Last visit was: 24 Apr 2024, 17:38 It is currently 24 Apr 2024, 17:38

Close
GMAT Club Daily Prep
Thank you for using the timer - this advanced tool can estimate your performance and suggest more practice questions. We have subscribed you to Daily Prep Questions via email.

Customized
for You

we will pick new questions that match your level based on your Timer History

Track
Your Progress

every week, we’ll send you an estimated GMAT score based on your performance

Practice
Pays

we will pick new questions that match your level based on your Timer History
Not interested in getting valuable practice questions and articles delivered to your email? No problem, unsubscribe here.
Close
Request Expert Reply
Confirm Cancel
SORT BY:
Date
Tags:
Show Tags
Hide Tags
Senior Manager
Senior Manager
Joined: 02 Jan 2017
Posts: 271
Own Kudos [?]: 1466 [19]
Given Kudos: 235
Location: Canada
Send PM
Most Helpful Reply
Senior Manager
Senior Manager
Joined: 29 Jun 2017
Posts: 312
Own Kudos [?]: 798 [8]
Given Kudos: 76
GPA: 4
WE:Engineering (Transportation)
Send PM
General Discussion
Magoosh GMAT Instructor
Joined: 28 Dec 2011
Posts: 4452
Own Kudos [?]: 28569 [2]
Given Kudos: 130
Director
Director
Joined: 05 Mar 2015
Posts: 852
Own Kudos [?]: 860 [0]
Given Kudos: 45
Send PM
Re: If a and b are integers and a = |b + 2| + |3 – b|, does a = 5? [#permalink]
vikasp99 wrote:
If a and b are integers and a = |b + 2| + |3 – b|, does a = 5?

(1) b < 3
(2) b > –2



take 3 ranges
(1) b<-2 -----> -b-2+ 3-b =-2b+1---> value depends on b....
(2) -2<= b < 3------> b+2+3-b = 5
(3) b>=3--------> b+2-3+b = 2b-1----> value depends on b....

only satisfying range is -2<= b < 3

from options , we require both options

Ans C
avatar
Intern
Intern
Joined: 24 Feb 2017
Posts: 1
Own Kudos [?]: 0 [0]
Given Kudos: 1
Send PM
If a and b are integers and a = |b + 2| + |3 – b|, does a = 5? [#permalink]
I dont understand how you explain this without having statement numbers 1) and 2)..

Please be kind enough to explain me the explicit way to solve this.


I need your help also
mikemcgarry
Magoosh GMAT Instructor
Joined: 28 Dec 2011
Posts: 4452
Own Kudos [?]: 28569 [3]
Given Kudos: 130
Re: If a and b are integers and a = |b + 2| + |3 – b|, does a = 5? [#permalink]
3
Kudos
Expert Reply
nishanfaith wrote:
I dont understand how you explain this without having statement numbers 1) and 2)..

Please be kind enough to explain me the explicit way to solve this.

I need your help also
mikemcgarry

Dear nishanfaith,

I'm happy to respond. :-) First of all, my friend, I would urge you to read through my algebraic solution step-by-step, because if you understand that, then you really will understand this problem deeply. If you understand what I did there, you will understand what I concluded about the statements individually.

I will also show the basics of a picking numbers approach. Simply notice that at b = +3, the insides of one of the absolute values is zero, and at b = -2, the insides of the other absolute value is zero. Points that make the insides equal to zero tend to be "behavior change" points for absolute values.

Statement #1: b < 3
Try b = 0
a = |b + 2| + |3 – b| = |2| + |3| = 2 + 3 = 5
This choice produces a "yes" to the prompt question.
Try b = -10 (a point on the other side of the "behavior change" point at x = -2)
a = |b + 2| + |3 – b| = |-10 + 2| + |3 - (-10)| = |-8| + |13| = 8 + 21 = 21
This choice produces a "no" to the prompt question.
As soon as we have two different choices producing two different answers, we know that the statement is not sufficient.

Statement #2: b > –2
Again, use b = 0.
We know from the previous case that this makes a = 5.
This choice produces a "yes" to the prompt question.
Try b = +10 (a point on the other side of the "behavior change" point at x = +3)
a = |b + 2| + |3 – b| = |10 + 2| + |3 - 10| =|12| + |-7| = 12 + 7 = 19
This choice produces a "no" to the prompt question.
Again, we have two different choices producing two different answers, so we know that the statement is not sufficient.

The individual statements are insufficient, so we have to combine the statements.
Combined statements: -2 < b < 3
We already know that b = 0 means a = 5, which produces a "yes" to the prompt question.
Try b = +2
a = |b + 2| + |3 – b| = |2 + 2| + |3 – 2| = |4| + |1| = 4 + 1 = 5
That also produces a "yes" answer.
Try b = -1
a = |b + 2| + |3 – b| = |-1 + 2| + |3 – (-1)| = |1| + |4| = 1 + 4 = 5
That one also produces a "yes" answer.

OK, here's the issue. Picking numbers is an excellent way to demonstrate something is not sufficient, because if we can produce two different answers to the prompt question, we know it's not sufficient. Picking numbers categorically cannot demonstrate that something is sufficient. You see, there are an infinite number of fractions and decimals between -2 and +3, and of course we can't try every single case. We have shown that it produces the same answer for three cases, and that's certainly suggestive, but we can't be certain that there's not some decimal value somewhere in there that would produce a different answer. At this point, we would have to use either algebra (as I did above) or logic. I suggest that this is the best place to go back and look at the algebra above for what happens on this interval.

Does all this make sense?
Mike :-)
Manager
Manager
Joined: 15 Oct 2017
Posts: 248
Own Kudos [?]: 234 [1]
Given Kudos: 338
GMAT 1: 560 Q42 V25
GMAT 2: 570 Q43 V27
GMAT 3: 710 Q49 V39
Send PM
Re: If a and b are integers and a = lb+2l + l3-bl, does a = 5? [#permalink]
1
Kudos
We need to find if a=5.

1) b<3. Trying for all possible values of b, b=2, a=5; b=1,a=5; b=0,a=5; b=-1,a=5, b=-2,a=5, b=-3,a=7. Not Sufficient.

2) b>-2/ Trying for possible values of b, b=-1,a=5; b=0,a=5; b=5,a=9. Not Sufficient.

Combining a and b, we get -2<b<3 and a=5 for all possible values of b according to the combined limits. Hence, sufficient.
Answer-C
Senior PS Moderator
Joined: 26 Feb 2016
Posts: 2873
Own Kudos [?]: 5205 [0]
Given Kudos: 47
Location: India
GPA: 3.12
Send PM
If a and b are integers and a = lb+2l + l3-bl, does a = 5? [#permalink]
dyro1218 wrote:
If a and b are integers and a = lb+2l + l3-bl, does a = 5?

(1) b < 3
(2) b > -2


The answer Says "C" But statement (2) is also works as well by itself.

both are works too, However, C = represent "Both statements TOGETHER are sufficient, but Neither statement ALONE is sufficient. which tells you the Statement (2) isn't correct for a lone.

I don't know is it C is correct or B is correct?



Hey dyro1218

The reason statement 2 is not sufficient by itself is that we are given b > -2.

Case 1: If b=3, then a = l3+2l + l3-3l = 5 + 0 = 5
Case 2: If b=6, then a = l6+2l + l3-6l = 8 + 3 = 11

Since we can have both possibilities, statement 2 by itself is not enough.

Hope this helps you!
GMAT Tutor
Joined: 27 Oct 2017
Posts: 1905
Own Kudos [?]: 5581 [1]
Given Kudos: 236
WE:General Management (Education)
Send PM
Re: If a and b are integers and a = |b + 2| + |3 – b|, does a = 5? [#permalink]
1
Bookmarks
Expert Reply
Hi

|x-y| = Distance of x from y .
So, |b + 2| = distance of b from -2
and |3-b| = |b -3|= Distance of b from 3

a = |b + 2| + |3 – b| , means a is the sum of distance of b from -2 and 3

Now see the attached sketch, a = 5 only if b is between -2 & 3.
Attachment:
gmatbusters.jpeg
gmatbusters.jpeg [ 43.83 KiB | Viewed 5277 times ]

St1) B<3. now b can be between -2 & 3 or b can be < -2
Not sufficient.
St 2) B>-2, b can be between -2 & 3 or b can be >3
Not Sufficient.

Combining both St1 & St2 , we get b is between -2 & 3. So a = 5.

SUFFICIENT

Answer C
Manager
Manager
Joined: 27 Apr 2009
Status:Not Applying
Posts: 122
Own Kudos [?]: 501 [0]
Given Kudos: 35
Location: India
Schools: HBS '14 (A)
GMAT 1: 730 Q51 V36
Send PM
Re: If a and b are integers and a = |b + 2| + |3 – b|, does a = 5? [#permalink]
Here is another explanation for the question
Attachments

WhatsApp Image 2018-05-20 at 15.15.27.jpeg
WhatsApp Image 2018-05-20 at 15.15.27.jpeg [ 58.35 KiB | Viewed 5221 times ]

Intern
Intern
Joined: 09 Jan 2021
Posts: 21
Own Kudos [?]: 2 [0]
Given Kudos: 2
Send PM
Re: If a and b are integers and a = |b + 2| + |3 – b|, does a = 5? [#permalink]
3 cases for the equation of
a = |b+2| + |b-5|

for b>3,
a = (b+2) - (3-b) = 2b-1

for b<-2,
a = (-b-2) + (3-b) = 1-2b

for -2<b<3
a=5


Now for (1) b<3
I will end up with 2 answer variations. Insufficient

For (2) b>-2
I will end up with 2 answer variations. Insufficient

(1) and (2),
Only 1 unique case will exist, which a=5. Sufficient and ans is C.
GMAT Club Bot
Re: If a and b are integers and a = |b + 2| + |3 – b|, does a = 5? [#permalink]
Moderator:
Math Expert
92900 posts

Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group | Emoji artwork provided by EmojiOne