence.? Thanks.

daagh has already explained this from multiple perspectives.

Adding further, that, when used as a relative pronoun, can in fact refer to quite faraway nouns!

Following is an official question:

Written in ink or engraved by stylus, more than 2,000 letters and documents on wooden tablets excavated at the site of the old roman fort at vindolanda in northern England are yielding a historical account of the military garrison in the first and second centuries that is as vivid in its details of personal life as that gathered from Pompeii

Notice how that is modifying a really faraway noun: historical account.


p.s. Our book EducationAisle Sentence Correction Nirvana discusses the usage of that, its application and examples in significant detail. If someone is interested, PM me your email-id, I can mail the corresponding section.


Thanks EducationAisle.
From a grammatical standpoint, If we see a 'that' pronoun, should we ignore the nouns in the prepositional phrase preceding it ? Or there can be counter examples where that can actually refer to the noun in the preceding prepositional phrase. I have come up with an example below.

I bought a house in the town that is close to the sea beach

It causes some ambiguity right? Is house close close to beach or is it that it in a town that is close to the beach?

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If we see a 'that' pronoun, should we ignore the nouns in the prepositional phrase preceding it ?

Not at all. There is pretty much no role of prepositional phrases, when you're looking at finding out the antecedent of that.

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I bought a house in the town that is close to the sea beach

It causes some ambiguity right? Is house close close to beach or is it that it in a town that is close to the beach?

I would say that it's very clear that the town is close to the sea beach.
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