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great debrief! good luck on the rest!
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Thanks, guys.

Dawgie wrote:
I’m curious, did you find Jeff Sackmann more helpful for quant or the GMATClub tests?


Dawgie, please know that I have not scored 48+ in quant in any test, so it is imprudent of me to comment generally. However, I think that both have some value. Jeff's material is excellent practice material that is very close to the GMAT questions. I don't think I saw a single question on the real GMAT (again, I did not score high) that included complex calculations or multi-step solutions. MGMAT quant is plagued with this problem. (I also think that higher MGMAT verbal scores gave me false hopes.)

GMAT Club tests will steer you away from the traps, but they are not necessarily close to the actual GMAT problems. My key takeaways from these tests are:
1. 2 is the only even prime number
2. 0 is an integer, but it is neither positive nor negative
3. never multiply an inequality with a variable unless you know the sign of that variable
4. never divide an equation with a variable unless you know that variable is not zero
5. odd exponents are your friends
6. two equations and two variables necessarily do not mean a solution, both equations could give the same information
7. almost always there is a simpler solution to the given problem
8. when squared (or any other exponent), 1 and 0 will return the original value. i.e. \(a^x=a\) (edit: \(0^0\) is undefined

Originally posted by therockobama on 10 Sep 2010, 10:25.
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660 is a good score. Can you share few tips for verbal also?
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great debrief!!
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hi

thanks for the tips in the debrief... I am getting similar scores in my practice tests and not enough time to prepare.... anyhow, I will try to peak around gmat d-day!

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kissthegmat wrote:
660 is a good score. Can you share few tips for verbal also?


First, know that verbal score can be improved. I have read walker's debrief and he has shown that with commitment and hard work it is possible to improve the verbal score. But unlike quant, English is difficult to get a firm hold on. It takes time. Some standard things that can help you are:
- read NYT, especially its editorials and critiques. NYT also prints variety of articles on science, arts, home, and business. The very kind of material that is tested on GMAT. Get a printed version than a paper version. This will force you to read.
- also, whenever you read, no matter what you read, read the material objectively. Do not blindly accept what a book or an article says (reminds me of Buddha's quote: https://www.quotationspage.com/quote/4692.html). Question the assumptions, see whether the conclusions make sense. This is my natural tendency, I do not believe any random thing, unless it comes from a standard source or it stands some logic tests. One good example is chain emails of Microsoft/Yahoo awarding free money for forwarding some emails.
- also, whenever you write, no matter what you write, question yourself: are you using the most effective words and grammar to convey some idea? Can the sentence be rewritten? Remember, most of times we just need simple words to explain something.
- somethings in GMAT V are just random. You will learn those specific patterns by practicing. Even after practicing OG material many times, I still fail to answer some questions correctly, because they test some nuanced concepts, which I cannot grasp yet. This is where Ron Purewal helps the most. His explanations are thorough. (one good document is the GMAT Prep SC document, which has links to MGMAT explanations)
- there are some tips out there for RC, but IMHO, RC is hard to improve unless you enjoy reading and "understand" the passage. for me, this happened after reading lot of articles (scientific and news), web-sites, blogs, etc. Again, if you can easily understand any NYT article on humanities, answering the questions based on that passage will become secondary.
- read elements of style at least once. Concision and clarity are the biggest takeaways from this book.

Last, always remember that "no one can make you feel inferior without your consent." (Eleanor Roosevelt). So, take upon the challenge and never give up.
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Which schools are you applying too?
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i think you will be competitive from 10s+ in rankings if you got a decent gpa (unlike mine...). It seems like you accepted the score which is fine - just make sure your school selection are withing gmat/gpa reach! good luck
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hmm then maybe you do need a retake if you have time...
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therockobama wrote:
kissthegmat wrote:
660 is a good score. Can you share few tips for verbal also?


First, know that verbal score can be improved. I have read walker's debrief and he has shown that with commitment and hard work it is possible to improve the verbal score. But unlike quant, English is difficult to get a firm hold on. It takes time. Some standard things that can help you are:
- read NYT, especially its editorials and critiques. NYT also prints variety of articles on science, arts, home, and business. The very kind of material that is tested on GMAT. Get a printed version than a paper version. This will force you to read.
- also, whenever you read, no matter what you read, read the material objectively. Do not blindly accept what a book or an article says (reminds me of Buddha's quote: https://www.quotationspage.com/quote/4692.html). Question the assumptions, see whether the conclusions make sense. This is my natural tendency, I do not believe any random thing, unless it comes from a standard source or it stands some logic tests. One good example is chain emails of Microsoft/Yahoo awarding free money for forwarding some emails.
- also, whenever you write, no matter what you write, question yourself: are you using the most effective words and grammar to convey some idea? Can the sentence be rewritten? Remember, most of times we just need simple words to explain something.
- somethings in GMAT V are just random. You will learn those specific patterns by practicing. Even after practicing OG material many times, I still fail to answer some questions correctly, because they test some nuanced concepts, which I cannot grasp yet. This is where Ron Purewal helps the most. His explanations are thorough. (one good document is the GMAT Prep SC document, which has links to MGMAT explanations)
- there are some tips out there for RC, but IMHO, RC is hard to improve unless you enjoy reading and "understand" the passage. for me, this happened after reading lot of articles (scientific and news), web-sites, blogs, etc. Again, if you can easily understand any NYT article on humanities, answering the questions based on that passage will become secondary.
- read elements of style at least once. Concision and clarity are the biggest takeaways from this book.

Last, always remember that "no one can make you feel inferior without your consent." (Eleanor Roosevelt). So, take upon the challenge and never give up.


Thank you for the post and making thing clear once again for me. good luck with your apps.
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What a debrief.All the best ahead....
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Nice long debrief!!!! All the best!!!!
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what a debrief!!!

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thank you for the insight.

therockobama wrote:
kissthegmat wrote:
660 is a good score. Can you share few tips for verbal also?


First, know that verbal score can be improved. I have read walker's debrief and he has shown that with commitment and hard work it is possible to improve the verbal score. But unlike quant, English is difficult to get a firm hold on. It takes time. Some standard things that can help you are:
- read NYT, especially its editorials and critiques. NYT also prints variety of articles on science, arts, home, and business. The very kind of material that is tested on GMAT. Get a printed version than a paper version. This will force you to read.
- also, whenever you read, no matter what you read, read the material objectively. Do not blindly accept what a book or an article says (reminds me of Buddha's quote: https://www.quotationspage.com/quote/4692.html). Question the assumptions, see whether the conclusions make sense. This is my natural tendency, I do not believe any random thing, unless it comes from a standard source or it stands some logic tests. One good example is chain emails of Microsoft/Yahoo awarding free money for forwarding some emails.
- also, whenever you write, no matter what you write, question yourself: are you using the most effective words and grammar to convey some idea? Can the sentence be rewritten? Remember, most of times we just need simple words to explain something.
- somethings in GMAT V are just random. You will learn those specific patterns by practicing. Even after practicing OG material many times, I still fail to answer some questions correctly, because they test some nuanced concepts, which I cannot grasp yet. This is where Ron Purewal helps the most. His explanations are thorough. (one good document is the GMAT Prep SC document, which has links to MGMAT explanations)
- there are some tips out there for RC, but IMHO, RC is hard to improve unless you enjoy reading and "understand" the passage. for me, this happened after reading lot of articles (scientific and news), web-sites, blogs, etc. Again, if you can easily understand any NYT article on humanities, answering the questions based on that passage will become secondary.
- read elements of style at least once. Concision and clarity are the biggest takeaways from this book.

Last, always remember that "no one can make you feel inferior without your consent." (Eleanor Roosevelt). So, take upon the challenge and never give up.
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