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The newest statistics released by the Labor Department indicate that jobless claims are down almost 1 percent, while real wages, which had been expected to rise, have remained steady.

A. wages, which had been expected to rise, have remained
B. wages, that had been expected to rise, remained
C. wages that were expected to rise, instead are remaining
D. wages, which did not rise expectedly, remained
E. wages, which it had been expected would rise, instead are remaining
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Re: The newest statistics released by the Labor Department indicate that j [#permalink] New post   11 Dec 2018, 21:39
Answer should be A since it corrects the which that error also the meaning is correct.
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Re: The newest statistics released by the Labor Department indicate that j [#permalink] New post   11 Dec 2018, 21:51
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The newest statistics released by the Labor Department indicate that jobless claims are down almost 1 percent, while real wages, which had been expected to rise, have remained steady.

A. wages, which had been expected to rise, have remained
B. wages, that had been expected to rise, remained
C. wages that were expected to rise, instead are remaining
D. wages, which did not rise expectedly, remained
E. wages, which it had been expected would rise, instead are remaining


Unfortunately, I don't see any option to be correct. I think this part - have remained steady - should be in present perfect, and the part - which had been expected to rise - is better suited in past tense.
daagh: Please provide your suggestion.
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The newest statistics released by the Labor Department indicate that j [#permalink] New post   Updated on: 12 Dec 2018, 02:15
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The newest statistics released by the Labor Department indicate that jobless claims are down almost 1 percent, while real wages, which had been expected to rise, have remained steady.



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Unfortunately, I don't see any option to be correct. I think this part - have remained steady - should be in present perfect, and the part - which had been expected to rise - is better suited in past tense.
daagh: Please provide your suggestion.

1. I don't get you. ---- this part - have remained steady - should be in present perfect, --- This is already in present perfect. What is the problem then?

2. Can you please write the actual past tense sentence you have in mind?
Please note that the tenor of the entire clause is in the present tense and that there are already two choices namely C and D are in the past tense, perhaps one that you could select. C seems to be ok since the latter part (instead are remaining) seems to sync with the present tense of the main clause.

Can you please re-analyze your rationale?

Originally posted by daagh on 11 Dec 2018, 23:28.
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Re: The newest statistics released by the Labor Department indicate that j [#permalink] New post   12 Dec 2018, 01:45
No asnswer seems to correct.
As per my understanding,It Should be-

wages, which had been expected to rise, remained

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Re: The newest statistics released by the Labor Department indicate that j [#permalink] New post   12 Dec 2018, 08:43
aa008 wrote:
No asnswer seems to correct.
As per my understanding,It Should be-

wages, which had been expected to rise, remained

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I agree
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The newest statistics released by the Labor Department indicate that j [#permalink] New post   Updated on: 13 Dec 2018, 10:41
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Is it correct to shift from the present tense verbs 'indicate' and ' are' to the past and past perfect in one jump? What is also the significance of the word 'while'? how can we say that one arm of a phenomenon namely 'the jobless claims', is in the present tense,
and at the same time another simultaneous event is in the past?

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The newest statistics released by the Labor Department indicate that j [#permalink] New post   12 Dec 2018, 09:29
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The newest statistics released by the Labor Department indicate that jobless claims are down almost 1 percent, while real wages, which had been expected to rise, have remained steady.



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Unfortunately, I don't see any option to be correct. I think this part - have remained steady - should be in present perfect, and the part - which had been expected to rise - is better suited in past tense.
daagh: Please provide your suggestion.

1. I don't get you. ---- this part - have remained steady - should be in present perfect, --- This is already in present perfect. What is the problem then?

2. Can you please write the actual past tense sentence you have in mind?
Please note that the tenor of the entire clause is in the present tense and that there are already two choices namely C and D are in the past tense, perhaps one that you could select. C seems to be ok since the latter part (instead are remaining) seems to sync with the present tense of the main clause.

Can you please re-analyze your rationale?


daagh

Sir as per my understanding correct sentence should be like - wages, which were expected to rise, have remained steady.

We do not need to use past perfect as no sequencing is there. The usage of simple past tense does the job. Kindly let me know if I am missing something.

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Re: The newest statistics released by the Labor Department indicate that j [#permalink] New post   12 Dec 2018, 09:33
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Is it correct to shift from the present tense verbs 'indicate' and ' are' to the past and past perfect in one jump? What is also the significance of the word 'while'? how can we say that one arm of a phenomenon namely 'the jobless claims', is in the present tense, how can another simultaneous event be in the past?


Sir, I get your point. Could you please explain the question and the reasoning further. I'll have a clearer picture then.

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Re: The newest statistics released by the Labor Department indicate that j [#permalink] New post   12 Dec 2018, 11:17
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Arup, The most ideal choice that you want is not one of the choices. If this question appears in the Test, what will you do? The is the crux of the matter IMO
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Re: The newest statistics released by the Labor Department indicate that j [#permalink] New post   12 Dec 2018, 11:26
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I do not know what the author has in mind. As far as I see, this is a test of the tenses and the recognition of 'while' as a simultaneity marker. Maybe TPR's rep can explain it better.
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Re: The newest statistics released by the Labor Department indicate that j [#permalink] New post   13 Dec 2018, 11:36
daagh wrote:
Arup, The most ideal choice that you want is not one of the choices. If this question appears in the Test, what will you do? The is the crux of the matter IMO


Thant absolutely correct. I have to choose the best available option.
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The newest statistics released by the Labor Department indicate that jobless claims are down almost 1 percent, while real wages, which had been expected to rise, have remained steady.

A. wages, which had been expected to rise, have remained
B. wages, that had been expected to rise, remained
C. wages that were expected to rise, instead are remaining
D. wages, which did not rise expectedly, remained
E. wages, which it had been expected would rise, instead are remaining


Hello Guys ArupRS aa008 shobhiitgupta Don't get frustrated with the Question

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Official Answer is: A

Don't get bogged down by the that vs. which conundrum. Instead, look at the verbs. The sentence is in the present tense (jobless claims are down), so remain must be in the present tense also. Eliminate (B) and (D), which are in the past tense. (A) uses have remained, which is consistent, and it properly sets off which had been expected to rise with commas; (C) doesn't do that. (E) has all sorts of problems, not the least of which is its excessive wordiness.

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Re: The newest statistics released by the Labor Department indicate that j [#permalink] New post   14 Dec 2018, 21:21
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The newest statistics released by the Labor Department indicate that jobless claims are down almost 1 percent, while real wages, which had been expected to rise, have remained steady.

A. wages, which had been expected to rise, have remained
B. wages, that had been expected to rise, remained
C. wages that were expected to rise, instead are remaining
D. wages, which did not rise expectedly, remained
E. wages, which it had been expected would rise, instead are remaining


Hello Guys ArupRS aa008 shobhiitgupta Don't get frustrated with the Question

Here is Official Explanation


Official Answer is: A

Don't get bogged down by the that vs. which conundrum. Instead, look at the verbs. The sentence is in the present tense (jobless claims are down), so remain must be in the present tense also. Eliminate (B) and (D), which are in the past tense. (A) uses have remained, which is consistent, and it properly sets off which had been expected to rise with commas; (C) doesn't do that. (E) has all sorts of problems, not the least of which is its excessive wordiness.

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hi SajjadAhmad
Can you please justify the rationale for using past perfect tense in Choice A.
We use past perfect tense for sequencing.
IN this option, there are no 2 past events.
We have a past perfect tense , present perfect tense and a present tense.
Hence IMO Option A is also incorrect.
And also can you point out the reasoning for eliminating Option C more clearly.

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Re: The newest statistics released by the Labor Department indicate that j [#permalink] New post   15 Dec 2018, 10:45
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nitesh50 wrote:
SajjadAhmad wrote:
SajjadAhmad wrote:
The newest statistics released by the Labor Department indicate that jobless claims are down almost 1 percent, while real wages, which had been expected to rise, have remained steady.

A. wages, which had been expected to rise, have remained
B. wages, that had been expected to rise, remained
C. wages that were expected to rise, instead are remaining
D. wages, which did not rise expectedly, remained
E. wages, which it had been expected would rise, instead are remaining


Hello Guys ArupRS aa008 shobhiitgupta Don't get frustrated with the Question

Here is Official Explanation


Official Answer is: A

Don't get bogged down by the that vs. which conundrum. Instead, look at the verbs. The sentence is in the present tense (jobless claims are down), so remain must be in the present tense also. Eliminate (B) and (D), which are in the past tense. (A) uses have remained, which is consistent, and it properly sets off which had been expected to rise with commas; (C) doesn't do that. (E) has all sorts of problems, not the least of which is its excessive wordiness.

Hope it Helps




hi SajjadAhmad
Can you please justify the rationale for using past perfect tense in Choice A.
We use past perfect tense for sequencing.
IN this option, there are no 2 past events.
We have a past perfect tense , present perfect tense and a present tense.
Hence IMO Option A is also incorrect.
And also can you point out the reasoning for eliminating Option C more clearly.

Thank you


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IN this option, there are no 2 past events.


In the sentence it is clear that "expectation" is something occurred earlier than the reality. Expectation couldn't be an event?

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And also can you point out the reasoning for eliminating Option C more clearly.


Use of "that" is inappropriate here.

And Finally we have to choose the best one not the perfect one on the GMAT

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Re: The newest statistics released by the Labor Department indicate that j [#permalink] New post   16 Dec 2018, 08:32
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The newest statistics released by the Labor Department indicate that jobless claims are down almost 1 percent, while real wages, which had been expected to rise, have remained steady.

A. wages, which had been expected to rise, have remained
B. wages, that had been expected to rise, remained
C. wages that were expected to rise, instead are remaining
D. wages, which did not rise expectedly, remained
E. wages, which it had been expected would rise, instead are remaining


What if, the word rise is replaced with raise in A? Will it make sense?
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