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X is a three-digit positive integer in which each digit is either 1 or 2. Y has the same digits as X, but in reverse order. What is the remainder when X is divided by 3?

(1) The hundreds digit of XY is 6.
(2) The tens digit of XY is 4.


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From statement 1:
If hundredth digit of product XY is 6, then: Number pairs can be (211, 112) or (121, 121). Of all three different numbers from the pairs, anyone when divided by 3 gives remainder as 1. Hence it doesn't really matters which one of the three is X and which one Y. Statement 1 is sufficient.

From statement 2:
If tens digit of product XY is 4, then: Number pairs can be (121, 121) or (212, 212). If X=121, remainder when X is divided by 3 is 1 but if X=212, remainder would be 2. Hence statement 2 is not sufficient.

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Bunuel wrote:
X is a three-digit positive integer in which each digit is either 1 or 2. Y has the same digits as X, but in reverse order. What is the remainder when X is divided by 3?

(1) The hundreds digit of XY is 6.
(2) The tens digit of XY is 4.


Kudos for a correct solution.



We know that we have two numbers \(abc\) and \(cba\) and from statements we have information about tens and hundreds.
In this case (when only \(1\) and \(2\) can be numbers) we know that tens will be equal to \(ab + bc\) and hundreds will be equal to \(a^2+b^2+c^2\)

1)\(a^2+b^2+c^2 = 6\)
This possible only in variants when two of numbers are equal to \(1\) and other number is equal to \(2\)
\(1^2+1^2+2^2 = 6\) etc.
So \(abc\) can be \(112\), \(211\) or \(121\) All this numbers when divided by \(3\) give us remainder \(1\)
Sufficient

2) \(ab + bc = 4\)
This possible when \(ab\) and \(bc\) equal to \(2\). So we have two variants:
\(a\) and \(c\) equal to \(2\) and \(b\) equal to \(1\)
or \(a\) and \(c\) equal to \(1\) and \(b\) equal to \(2\)
\(212\) and \(121\). When divided by \(3\) first number gives remainder \(2\) and second number gives remainder \(1\)
Insufficient.

Answer is A
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Bunuel wrote:
X is a three-digit positive integer in which each digit is either 1 or 2. Y has the same digits as X, but in reverse order. What is the remainder when X is divided by 3?

(1) The hundreds digit of XY is 6.
(2) The tens digit of XY is 4.


Kudos for a correct solution.



We know that we have two numbers \(abc\) and \(cba\) and from statements we have information about tens and hundreds.
In this case (when only \(1\) and \(2\) can be numbers) we know that tens will be equal to \(ab + bc\) and hundreds will be equal to \(a^2+b^2+c^2\)

1)\(a^2+b^2+c^2 = 6\)
This possible only in variants when two of numbers are equal to \(1\) and other number is equal to \(2\)
\(1^2+1^2+2^2 = 6\) etc.
So \(abc\) can be \(112\), \(211\) or \(121\) All this numbers when divided by \(3\) give us remainder \(1\)
Sufficient

2) \(ab + bc = 4\)
This possible when \(ab\) and \(bc\) equal to \(2\). So we have two variants:
\(a\) and \(c\) equal to \(2\) and \(b\) equal to \(1\)
or \(a\) and \(c\) equal to \(1\) and \(b\) equal to \(2\)
\(212\) and \(121\). When divided by \(3\) first number gives remainder \(2\) and second number gives remainder \(1\)
Insufficient.

Answer is A


Dear Harley
I have never seen this rule before even i went through the Manhattan Books - maybe I have overlooked it. However, is this rule with the tens and hundreds a general rule for that type of question?:

"We know that we have two numbers abc and cba and from statements we have information about tens and hundreds.
In this case (when only 1 and 2 can be numbers) we know that tens will be equal to ab+bc and hundreds will be equal to a2+b2+c2"

How does it behave if the question tells you that each digit can be 1, 2 or 3?

Thank you
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reto wrote:
Harley1980 wrote:
Bunuel wrote:
X is a three-digit positive integer in which each digit is either 1 or 2. Y has the same digits as X, but in reverse order. What is the remainder when X is divided by 3?

(1) The hundreds digit of XY is 6.
(2) The tens digit of XY is 4.


Kudos for a correct solution.



We know that we have two numbers \(abc\) and \(cba\) and from statements we have information about tens and hundreds.
In this case (when only \(1\) and \(2\) can be numbers) we know that tens will be equal to \(ab + bc\) and hundreds will be equal to \(a^2+b^2+c^2\)

1)\(a^2+b^2+c^2 = 6\)
This possible only in variants when two of numbers are equal to \(1\) and other number is equal to \(2\)
\(1^2+1^2+2^2 = 6\) etc.
So \(abc\) can be \(112\), \(211\) or \(121\) All this numbers when divided by \(3\) give us remainder \(1\)
Sufficient

2) \(ab + bc = 4\)
This possible when \(ab\) and \(bc\) equal to \(2\). So we have two variants:
\(a\) and \(c\) equal to \(2\) and \(b\) equal to \(1\)
or \(a\) and \(c\) equal to \(1\) and \(b\) equal to \(2\)
\(212\) and \(121\). When divided by \(3\) first number gives remainder \(2\) and second number gives remainder \(1\)
Insufficient.

Answer is A


Dear Harley
I have never seen this rule before even i went through the Manhattan Books - maybe I have overlooked it. However, is this rule with the tens and hundreds a general rule for that type of question?:

"We know that we have two numbers abc and cba and from statements we have information about tens and hundreds.
In this case (when only 1 and 2 can be numbers) we know that tens will be equal to ab+bc and hundreds will be equal to a2+b2+c2"

How does it behave if the question tells you that each digit can be 1, 2 or 3?

Thank you


Hi reto,

This rule is just based on how we multiply, there is nothing more to it.

X = abc = a*100 + b*10 + c
Y = cba = c*100 + b*10 + a

XY = (a*100 + b*10 + c)*(c*100 + b*10 + a)
=>XY = 10000*ac + 1000*ab + 100a^2 + 1000bc + 100b^2 + 10ab + 100c^2 + 10*bc + ac
=> XY = 10000*ac + 1000*(ab + bc) + 100*(a^2 + b^2 + c^2) + 10*(ab + bc) + ac


If it can be proved that ac, (ab+bc) and (a^2 + b^2 + c^2) are single digits then the unit digit will be ac, 10th place will be (ab+bc) and 100th place will be (a^2 + b^2 + c^2)

let's take the example of 112 and 211

112 * 211 = 23632

unit digit of 112 * 211 is ac = 1*2 = 2 < 10
10th digit of 112 * 211 is ab + bc = 1+2 = 3 < 10
100th digit 0f 112 * 211 is a^2 + b^2 + c^2 = 1 + 1 + 4 = 6 < 10

Now let's take the example 223 and 322

223*322 = 71806

ac = 2*3 = 6 < 10, so unit digit of 223*322 is 6
ab + bc = 4+6 = 10, so 10th digit of 223*322 is 0 not 10
a^2 + b^2 + c^2 = 4 + 4 + 9 = 17 > 10, so 100th digit of 223*322 is 7 + 1(carry over from the 10th digit) = 8 and not 17

Hope this helps. Do let me know if you have more questions.

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Harley1980 wrote:
Bunuel wrote:
X is a three-digit positive integer in which each digit is either 1 or 2. Y has the same digits as X, but in reverse order. What is the remainder when X is divided by 3?

(1) The hundreds digit of XY is 6.
(2) The tens digit of XY is 4.


Kudos for a correct solution.



We know that we have two numbers \(abc\) and \(cba\) and from statements we have information about tens and hundreds.
In this case (when only \(1\) and \(2\) can be numbers) we know that tens will be equal to \(ab + bc\) and hundreds will be equal to \(a^2+b^2+c^2\)

1)\(a^2+b^2+c^2 = 6\)
This possible only in variants when two of numbers are equal to \(1\) and other number is equal to \(2\)
\(1^2+1^2+2^2 = 6\) etc.
So \(abc\) can be \(112\), \(211\) or \(121\) All this numbers when divided by \(3\) give us remainder \(1\)
Sufficient

2) \(ab + bc = 4\)
This possible when \(ab\) and \(bc\) equal to \(2\). So we have two variants:
\(a\) and \(c\) equal to \(2\) and \(b\) equal to \(1\)
or \(a\) and \(c\) equal to \(1\) and \(b\) equal to \(2\)
\(212\) and \(121\). When divided by \(3\) first number gives remainder \(2\) and second number gives remainder \(1\)
Insufficient.

Answer is A


Dear Harley
I have never seen this rule before even i went through the Manhattan Books - maybe I have overlooked it. However, is this rule with the tens and hundreds a general rule for that type of question?:

"We know that we have two numbers abc and cba and from statements we have information about tens and hundreds.
In this case (when only 1 and 2 can be numbers) we know that tens will be equal to ab+bc and hundreds will be equal to a2+b2+c2"

How does it behave if the question tells you that each digit can be 1, 2 or 3?

Thank you


Hello reto

I don't think that you overlooked it. Books give you foundation, but you should invent new ways to use this knowledge (or look for this ways on forums ;)
About this task: I make one example with numbers and look for the pattern.
it's hard to write, so I make screenshot; I hope it make sense.

If not, don't hesitate to ask I will try to explain it in words.
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Even if you dont take the equation 100a+10b+c, statement 1 can be solved just by using variables.

let X = abc , then Y = cba
Now X*Y = abc*cba

abc*
cba
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a^2 ab ac
ab b^2 bc X
ac bc c^2 X X
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This will give a number that looks like---> (ac) (ab+bc) (a^2+b^2+c^2) (ba+bc) (ac)

Now back to statement 1. It says that hundreds digit of the number we got is 6.
That means a^2+b^2+c^2 = 6. Since only 2 or 1 can be used, the only combination possible is where any one of the a,b or c is 4 and the remaining two are 1.
so the sum of digits will always be 4. therefore the remainder will be 1.
Hence sufficient.
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