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Re: If x ≠ 0, does x have an odd number of factors? [#permalink]
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I had a doubt in the part where you mention -
(2) x^2 is an integer.
if x is an integer, ans is YES
but if x is not an integer, or example x2=3......x=3√x2=3......x=3... ans is NO
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if i assume = x = 16 i.e. integer and because 16 is a perfect sq. we can conclude = odd no. of integers
However if i assume = x = 2 i.e. integer but because 2 is not a perfect sq. we can conclude = no odd no. of integers,

hence unless we know what the exact value of x is (irrespective of integer or not) = would it not be impossible to state whether or not x having odd # of factors?

if i am missing out on a concept, please guide .
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NidSha wrote:
chetan2u

I had a doubt in the part where you mention -
(2) x^2 is an integer.
if x is an integer, ans is YES
but if x is not an integer, or example x2=3......x=3√x2=3......x=3... ans is NO
insuff

if i assume = x = 16 i.e. integer and because 16 is a perfect sq. we can conclude = odd no. of integers
However if i assume = x = 2 i.e. integer but because 2 is not a perfect sq. we can conclude = no odd no. of integers,

hence unless we know what the exact value of x is (irrespective of integer or not) = would it not be impossible to state whether or not x having odd # of factors?

if i am missing out on a concept, please guide .
TIA



I think you mean x^2 =16 then x=4... X is an integer so x^2 has odd factors
And x^2 =2 then x=√2, here we do not take X as an integer, that is why it is not perfect square.

If you meant X is integer..
X=16, so x^2 =16^2, thus 16^2 is square
X=2 so x^2=2^2=4, again a perfect square
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Re: If x ≠ 0, does x have an odd number of factors? [#permalink]
chetan2u

sorry, i couldn't express concrete,

Ask = does x have odd no. of factors?

i am assuming that i the concept here is right => perfect squares have odd no. of factors | non perfect squares we cant say unless we know the exact number

Hence,
1. if x^sq = 256 ; hence x = 16 and integer; and yes, going by the conceptual assumption because x = perfect square (as 4*4 = 16) => x has odd no. of factors
2. However, if x^sq = 4 ; hence x = 2 and integer; and again, going by the conceptual assumption because x = not a perfect square => x having odd no. of factors is not clear

by the above two example, shouldn't Statement (2) of the question be insufficient irrespective of x being an integer or not?

Thanks for your prompt responses chetan2u
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NidSha wrote:
chetan2u

sorry, i couldn't express concrete,

Ask = does x have odd no. of factors?

i am assuming that i the concept here is right => perfect squares have odd no. of factors | non perfect squares we cant say unless we know the exact number

Hence,
1. if x^sq = 256 ; hence x = 16 and integer; and yes, going by the conceptual assumption because x = perfect square (as 4*4 = 16) => x has odd no. of factors
2. However, if x^sq = 4 ; hence x = 2 and integer; and again, going by the conceptual assumption because x = not a perfect square => x having odd no. of factors is not clear

by the above two example, shouldn't Statement (2) of the question be insufficient irrespective of x being an integer or not?

Thanks for your prompt responses chetan2u



Yes you are absolutely correct in your observation..
If x^2 is an integer, X may be a square or may not be .
However if it is not an integer, it is always NO.
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Thanks a lot for your help :)
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Bunuel wrote:
If x ≠ 0, does x have an odd number of factors?

(1) √x is an integer.

(2) x^2 is an integer.

Beautiful problem!

\(?\,\,\,\,:\,\,\,\,\,\# \,\,\left( {{\text{positive}}} \right)\,\,{\text{factors}}\,\,{\text{odd}}\,\,{\text{?}}\)

Important: it is not known (pre-statements) whether x is an integer (this is part of the problem)!
If x is not an integer, the answer (=focus) is <NO>, because non-integers don´t have factors (by definition, factors are related to integers only)!

Statement (2) will explore that. Let´s start with it!

\(\left( 2 \right)\,\,\,\left\{ \begin{gathered}\\
\,Take\,\,x = \sqrt 2 \,\,\,\,\,\,\left\langle {{\text{NO}}} \right\rangle \,\,\,\,\,\, \hfill \\\\
\,Take\,\,x = 1\,\,\,\,\,\left\langle {{\text{YES}}} \right\rangle \hfill \\ \\
\end{gathered} \right.\)

\(\left( 1 \right)\,\,\sqrt x \,\,\,\operatorname{int} \,\,\,\,\,\, \Rightarrow \,\,\,\,\,\left\{ \begin{gathered}\\
x \geqslant 0\,\,\,\,{\text{implicitly}}\,\,\,\,\,\,\mathop \Rightarrow \limits^{x\,\, \ne \,\,0} \,\,\,\,\,x > 0 \hfill \\\\
x\,\, = {\left( {\sqrt x } \right)^2}\,\, = \,\,{\operatorname{int} ^{\,2}} = {\text{perfect}}\,\,{\text{square}} \hfill \\ \\
\end{gathered} \right.\,\)

\(x\,\,{\text{perfect}}\,\,{\text{square}}\,\,\, \geqslant \,\,\,{\text{1}}\,\,\,\,\,\, \Rightarrow \,\,\,\,\left\{ \begin{gathered}\\
\,\,x = 1\,\,\,\,\, \Rightarrow \,\,\,\,\,\left\langle {{\text{YES}}} \right\rangle \,\,\, \hfill \\\\
\,\,x \geqslant 4\,\,\,\,\, \Rightarrow \,\,\,\,\,{\text{x}}\,{\text{ = }}\,{\text{prime}}{{\text{s}}^{\,{\text{even}}\,{\text{powers}}}}\,\,\, \hfill \\ \\
\end{gathered} \right.\)

\({\text{x}}\,{\text{ = }}\,{\text{prime}}{{\text{s}}^{\,\boxed{{\text{even}}\,\,{\text{powers}}}}}\,\,\,\,\, \Rightarrow \,\,\,\,? = \left( {\boxed{{\text{even}}}\, + 1} \right)\,\, \cdot \left( {\boxed{{\text{even}}}\, + 1} \right) \cdot \ldots \cdot \left( {\boxed{{\text{even}}}\, + 1} \right) = {\text{odd}}\,\,\,\,\, \Rightarrow \,\,\,\,\left\langle {{\text{YES}}} \right\rangle \,\,\)

Important: the explanation above shows the reason why every nonzero perfect square has an odd number of positive factors.

The above follows the notations and rationale taught in the GMATH method.
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Re: If x ≠ 0, does x have an odd number of factors? [#permalink]
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I want to know for statement 1, should we not use x=1 as square root of 1 is also 1, an integer. But 1 would have even no of factors. So the statement would not be sufficient.
If the team could please help.
Thank you .

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I want to know for statement 1, should we not use x=1 as square root of 1 is also 1, an integer. But 1 would have even no of factors. So the statement would not be sufficient.
If the team could please help.
Thank you .


I am no expert here,

But isn't factor of 1 is just one i.e. = 1

Even if we take the inline logic for calculating factors
1^(1+1) = 1^(2) = 1

It will still be 1, which is still an odd factor.

Let me know if your query got addressed or not.
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Deepshikha007 wrote:
Hi

I want to know for statement 1, should we not use x=1 as square root of 1 is also 1, an integer. But 1 would have even no of factors. So the statement would not be sufficient.
If the team could please help.
Thank you .


I am no expert here,

But isn't factor of 1 is just one i.e. = 1

Even if we take the inline logic for calculating factors
1^(1+1) = 1^(2) = 1

It will still be 1, which is still an odd factor.

Let me know if your query got addressed or not.


I do understand the part that 1 would have just 1 factor hence odd no. of factors.
But if we look at it technically then 1^1+1= 1+1 = 2 , an even number.

So technically its even but logically odd.
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