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Re: Article: What and How to negate (6 Exercise questions) [#permalink]
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WHAT IF YOU NEGATE THE VERB?

Let’s bring the Original choice again for clarity purposes.
All GMAT test takers who take the exam after 1 month of preparation perform better than they did in their first mock

Notice, that in all the negated choices above, we did not modify the verb – perform better. Lets see what happens when we negate the verb. Consider the following negated choice

Neg 1: Some GMAT test takers who take the exam after 1 month of preparation do not perform better than they did in their first mock.


What does the above answer choice mean?
The answer choice implies that, out of 100 test takers, between 1 and 100 test takers did not perform better than they did in their first mock. This means that 0 to 99 test takers did perform better on their mock. This is the same is “Not all”. Hence, the above answer choice is Correct


Some GMAT test takers who take the exam after 1 month of preparation do not perform better than they did in their first mock.
I think that it means that 0 test taker did perform better on their mock. But we required that 0 to 99 should perform well.

All perform well ----- 100 perform well
Some perform well ---- 1 to 100, inclusive, perform well
Some did not perform well ---- 0 perform well

so the negation, according to me will be:
All GMAT test takers who take the exam after 1 month of preparation
did not perform better than they did in their first mock


Please clarify!!
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Great article.

But I guess I will take some time to get used to it since it's new to me.

Question 1 is confusing to me: My answer choices:

Q1) A (E and F are confusing to me, don't feel that they are correct, but not sure)
Q2) A
Q3) A
Q4) A and D
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Some perform well ---- 1 to 100, inclusive, perform well
Some did not perform well ---- 0 perform well


@Rahul if some perform well => 1 to 100 perform well (which is correct) then some did not perform well should be 1 to 100 did not perform well. Does that make sense and address your doubt. Just think about it and let me know.

Others: There are some good responses but I am looking for rigor. This is more of quant that CR and with so many quant gurus here, I am looking forward to some more analysis. also dont forget to attend tomorrow's session. I will discuss the answers in tomorrow's session.
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Ex1: Most GMAT test takers who take the exam after 1 month of preparation perform better than they did in their first mock. (Multiple answers may be correct) This means 51-100 perform well

a) Most GMAT test takers who take the exam after 1 month of preparation do not perform better than they did in their first mock. 51-100 do not perform well ~~ This Negates
b) All GMAT test takers who take the exam after 1 month of preparation perform better than they did in their first mock. 100 perform well ~~ This is incorrect
c) No GMAT test taker who takes the exam after 1 month of preparation performs better than they did in their first mock. 0 perform well ~~ This is incorrect
d) At least half of GMAT test takers who take the exam after 1 month of preparation perform better than they did in their first mock. 51-100 perform well ~~ This is same as the stimulus
e) Up to half of GMAT test takers who take the exam after 1 month of preparation perform better than they did in their first mock. 0-50 perform well ~~ This negates
f) Up to half of GMAT test takers who take the exam after 1 month of preparation do not perform better than they did in their first mock. 0-50 do not perform well ~~ This is incorrect. But is this same as stimulus??
g) Half or more of GMAT test takers who take the exam after 1 month of preparation do not perform better than they did in their first mock. 0-100 do not perform well ~~ This is incorrect


so according to me A and E are correct. Please confirm
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Ex2: Every internet dating profile in the world begs for some spontaneity (Multiple answers may be correct) This means 100
a) Not every internet dating profile in the world begs for some spontaneity 0-99 ~~ Negates :-D
b) No internet dating profile in the world begs for some spontaneity 0 ~ Incorrect
c) Most internet dating profiles in the world begs for some spontaneity 51-100 ~~ Incorrect
d) Some internet dating profiles in the world do not beg for some spontaneity 1-100 ~~ Incorrect



Ex3: Innovations such as iPhone happen nowhere outside Apple. (Multiple answers may be correct) This means 1

a) Innovations such as iPhone do happen outside Apple. >1 ~~ Negates :-D
b) Innovations such as iPhone do not happen outside Apple. 1 ~~ same as stimulus
c) No other company is as innovative as Apple is. 1 ~~ SAME as stimulus
d) Innovations such as iPhone happen both inside Apple and in other companies. >= 1 ~~ Negates :-D



Ex4: No sane person who has never given a ride to a stranded passenger will give a ride to someone dressed in a hood (Multiple answers may be correct) This means 0

a) Some sane people who have never given a ride to a stranded passenger will give a ride to someone dressed in a hood 1-100 ~~ Negates :-D
b) At least one sane person who has never given a ride to a stranded passenger will give a ride to someone dressed in a hood 1-100 ~~ Negates :-D
c) All sane people who have never given a ride to a stranded passenger will give a ride to someone dressed in a hood 100 ~~ incorrect
d) No sane person who has ever given a ride to a stranded passenger will give a ride to someone dressed in a hood. ~~ Incorrect
e) Some sane people who have given a ride to a stranded passenger will give a ride to someone dressed in a hood ~~ incorrect

Originally posted by ExuberantRahul on 08 Sep 2012, 08:26.
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Hi Guys,

Thank you for your responses. Here are some of the answers. Rahul gets Kudos for trying :)

Ex1. Choice A is not correct. Can anyone justify why that is the case. Hint - draw the number line. Choices E & G are correct.
Ex2: Choice A is correct and so is choice D.
Ex 3. Can someone tell me the difference between choice A and Choice D.
Ex 4: To be continued :)

Again, I would like to see some (more) analysis. We will discuss these examples in the free session tomorrow. Register to get the invite.

See you tomorrow.

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Originally posted by egmat on 08 Sep 2012, 17:50.
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Superb article. Was very helpful in providing insight on the negation of an assumption.
Following are my takes for the examples:
Ex1: f
Ex2: a and d
Ex3: a
Ex4: a and b

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Dear Prashant. Example 1, Choice F. What sample space does choice f occupy. What does it mean when you say that up to half the test takers do not perform better.
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This article is good. It said about "some" and "negation" which are misunderstood many times.

When do we have the Part 2 of this article?
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Dear Mr thang. I am glad you like the article. I will add the point 2 after we get some responses to the questions posted. I look forward to your response.

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a) Most GMAT test takers who take the exam after 1 month of preparation do not perform better than they did in their first mock. ----- In this choice 51 - 100 did not perform well. But this does not include all the negation. Will require 49 -100 to not do well if this statement has to negate the original statement.

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Ex3: Innovations such as iPhone happen nowhere outside Apple. (Multiple answers may be correct)

a) Innovations such as iPhone do happen outside Apple.
d) Innovations such as iPhone happen both inside Apple and in other companies.

Innovation Inside Apple –
Ex 3 refers to inside this area. So negation will be anything outside this area

Not (outside) Apple –
Choice A covers this area as it states innovation happen outside apple. This is outside of the innovation inside apple area

Choice D – states Inside Apple + Outside Apple which is the whole area– This statement includes the statement plus the negation
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Ex 3. Can someone tell me the difference between choice A and Choice D.
Ex 4: To be continued :)
-Rajat


Ex-3: D overlaps with the space in sample set occupied by the argument and misses some cases as it considers companies only. Hence, it is NOT equivalent to negation but A considers all the cases except those in argument and is therefore the correct answer

Ex-4: A and B are equivalent and correct. C considers only "ALL" case. D and E are incorrect because we did not negated the verb but changed the definition of the person being considered i.e. in effect we modified the sample space.
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Ex-3: D overlaps with the space in sample set occupied by the argument and misses some cases as it considers companies only. Hence, it is NOT equivalent to negation but A considers all the cases except those in argument and is therefore the correct answer


Dear Vikram, You are correct about example 4. For Ex -3. Look at choices A and D again. For the purposes of our discussion, is there a difference between these choices. What does "Such innovations do happen outside Apple" mean.
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Here are couple of more fresh questions:

Ex-5:Every writer will tell you: first, find a good café. (Multiple answers may be correct)

A. Every writer will not tell you: first, find a good café.
B. Some writers will not tell you: first, find a good café
C. No writer will tell you: first, find a good café.
D. Most writers will not tell you: first, find a good café.


Ex-6: All the people who became sick did not get vaccinated.(Multiple answers may be correct)

A. Not everyone who became sick got vaccinated.
B. Some people who became sick did not get vaccinated
C. At least one person who became sick got vaccinated
D. All people who got vaccinated did not become sick
E. Most people who did not become sick got vaccinated
F. Most people who did not get vaccinated did not become sick.

Originally posted by egmat on 17 Sep 2012, 23:06.
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vikram4689 wrote:

Ex-3: D overlaps with the space in sample set occupied by the argument and misses some cases as it considers companies only. Hence, it is NOT equivalent to negation but A considers all the cases except those in argument and is therefore the correct answer


Dear Vikram, You are correct about example 4. For Ex -3. Look at choices A and D again. For the purposes of our discussion, is there a difference between these choices. What does "Such innovations do happen outside Apple" mean.

i did not get your question. it seems you are asking something else because i mentioned the difference in my last post OR may be my reasoning is incorrect. please explain your question
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Here are couple of more fresh questions:

Ex-5:Every writer will tell you: first, find a good café. (Multiple answers may be correct)

A. Every writer will not tell you: first, find a good café.
B. Some writers will not tell you: first, find a good café
C. No writer will tell you: first, find a good café.
D. Most writers will not tell you: first, find a good café.


Ex-6: All the people who became sick did not get vaccinated.(Multiple answers may be correct)

A. Not everyone who became sick got vaccinated.
B. Some people who became sick did not get vaccinated
C. At least one person who became sick did not get vaccinated
D. All people who got vaccinated did not become sick
E. Most people who did not become sick got vaccinated
F. Most people who did not get vaccinated did not become sick.


5. every writer will tell (100) -> negation -> not every writer will tell (0-99) -> this implies -> (1-100) writer will not tell -> some writer will not tell (B) only

6. we are concerned only with people who ARE sick so eliminate D,E,F. 100 people did not get vaccinated -> negation -> 0-99 people did not get vaccinated OR 1-100 did get vaccinated. B and C refer to 1-100 did not get vaccinated. A negates both subject and verb, so cannot be correct. All seem incorrect, please tell what is wrong in my reasoning.
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Dear Vikram,

I appreciate your diligent approach. Here is a clue to Ex 6. I have reproduced Ex-6 below.

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Ex-6: All the people who became sick did not get vaccinated.(Multiple answers may be correct)


Can you write the above as

Everyone who became sick did not get vaccinated. . This means that if 100 people became sick, then none of them got vaccinated. What would be the negation of this?

Negation: Not everyone who became sick did not get vaccinated. This implies, 0-99 people who became sick did not get vaccinated.

Lets now map this space to the vaccinated space:

1. If "0" people who became sick did not get vaccinated, then 100 people who became sick got vaccinated or in other words, All people who became sick got vaccinated. (note: everyone either gets vaccinated or does not get vaccinated)

2. If 99 people who became sick did not get vaccinated, then 1 person who became sick got vaccinated.

Summarizing the above, Not everyone who became sick did not get vaccinated is equivalent to "1-100 people who became sick got vaccinated.".

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