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Over 75 percent of the energy produced in France derives from nuclear power, while in Germany it is just over 33 percent.

(A) while in Germany it is just over 33 percent
(B) compared to Germany, which uses just over 33 percent
(C) whereas nuclear power accounts for just over 33 percent of the energy produced in Germany
(D) whereas just over 33 percent of the energy comes from nuclear power in Germany
(E) compared with the energy from nuclear power in Germany, where it is just over 33 percent
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Only D maintains ||ism.
Over 75 percent of the energy produced in France derives from nuclear power ,whereas just over 33 percent of the energy comes from nuclear power in Germany

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Will go with D.
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Over 75 percent of the energy produced in France derives from nuclear power,whereas nuclear power accounts for just over 33 percent of the energy produced in Germany

tricky! huh

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Over 75% of the energy produced in France derives from nuclear power, while in Germany it is just over 33%.

(A) while in Germany it is just over 33%
(B) compared to Germany, which uses just over 33%
(C) whereas nuclear power accounts for just over 33% of the energy produced in Germany
(D) whereas just over 33% of the energy comes from nuclear power in Germany
(E) compared with the energy from nuclear power in Germany, where it is just over 33%

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This question has been posted before. I'll give you a hint, not always the longer answers are wrong. Also watch for faulty parallelisms, pronouns missing antecedents and changes in meaning for the wrong options here. I agree it's a brutal one but you should be able to eliminate the wrong ones based on the mistakes I listed above. Thoughts?

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This question has been posted before. I'll give you a hint, not always the longer answers are wrong. Also watch for faulty parallelisms, pronouns missing antecedents and changes in meaning for the wrong options here. I agree it's a brutal one but you should be able to eliminate the wrong ones based on the mistakes I listed above. Thoughts?


Yes thats a great approach. Faulty parallelism is the trap here.
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specifically for this question you need to look at whether the comparisons are parallel, that is whether the comparison makes sense ;)

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IMO : C

Indeed a challenging one when you are tired after the quant section on the D day..

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I agree with C. papillon86, what in particular are you struggling with in this question? Would it help if I went over all the options one by one?

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Yes Ariel that would definitely help.

I'll make it easier for you.

I am particularly struggling with choice C & D here.
I could eliminate the rest of them.


Lately, i've been facing problems in identifying missing antecedents for pronouns too. Just not very confident about it.
Can we discuss your approach?

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Sure, let's go over the options one by one.

A) Here 'it' is missing an antecedent, I'm sure you got this. 'It' logically should stand for something like the proportion of energy derived from nuclear power. We can't use the noun/phrase in the preceding clause because that refers to the energy produced in France.

B) This sentence is really bad - there is faulty parallelism ('compared to Germany' is not parallel to anything). Also the sentence says that Germany "uses" something, but France doesn't, again parallelism issues.

C) This option is correct

D) This option is ambiguous. A likely meaning for this sentence the way it's written is that there is energy we don't know where that comes from nuclear power in Germany. All this is telling us is that there's nuclear power in Germany that is used to produce some type of energy. What this sentence refers to by "the energy" could be any energy ANYWHERE. Note that the way this sentence is written doesn't necessarily mean that the energy is in Germany, which is what might be what's confusing you.

E) Again, "it" doesn't have a legitimate antecedent. Also there's another faulty comparison in this option. It's comparing percentage of energy to energy.

Hope this helps a bit.

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Just found this post interesting. I will try to reason why D is wrong.

D) whereas just over 33% of the energy comes from nuclear power in Germany

It means that 33% of the energy produced in France comes from the nuclear power in Germany.

E.g I have a car; the car is red in color. "the car" refers to the same car in the previous sentence.

Now apply the same here -
"the" is determiner -> "the energy" about which we had spoken --> We had spoken about "the energy produced in France"

Over 75% of the energy produced in France derives from nuclear power, whereas just over 33% of the energy comes from nuclear power in Germany

Gotcha ! Ohh so just over 33% the energy produced in France comes from nuclear power in Germany. That's crap.
D is OUT Change of Meaning


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Sure, let's go over the options one by one.

A) Here 'it' is missing an antecedent, I'm sure you got this. 'It' logically should stand for something like the proportion of energy derived from nuclear power. We can't use the noun/phrase in the preceding clause because that refers to the energy produced in France.

B) This sentence is really bad - there is faulty parallelism ('compared to Germany' is not parallel to anything). Also the sentence says that Germany "uses" something, but France doesn't, again parallelism issues.

C) This option is correct

D) This option is ambiguous. A likely meaning for this sentence the way it's written is that there is energy we don't know where that comes from nuclear power in Germany. All this is telling us is that there's nuclear power in Germany that is used to produce some type of energy. What this sentence refers to by "the energy" could be any energy ANYWHERE. Note that the way this sentence is written doesn't necessarily mean that the energy is in Germany, which is what might be what's confusing you.

E) Again, "it" doesn't have a legitimate antecedent. Also there's another faulty comparison in this option. It's comparing percentage of energy to energy.

Hope this helps a bit.

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Can we please discuss some examples involving multiple antecedents for projouns like "it".

Really confusing me now.



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Hey nusmavrik, you explained option (D) really well. It is a very subtle thing to notice but a great question

I would appreciate if you can explain option C in the same simple way as you explained (D) because option (C) also has "the" before the word "energy". How can we justify "the energy" in option (C).

(C) whereas nuclear poweraccounts for just over 33% of the energy produced in Germany

D) whereas just over 33% of the energy comes from nuclear power in Germany

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Can we please discuss some examples involving multiple antecedents for projouns like "it".

Really confusing me now.



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Over 75% of the energy produced in France derives from nuclear power, while in Germany it is just over 33%.
A) while in Germany it is just over 33%
B) compared to Germany, which uses just over 33%
C) whereas nuclear poweraccounts for just over 33% of the energy produced in Germany
D) whereas just over 33% of the energy comes from nuclear power in Germany
E) compared with the energy from nuclear power in Germany, where it is just over 33%

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Hi papillon86,

The reason that you cannot use "it" is because you are not comparing something to itself.

A tip regarding comparisons!

To compare something to itself, use "it" or "they".
Ex. The legs of chair A are more wobbly than they were yesterday.

To compare one thing to another, use "that" or "those".
Ex. The legs of chair A are more wobbly than those of chair B.

Thus, in the problem above, you do not want to compare the amount of energy produced in France to itself. Instead, the sentence seeks to compare the percentage of energy produced by nuclear power in France to the percentage of energy produced by nuclear power in Germany.

Does that help at all?

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The same was discussed on BTG.com ..
Pretty good reasoning given out there...

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This one has not been clarified yet.
For me D is the best (||), but oa is C.
Please clarify.
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hey noboru,

the below explanation should help.

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Quote:D) whereas just over 33% of the energy comes from nuclear power in Germany

this sentence is written in a way whose meaning is at best ambiguous and at worst incorrect.

one possible meaning, if not the meaning, is that 33% of "the energy" (we don't know where this energy is, or where it's used) comes from "nuclear power in germany". i.e., the power itself is in germany (whatever that means), but "the energy" is we-don't-know-where.

Quote:E) compared with the energy from nuclear power in Germany, where it is just over 33%

first, false comparison: the earlier part doesn't mention "the energy from nuclear power in france", so this isn't parallel. (the earlier part mentions a percentage of ALL power in france.)

second, and more obviously, the pronoun "it" doesn't have a legitimate antecedent, for essentially the same reason as in (a).

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Over 75% of the energy produced in France derives from nuclear power, while in Germany it is just over 33%.
A) while in Germany it is just over 33%
B) compared to Germany, which uses just over 33%
C) whereas nuclear poweraccounts for just over 33% of the energy produced in Germany
D) whereas just over 33% of the energy comes from nuclear power in Germany
E) compared with the energy from nuclear power in Germany, where it is just over 33%.

I have the following doubts with these questions:

a) In choice C, the subject in the first part of the comparison is "over 75 percent of the energy produced in France", while the subject in the second part is "nuclear power". How can these be parallel? Also, based on the explanations of other questions, the compared clauses should be parallel in structure, so the second clause should be something like "(whereas) just over 33 percent of the energy produced in Germany comes from nuclear power". As you can see, now both structures are similar and the things that are compared are logically parallel (percentage vs. percentage). I don't understand, how C can be correct.

If you see choice E, my analysis would be correct. There, the sentence compares "over 75 percent of the energy produced in France" vs. "energy from nuclear power in Germany": not parallel.

b) In choice E, the OE says that "it" is ambiguous, and Ron Purewal (MGMAT) mentions that "it" doesn't have an antecedent. But I think that "it" refers to "the energy from nuclear power in Germany". I think that there is no problem with "it". If you replace the pronoun for that noun, it works.

Please, your help with this problem.
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