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It cannot be D, because D doesn't states that All German philosophers are idealists (except for Marx of course). Answer D just states that Marx is not an idealist german philosopher.

I think OA misses word "philosophers", Aside from the philosopher Marx, if someone is a German PHILOSOPHER, then he or she is an idealist.

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All German philosophers, except for Marx, are idealists.

From which of the following can the statement above be most properly inferred?

D) Marx is not an idealist German philosopher.

E) Aside from the philosopher Marx, if someone is a German philosopher, then he or she is an idealist.

Why is D wrong?
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All German philosophers, except for Marx, are idealists.

From which of the following can the statement above be most properly inferred?

D) Marx is not an idealist German philosopher.

E) Aside from the philosopher Marx, if someone is a German philosopher, then he or she is an idealist.

Why is D wrong?


Here you must be careful to read the question: it asks which answer choice will let you draw the conclusion in the stem. It is *not* asking you which answer choice is a correct conclusion based on the stem. The question is set up 'backwards'.

So if you start with D, that 'Marx is not an idealist German philosopher', would it follow logically that 'All German philosophers besides Marx are idealists?' No, you only have information about Marx, not about any other German philosophers. So D is out. E on the other hand, is really just a rephrasing of the stem, so you can certainly draw the conclusion in the stem if you know answer E.
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All German philosphers, except for Marx, are idealists.

From which of the following can the statement above be most properly inferred?

1. Except for Marx, if someone is an idealist philosopher, then he or she is German.
2. Marx is the only non-German philosopher who is an idealist.
3. If a German is an idealist, then he or she is a philosopher, as long as he or she is not Marx.
4. Marx is not an idealist German philosopher.
5. Aside from the philosopher Marx, if someone is a German, then he or she is an idealist.



Let me try and break this down...

Question - Which of the answer choices from can the question stem be properly inferred? Not the other way around. Or in other words once the answer choice is established as a premise, the question stem can be inferred.

Since everyone pretty much arrives at option E, lets analyze the statement in detail.

Aside from the philosopher Marx, if someone is a German, then he or she is an idealist.

All germans except for marx are ideaists...

It can be inferred that all german philosophers (Since they are german) are idealists. So would all german doctors, assasins and bus drivers.
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All German philosphers, except for Marx, are idealists.

From which of the following can the statement above be most properly inferred?

1. Except for Marx, if someone is an idealist philosopher, then he or she is German.
2. Marx is the only non-German philosopher who is an idealist.
3. If a German is an idealist, then he or she is a philosopher, as long as he or she is not Marx.
4. Marx is not an idealist German philosopher.
5. Aside from the philosopher Marx, if someone is a German, then he or she is an idealist.



Let me try and break this down...

Question - Which of the answer choices from can the question stem be properly inferred? Not the other way around. Or in other words once the answer choice is established as a premise, the question stem can be inferred.

Since everyone pretty much arrives at option E, lets analyze the statement in detail.

Aside from the philosopher Marx, if someone is a German, then he or she is an idealist.

All germans except for marx are ideaists...

It can be inferred that all german philosophers (Since they are german) are idealists. So would all german doctors, assasins and bus drivers.


Hi Transcendentalist

Its nowhere mentioned that All germans are idealist. Hence E can be correct only if philosopher is inserted. Please can you clarifiy if i am missing any point. Refer to the attached venn diagram to explain the question stem.



Ankur - How would you explain this statement?

Aside from the philosopher Marx, if someone is a German, then he or she is an idealist...


I would explain it as below
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All German philosphers, except for Marx, are idealists.

From which of the following can the statement above be most properly inferred?

A. Except for Marx, if someone is an idealist philosopher, then he or she is German.

B. Marx is the only non-German philosopher who is an idealist.

C. If a German is an idealist, then he or she is a philosopher, as long as he or she is not Marx.

D. Marx is not an idealist German philosopher.

E. Aside from the philosopher Marx, if someone is a German philosopher, then he or she is an idealist.



Option A: The prompt talks about German philosophers who are not Marx. Option A talks about all philosophers except Marx. This subtle difference makes Option A incorrect.

Option B: If Marx is a non-German philosopher who is an idealist, the correct inference would be All non-German philosophers, except Marx are non-idealists. Option B is incorrect.

Option C: This option reverses the conditions of an idealist and a philosopher. Therefore, it is incorrect.

Option D: This is subtle. If Marx is not an idealist German philosopher, there would be doubts such as "is Marx not an idealist?" or "is Marx not a German?" or "is Marx not a philosopher?" Because of so many doubts, option D is incorrect.

Option E: This option establishes Marx as a philosopher. It also undoes the problematic reversal observed in Option C. Therefore, E is the correct answer.
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All German philosphers, except for Marx, are idealists.

From which of the following can the statement above be most properly inferred?


A. Except for Marx, if someone is an idealist philosopher, then he or she is German.

B. Marx is the only non-German philosopher who is an idealist.

C. If a German is an idealist, then he or she is a philosopher, as long as he or she is not Marx.

D. Marx is not an idealist German philosopher.

E. Aside from the philosopher Marx, if someone is a German philosopher, then he or she is an idealist.


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Read carefully! You're asked to pick the choice from which the statement can be derived, and that's (E): If, as (E) says, anyone who is a German philosopher is an idealist except for the philosopher Marx, then all German philosophers except for Marx are idealists. That being the case, it would certainly be true that, as the stimulus says, with the exception of Marx, all German philosophers-these folks being a subset of all Germans-are idealists. Now while (E)'s claim that all German philosophers are idealists may sound a bit absurd to you (perhaps you know some German philosophers who aren't idealists), we're concerned with strict logic here, not content.

(A) tells us that except for Marx, if someone's an idealist philosopher, then he or she is German, which is precisely the opposite of what we need: Knowing that all idealist philosophers (except Marx) are German doesn't prove that all German philosophers are idealists, because there could be other kinds of German philosophers. Since the stimulus statement tells us that Marx is a German philosopher who's not an idealist, (B), which contradicts this, is wrong. (C) lets us conclude that German idealists who aren't Marx are philosophers, but we need to conclude that German philosophers (except Marx) are idealists. As for (D), like the stimulus statement, it tells us that Marx isn't an idealist German philosopher, but we need a statement that ensures that every other German philosopher besides Marx is an idealist.
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The answer choice D is not incorrect, but answer choice E is better. I doubt whether GMAT allows that much ambiguity.
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Tamalmallick13 That would be a problem, but D would only work if we had been asked to infer an answer from the given statement. The question is asking us which ANSWER would allow us to infer the given statement, so it's kind of a reverse question. D only tells us about Marx, so we can't infer anything about other philosophers.
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A. Except for Marx, if someone is an idealist philosopher, then he or she is German.
They might be an outsider a non-german

B. Marx is the only non-German philosopher who is an idealist.
We have no clue whether Marrx is a german

C. If a German is an idealist, then he or she is a philosopher, as long as he or she is not Marx.
There can be different idealists it's not definitive it should be a idealisr

D. Marx is not an idealist German philosopher.
Really difficultt i couldn't eleminate i thought it was a direct one hence chose E thinking this was a trap answer

E. Aside from the philosopher Marx, if someone is a German philosopher, then he or she is an idealist
Yes this can be established this is the only thing we can establish
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