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Neat question but a toughieeee.

A is the answer..Negating A we get = The substances don't differ from the substances already found.Implies we don't need the rainforest preservation.Kills the arguments conclusion that "important types of medicine will never be developed"
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Hi everyone
Can there be any other way to approach this question or assumption questions in general?this is really good one.
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The alternative for negation I can think of is "MUST BE TRUE".Think of assumption questions as must be true questions that can be slightly out of scope.I used negation here just for explanation.I get your point.Applying the technique of negation is just too time consuming in the real exam
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redskull1 and sonusaini1 - I'd argue that it depends on how you apply negation. If you apply negation by writing out the negated answer choice, then I'd agree that it's probably a waste of time. However, if you are doing it in your head (and you've practiced the technique) it's a good strategy to be able to pull out of your toolbox to help eliminate incorrect answer choices and find the right one. (Although it's true that if you don't practice it, it'll take a lot longer than you might be comfortable spending on an assumption question.)
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LauriaOrion mentions ¨If you apply negation by writing out the negated answer choice¨...one question on exam date are we given anything to write things out as say scratch paper....thanks.
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Hey sony1000 -You'll have a five laminated sheets of gridded paper and a "wet erase" marker. :)
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Can some expert please reply as to why option D is not correct.
If the substances cannot be found by the scientists then important types of substances will never be developed?
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Even I narrowed it down to option A, which is the OA. Could have selected E as well. Why is E wrong?

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I am also confused between A and E. I chose E and the OA is A

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I think E is wrong because it is just a replica of the conclusion and a not a gap which fills between premise and conclusion. A talks nothing about the preservation but still is the only left option if one could have eliminated E.
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Can some expert please reply as to why option D is not correct.
If the substances cannot be found by the scientists then important types of substances will never be developed?


Even I have the same doubt... Can anyone explain, Why D is incorrect? GMATNinja GMATNinjaTwo
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Can some expert please reply as to why option D is not correct.
If the substances cannot be found by the scientists then important types of substances will never be developed?


Even I have the same doubt... Can anyone explain, Why D is incorrect? GMATNinja GMATNinjaTwo



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you can easily boil down to A and D, in D there is a subtle difference.
The conclusion of the argument is about if NOT preserve(cause) R.Forests---- Medicinal Values will be lost.(effect)

In the premise the remaining PS LIKELY to contain the Medicinal Values(not absolute that it will contain if studied).

Option D says: Its evident that if PS not preserved then DEFINITELY we will loose the imp MV's, that's wrong!!.

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I do not understand why D wrong.
Option D states: Any substance of medicinal value contained in plant species indigenous to tropical rain forests will eventually be discovered if those species are studied by scientists.

Negating->If substances of medicinal value contained in plant species indigenous to tropical rain forests will eventually NOT be discovered if those species are studied by scientists ->even then important types of medicine will never be developed.
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One thing i have noticed about any question , may it be termed very hard , hard , medium or easy, it all depends on YOUR KNOWLEDGE . No question is difficult, its just that you fall short of the knowledge .
for example, couple of days back there was an SC question ( 5% low dfficulty according to gmatclub) for which I spent 3 minutes and still got it wrong !!! why?? i had no idea about a particular idiom.
similarly, The above CR example (tagged as 95% difficult) , i took hardly 1 minute 15 seconds.
So you see it is not that you cannot solve, its just that you did not have that kinda knowledge.
So do not think that you cannot solve a so-called 700 level question , you can . All you need to do is increase your knowledge.

mikemcgarry has always been saying READ READ READ material from mags articles etc. At first i thot why would i need to know about stock markets or genes in the body, but i read them anyway and today when iread passages (so called convoluted ones) i do not get nervous or anxious , and when you are neither nervous or anxious , al you are left with is focus..

mikemcgarry GMATNinja agree?
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Why is E wrong?

If i negate option E->

Tropical forests should not be preserved to make it possible for imp medicines to be be developed from plant species that have not yet been studied by scientists.

This completely breaks down the argument. For example, what if actually cutting all these trees at once and getting the plants to the scientists is a better way ?

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Why is E wrong?

If i negate option E->

Tropical forests should not be preserved to make it possible for imp medicines to be be developed from plant species that have not yet been studied by scientists.

This completely breaks down the argument. For example, what if actually cutting all these trees at once and getting the plants to the scientists is a better way ?

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This question is a prime example of some of the limitations of the negation technique. It‘s best just to think about what an assumption fundamentally is -- something that must be true in order for the author to reach his/her conclusion.

With that in mind, borrowing from my earlier post, here’s the author’s argument:

GMATNinja wrote:
The conclusion of this argument is: If the tropical rain forests are not preserved, important types of medicine will never be developed.

Here's how the author gets to this conclusion:

  • Many important types of medicine have been developed from substances found in plants -- specifically, plants that only grow in tropical rainforests.
  • Thousands of plant species in these rain forests have not yet been studied by scientists.
  • It's very likely that many of those plant species contain substances of medicinal value.
  • So if the tropical rainforests are not preserved, then important types of medicine (made from substances inside tropical rain forest plants) will never be developed.

And here’s (E):

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(E) The tropical rain forests should be preserved to make it possible for important medicines to be developed from plant species that have not yet been studied by scientists.

Consider the following argument:

    If you do not study for the GMAT, you will not score a 700+.

That’s very different than saying that you SHOULD study for the GMAT in order to score an 700+. In fact, I don’t need to assume that you SHOULD study for the GMAT in order to conclude that if you do not study, you WILL NOT score a 700+.

So, is it necessary that tropical rainforests “SHOULD be preserved” to develop important medicines in order to reach the author’s conclusion? Well, the author’s conclusion is that if the rainforests are not preserved, then important types of medicine will never be developed. But he/she does not have to assume that the rainforests SHOULD be preserved in order to reach that conclusion. It may be the case that rainforests should not be preserved despite the medical benefits.

For that reason, (E) is not an assumption and we can eliminate it.

I hope that helps!
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If the substances cannot be found by the scientists then important types of substances will never be developed?


Even I have the same doubt... Can anyone explain, Why D is incorrect? GMATNinja GMATNinjaTwo

The conclusion of this argument is: If the tropical rain forests are not preserved, important types of medicine will never be developed.

Here's how the author gets to this conclusion:

  • Many important types of medicine have been developed from substances found in plants -- specifically, plants that only grow in tropical rainforests.
  • Thousands of plant species in these rain forests have not yet been studied by scientists.
  • It's very likely that many of those plant species contain substances of medicinal value.
  • So if the tropical rainforests are not preserved, then important types of medicine (made from substances inside tropical rain forest plants) will never be developed.

We're asked if choice (D) is an assumption required by the argument. Let's take a close look at (D) to decide:

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(D) Any substance of medicinal value contained in plant species indigenous to tropical rain forests will eventually be discovered if those species are studied by scientists.

"Any substance" here has the same meaning as "every substance" or "all substances." So according to choice (D), if any substance at all has medicinal value, then that substance will eventually be discovered. In other words, every single substance of medicinal value will be discovered.

But does the conclusion really assume that every single substance of medicinal value will be discovered upon study?

No. Scientists do not have to discover every single substance of medicinal value in order to develop important types of medicine. Put another way, scientists can develop important types of medicine after studying fewer than 100% of the plants that contain these substances. Nothing we've read in the argument suggests otherwise.

Compare this to choice (A):

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(A) There are substances of medicinal value contained in tropical rain forest plants not yet studied by scientists that differ from those substances already discovered in tropical rain forest plants.

This choice recognizes that medicinally valuable substances have already been discovered in tropical rain forest plants. What the conclusion really requires is that some substances in tropical rain forest plants are different from the ones already discovered.

Choice (A) calls out this requirement, as obvious as it might seem. And this choice doesn't slip up by saying something like, "All substances of medicinal value contained in tropical rain forest plants not yet studied by scientists differ from those substances already discovered in tropical rain forest plants." That change in wording would make this answer choice just as wrong as (D).

That's why we eliminate (D) and stick with (A).

I hope this helps!


GMATNinja - For choice D, since it says "eventually" doesn't it seem like one of the assumptions?
If we preserve the rainforests for a very long time (infinity years), then eventually (i.e. over a very long time) the other plants species and their medicinal value can be discovered by scientists.
How do you interpret that time frame "eventually"?

Can you show how to eliminate D using the negation technique?

Here is my thinking:

"Any substance of medicinal value contained in plant species indigenous to tropical rain forests will eventually be discovered if those species are studied by scientists."

Negate - Any substance of medicinal value contained in plant species indigenous to tropical rain forests will NOT eventually be discovered if those species are studied by scientists.
So, we don't need to preserve rainforests and the argument falls apart, making this a correct assumption.

Thanks!
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