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Not that fun this question :( I wonder how often I would see such a question on test day.

Solution:

* * * * * (line B)

* * * * (line A)

Choose 2 points from line A and a point from line B: = 4!/2!2! * 5!/1!4! = 30
Choose 1 point from line A and 2 points from line B: = 4!/1!3! * 5!/2!3! = 4 * 10 = 40

Combine possiblities: 30 + 40 = 70
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alexpavlos wrote:
If 4 points are indicated on a line and 5 points are indicated on another line that is parallel to the first line, how many triangles can be formed whose vertices are among the 9 points?

A. 20
B. 30
C. 40
D. 70
E. 90

Tried doing a few options, but couldn't get it right and the answer provided left me more confused!


Approach #1:
There are two types of triangles possible:
With two vertices on the line with 4 points and the third vertex on the line with 5 points --> \(C^2_4*C^1_5=30\);
With two vertices on the line with 5 points and the third vertex on the line with 4 points --> \(C^2_5*C^1_4=40\);

Total: \(30+40=70\).

Answer: D.

Approach #2:

All different 3 points out of total 4+5=9 points will create a triangle EXCEPT those 3 points which are collinear.
\(C^3_{9}-(C^3_4+C^3_5)=84-(4+10)=70\) (where \(C^3_4\) and \(C^3_4\) are # of different 3 collinear points possible from the line with 4 points and the line with 5 points, respectively).

Answer: D.

Hope it's clear.


I really like your 2nd approach :-D
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Re: If 4 points are indicated on a line and 5 points are indicated on [#permalink]
Bunuel wrote:
alexpavlos wrote:
If 4 points are indicated on a line and 5 points are indicated on another line that is parallel to the first line, how many triangles can be formed whose vertices are among the 9 points?

A. 20
B. 30
C. 40
D. 70
E. 90

Tried doing a few options, but couldn't get it right and the answer provided left me more confused!


Approach #1:
There are two types of triangles possible:
With two vertices on the line with 4 points and the third vertex on the line with 5 points --> \(C^2_4*C^1_5=30\);
With two vertices on the line with 5 points and the third vertex on the line with 4 points --> \(C^2_5*C^1_4=40\);

Total: \(30+40=70\).

Answer: D.

Approach #2:

All different 3 points out of total 4+5=9 points will create a triangle EXCEPT those 3 points which are collinear.
\(C^3_{9}-(C^3_4+C^3_5)=84-(4+10)=70\) (where \(C^3_4\) and \(C^3_4\) are # of different 3 collinear points possible from the line with 4 points and the line with 5 points, respectively).

Answer: D.

Hope it's clear.


Thanks Bunuel. That was great. Do you by any chance have other problems similar to this that you know of?
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Bunuel wrote:
alexpavlos wrote:
If 4 points are indicated on a line and 5 points are indicated on another line that is parallel to the first line, how many triangles can be formed whose vertices are among the 9 points?

A. 20
B. 30
C. 40
D. 70
E. 90

Tried doing a few options, but couldn't get it right and the answer provided left me more confused!


Approach #1:
There are two types of triangles possible:
With two vertices on the line with 4 points and the third vertex on the line with 5 points --> \(C^2_4*C^1_5=30\);
With two vertices on the line with 5 points and the third vertex on the line with 4 points --> \(C^2_5*C^1_4=40\);

Total: \(30+40=70\).

Answer: D.

Approach #2:

All different 3 points out of total 4+5=9 points will create a triangle EXCEPT those 3 points which are collinear.
\(C^3_{9}-(C^3_4+C^3_5)=84-(4+10)=70\) (where \(C^3_4\) and \(C^3_4\) are # of different 3 collinear points possible from the line with 4 points and the line with 5 points, respectively).

Answer: D.

Hope it's clear.


Thanks Bunuel. That was great. Do you by any chance have other problems similar to this that you know of?


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Attached is a visual that should help. Bunuel's method is the most elegant, but here is an alternative strategy if the other solution is not clear.
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alex1233 wrote:
If 4 points are indicated on a line and 5 points are indicated on another line that is parallel to the first line, how many triangles can be formed whose vertices are among the 9 points?

A. 20
B. 30
C. 40
D. 70
E. 90


We have two scenarios:

The first scenario is that the 1 vertex is on the first line and the 2 other vertices are on the second line.
So the number of ways to create such a triangle is:

4C1 x 5C2 = 4 x (5 x 4)/2 = 40

The second scenario is that 2 vertices are on the first line and the 1 vertex is on the second line. So the number of ways to create such a triangle is:

4C2 x 5C1 = (4 x 3)/2 x 5 = 6 x 5 = 30

Thus, the total number of ways to create the triangle is 40 + 30 = 70.

Answer: D
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1st line: 4 points

2nd line: 5 points

If we choose 1 point on the first line (4C1) and two points from the second line (5C2), we have 4C1 * 5C2 = 40 triangles.

Now, we can choose 2 points on the first line (4C2) and 1 point on the second line (5C1) to get 4C2 * 5C1 = 6 * 5 = 30 triangles

40 + 30 = 70 triangles

Answer is D.
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Out of all the Unique Triangles Possible, every single one of them will have 2 Collinear Points on either the:

-Parallel Line with 5 Dots
or
-Parallel Line with 4 Dots

the 3rd Vertex of the Triangle will have to be on the OTHER Parallel Line in order to create a Triangle with positive area


Case 1: We place the Base on the Bottom Parallel Line with 5 Points

(1st)We need to figure out how many Unique Pairs of 2 Points we can pick out of the 5 Points available on this line.

"5 choose 2" = 5!/2!3! = 10 Unique Combinations

AND

(2nd)For each of these 10 unique combinations, there are 4 Points on the Parallel Line on Top which can combine with the given Pair of Points to create a Triangle with positive area. How many ways can we choose 1 for each of the 10 unique combinations:

"4 choose 1" = 4 ways

(10) * (4) = 40 Unique Triangles in which the "Base" is on the Bottom Parallel Line with 5 Dots


Case 2: We place the Base on the Top Parallel Line with 4 Dots.

Same Logic as above, except the Numbers change:

(1st) "4 choose 2" * "5 choose 1" = [4!/2!2!] * 5 = [6] * 5 = 30 Unique Triangles in which the "Base" is on the Top Parallel Line with 4 Dots


40 Triangles from Case 1 + 30 Triangles from Case 2 =

70 Possible Triangles
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To form a triangle, we need three non-collinear points.

Among the 9 given points, we have 4 points on one line and 5 points on another parallel line.

To form a triangle, we can choose one point from the line with 4 points and two points from the line with 5 points, or vice versa.

The number of triangles formed is the combination of choosing 1 point from the line with 4 points and 2 points from the line with 5 points, plus choosing 2 points from the line with 4 points and 1 point from the line with 5 points.

Combining these two cases, we have:

C(4, 1) * C(5, 2) + C(4, 2) * C(5, 1)
= 4 * (5 * 4 / (2 * 1)) + (4 * 3 / (2 * 1)) * 5
= 4 * 10 + 6 * 5
= 40 + 30
= 70.

Therefore, the total number of triangles that can be formed using the 9 points is 70.

Hence, the correct answer is D. 70.
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