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In how many ways 8 different tickets can be distributed between Jane and Bill if each is to receive any even number of tickets and all 8 tickets to be distributed.

A. From 2 to 6 inclusive.
B. From 98 to 102 inclusive.
C. From 122 to 126 inclusive.
D. From 128 to 132 inclusive.
E. From 196 to 200 inclusive.


hi

I have seen a solution to a problem similar to this one elsewhere on the forum
let me explain it to you

since a total of 8 tickets is to be distributed to either Jane or Bill, 7 tickets can be distributed either to Jane or to Bill in
(1 + 1)*(1 + 1)*(1 + 1)*(1 + 1)*(1 + 1)*(1 + 1)*(1 + 1)

= 2*2*2*2*2*2*2 = 2^7 ways, and the arrangements will look like as under

0, 7
1, 6
2, 5
3, 4
4, 3
5, 2
6, 1
7, 0

here, as can be seen, in 2^7 ways, one person is getting even number of tickets and the other is receiving odd number of tickets, so

the remaining 1 ticket can be given to the one receiving odd number of tickets in only 1 way to entail the optimum arrangement where each buddy gets even number of tickets

so the answer is (2^7) * 1 = 128

hope this helps and is clear!
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Re: In how many ways 8 different tickets can be distributed [#permalink]
Shouldn't each case be multiplied by, since they are different tickets?
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Shouldn't each case be multiplied by, since they are different tickets?


Note that each ticket is different hence we have 2 ways of distributing each ticket (except the last one)

Ticket A can be given in 2 ways.
Ticket B can be given in 2 ways.
Ticket C can be given in 2 ways.
and so on...

Note that they don't have to be arranged in a row. If Jane gets 4 tickets A-B-C-D, it is the same as getting B-D-C-A.
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VeritasPrepKarishma wrote:
Rw27 wrote:
Shouldn't each case be multiplied by, since they are different tickets?


Note that each ticket is different hence we have 2 ways of distributing each ticket (except the last one)

Ticket A can be given in 2 ways.
Ticket B can be given in 2 ways.
Ticket C can be given in 2 ways.
and so on...

Note that they don't have to be arranged in a row. If Jane gets 4 tickets A-B-C-D, it is the same as getting B-D-C-A.


hi mam
feeling great to see you here. So far I can remember the solution I have explained here was actually given by you

anyway, I have a question to you
if the question asks us to find out the number of ways in which both friends get odd number of tickets, the answer will remain the same, 128 ways, that's okay, but

what to do if the question asks an arrangement where one buddy gets odd number of tickets and another gets even number of tickets?

its never possible, as the total number of tickets is 8. For this question to be answered, the total number of tickets will have to be an odd number.

is that okay?


thanks in advance, mam
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VeritasPrepKarishma wrote:
Rw27 wrote:
Shouldn't each case be multiplied by, since they are different tickets?


Note that each ticket is different hence we have 2 ways of distributing each ticket (except the last one)

Ticket A can be given in 2 ways.
Ticket B can be given in 2 ways.
Ticket C can be given in 2 ways.
and so on...

Note that they don't have to be arranged in a row. If Jane gets 4 tickets A-B-C-D, it is the same as getting B-D-C-A.


hi mam
feeling great to see you here. So far I can remember the solution I have explained here was actually given by you

anyway, I have a question to you
if the question asks us to find out the number of ways in which both friends get odd number of tickets, the answer will remain the same, 128 ways, that's okay, but

what to do if the question asks an arrangement where one buddy gets odd number of tickets and another gets even number of tickets?

its never possible, as the total number of tickets is 8. For this question to be answered, the total number of tickets will have to be an odd number.

is that okay?


thanks in advance, mam
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Yes, 8 tickets cannot be distributed in a way such that one gets an odd number of tickets and another gets an even number of tickets. That would add up to an odd number.
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gmatcracker2018 wrote:
VeritasPrepKarishma wrote:
Rw27 wrote:
Shouldn't each case be multiplied by, since they are different tickets?


Note that each ticket is different hence we have 2 ways of distributing each ticket (except the last one)

Ticket A can be given in 2 ways.
Ticket B can be given in 2 ways.
Ticket C can be given in 2 ways.
and so on...

Note that they don't have to be arranged in a row. If Jane gets 4 tickets A-B-C-D, it is the same as getting B-D-C-A.


hi mam
feeling great to see you here. So far I can remember the solution I have explained here was actually given by you

anyway, I have a question to you
if the question asks us to find out the number of ways in which both friends get odd number of tickets, the answer will remain the same, 128 ways, that's okay, but

what to do if the question asks an arrangement where one buddy gets odd number of tickets and another gets even number of tickets?

its never possible, as the total number of tickets is 8. For this question to be answered, the total number of tickets will have to be an odd number.

is that okay?


thanks in advance, mam
:cool:


many many thanks to you, mam
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In how many ways 8 different tickets can be distributed [#permalink]
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pochcc wrote:
hello, so in the end, the answer is 128 right? i got the same answer, using the same solution as atish. i'm just making sure it's the right one.

i'm also wondering as to the answer choices: why the range? shouldn't there be one and only one answer? is there a way to approximate the answer? anyone have any ideas as to approximating this? i solved the problem, but it took me about 4 minutes, which is time i wouldn't have in the actual exam.

cheers!


Yes, the answer is 128.

Answers are represented as ranges, because there are number of incorrect answers possible and several ranges are needed to cover them all.


Hello,
is the following a correct way to think about the solution?

we have eight tickets to distribute to two persons in even numbers.
Total ways of distributing 8 tickets to two persons is 2^8 (an empty subset is allowed since 0 is even so no need to subtract 1)
even numbers of distributions=odd numbers of distributions thus by symmetry the answer is 2^8/2=256/2=128.

can you guys please confirm this approach?
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Bunuel wrote:
pochcc wrote:
hello, so in the end, the answer is 128 right? i got the same answer, using the same solution as atish. i'm just making sure it's the right one.

i'm also wondering as to the answer choices: why the range? shouldn't there be one and only one answer? is there a way to approximate the answer? anyone have any ideas as to approximating this? i solved the problem, but it took me about 4 minutes, which is time i wouldn't have in the actual exam.

cheers!


Yes, the answer is 128.

Answers are represented as ranges, because there are number of incorrect answers possible and several ranges are needed to cover them all.


Hello,
is the following a correct way to think about the solution?

we have eight tickets to distribute to two persons in even numbers.
Total ways of distributing 8 tickets to two persons is 2^8 (an empty subset is allowed since 0 is even so no need to subtract 1)
even numbers of distributions=odd numbers of distributions thus by symmetry the answer is 2^8/2=256/2=128.

can you guys please confirm this approach?


How do you figure "even numbers of distributions = odd numbers of distributions" ?

If anything, even is 0-8, 2-6 and 4-4 while odd is 1-7 and 3-5.
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VeritasPrepKarishma,
Obviously I missed that and got lucky. Thank you for pointing it out. So the proper solution is with combinations of 0-8, 2-6 and 4-4.
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Re: In how many ways 8 different tickets can be distributed [#permalink]
Bunuel wrote:
In how many ways 8 different tickets can be distributed between Jane and Bill if each is to receive any even number of tickets and all 8 tickets to be distributed.

A. From 2 to 6 inclusive.
B. From 98 to 102 inclusive.
C. From 122 to 126 inclusive.
D. From 128 to 132 inclusive.
E. From 196 to 200 inclusive.



Since total tickets =8 (even)
each will receive either even or odd number of tickets
Hence Number of ways = 2^7/2 = 128
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Re: In how many ways 8 different tickets can be distributed [#permalink]
Try to give a clear explanation of my approach (although yet mentioned above).

Ways to assign:

8 - 0 ---> 2 ways (8,0 or 0,8)
6 - 2 ---> 2 ways (6,2 or 2,6) but the 6 can be combined in 8! / (6! * 2!) , hence ----> 2 * 28 = 56 #
4 - 4 ---> 1 way but the 4 can be combined in 8! / (4! * 4!) , hence ----> 70 ##

# you are not interested in the other 2 because they are automatically distributed to the other person from the remaining
## the same

For this last concept there is an useful post here

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Mel and Nora share a total of three red marbles, two green marbles, and one blue marble. In how many ways can Mel and Nora divide the marbles between themselves, if it is not necessary for each of them to get at least one marble?

A. \(6\)
B. \(18\)
C. \(24\)
D. \(36\)
E. \(72\)


Official solution from Veritas Prep.

Combinatorics questions, like this one, so often come down to a matter of approach. That is, we can tell the story of this problem in different ways, each of which leads to a valid solution, but some of which lead to far easier solutions than others.

For instance, we might view this problem as “Mel could get zero, one, two, three, four, five, or six marbles, in a variety of color combinations” and then calculate/count the number of possible combinations for each possible number of marbles. We might also rely on the symmetry between Mel and Nora to cut that workload almost in half (calculate for Mel getting zero through two, multiply by \(2\) to account for Nora getting zero through two, then add the case of Mel and Nora each getting three). But even then, we’d be expending a fair amount of brute force effort.

If we tell the story a bit differently, though, we can make the math a lot better. Rather than focus on one of the people and their number of marbles in the aggregate, focus on one of the colors and the number of that type that one person gets. When it comes to red marbles, Mel could wind up with none, one, two, or three – that’s \(4\) possibilities. As for green marbles, Mel could have none, one, or two\(3\) possibilities. And the blue marble is a take-it-or-leave-it proposition\(2\) possibilities. (We don’t have to calculate anything for Nora; she’ll just get whatever is left.) Since we’re distributing red, blue, and green, we multiply these results to find out that there are 432=\(24\) total options.

The correct answer is \(C\).

Did you notice this problem’s connection to the Unique Factors Trick? What we’re doing here is actually a perfect analogy – we’re taking some quantities of identical items from each of several categories, and it really makes no difference whether those items are various colored marbles or various prime factors. It makes sense that the formula is the same – the number of items in each category plus one (to cover the “choose zero” possibility), and then multiply the results.
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