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A train left a station P at 6 am and reached another station Q at 11 am. Another train left station Q at 7 am and reached P at 10 am. At what time did the two trains pass one another?

(A) 7:50 am
(B) 8:13 am
(C) 8:30 am
(D) 8:42 am
(E) 9:03 am


We can let t = the number of hours the second train traveled before passing the first train and d = the distance between the two stations. We see that the rate of the first train is d/5 and that of the second train is d/3, and we can create the equation:

d/5 x (t + 1) = d/3 x t

Dividing by d we have:

1/5 x (t + 1) = t/3

Multiplying by 15 we have:

3(t + 1) = 5t

3t + 3 = 5t

3 = 2t

3/2 = 1.5 = t

So the trains passed each other at 8:30am.

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We can let t = the time of the second train and d = the distance between the two stations. We note that the rate of the first train is d/5 and the rate of the second train is d/3. At 7:00am, the first train had been traveling for one hour; thus, it traveled a distance of d/5 x 1 = d/5. Therefore, at 7:00am, the distance between the two trains is d - d/5 = 4d/5.

Since the two trains are traveling towards each other, the distance between the two trains is decreasing by d/5 + d/3 = 8d/15 miles each hour. Thus, a distance of 4d/5 will be covered in (4d/5)/(8d/15) = 3/2 = 1.5 hours. Thus, the two trains will meet at 7:00am + 1.5 hours = 8:30am.

Answer: C
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Bunuel wrote:
A train left a station P at 6 am and reached another station Q at 11 am. Another train left station Q at 7 am and reached P at 10 am. At what time did the two trains pass one another?

(A) 7:50 am
(B) 8:13 am
(C) 8:30 am
(D) 8:42 am
(E) 9:03 am


We can let t = the number of hours the second train traveled before passing the first train and d = the distance between the two stations. We see that the rate of the first train is d/5 and that of the second train is d/3, and we can create the equation:

d/5 x (t + 1) = d/3 x t

Dividing by d we have:

1/5 x (t + 1) = t/3

Multiplying by 15 we have:

3(t + 1) = 5t

3t + 3 = 5t

3 = 2t

3/2 = 1.5 = t

So the trains passed each other at 8:30am.

Alternate Solution:

We can let t = the time of the second train and d = the distance between the two stations. We note that the rate of the first train is d/5 and the rate of the second train is d/3. At 7:00am, the first train had been traveling for one hour; thus, it traveled a distance of d/5 x 1 = d/5. Therefore, at 7:00am, the distance between the two trains is d - d/5 = 4d/5.

Since the two trains are traveling towards each other, the distance between the two trains is decreasing by d/5 + d/3 = 8d/15 miles each hour. Thus, a distance of 4d/5 will be covered in (4d/5)/(8d/15) = 3/2 = 1.5 hours. Thus, the two trains will meet at 7:00am + 1.5 hours = 8:30am.

Answer: C


Hey ScottTargetTestPrep,

I was hoping if you could share the logic behind this equation d/5 x (t + 1) = d/3 x t..

Since this would mean that the distance travelled by the 2 trains in (t+1) and t hrs respectively would be equal, I'm assuming that reaching this conclusion would require some more calculations or probably a shortcut if you could share :)
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Bunuel wrote:
A train left a station P at 6 am and reached another station Q at 11 am. Another train left station Q at 7 am and reached P at 10 am. At what time did the two trains pass one another?

(A) 7:50 am
(B) 8:13 am
(C) 8:30 am
(D) 8:42 am
(E) 9:03 am


Let the distance between P and Q = 5 miles.
Since the first train takes 5 hours (from 6-11am) to travel the 5-mile distance between P and Q, the rate for the first train \(= \frac{d}{t} = \frac{5}{5} = 1\) mph.:
Traveling at 1 mph from 6-7am, the first train covers 1 mile of the 5-mile distance between P and Q, leaving 4 miles between the two trains.

Time and rate have a RECIPROCAL RELATIONSHIP.
Whereas the first train takes 5 hours to travel between P and Q (from 6am to 11am), the second train takes 3 hours (from 7am to 10am).
Since the TIME RATIO for the two trains \(= \frac{first}{second} = \frac{5}{3}\), the RATE RATIO for the two trains \(= \frac{first}{second} = \frac{3}{5}\).

The rate ratio implies the following:
Of every 8 feet traveled when the two trains work together to meet, the first train travels 3 feet, while the second train travels 5 feet.
Thus, the first train travels \(\frac{3}{8}\) of the remaining 4 miles:
\(\frac{3}{8}*4 = 1.5\) miles
Since the rate for the first train = 1 mph, the time for the first train to travel 1.5 miles after 7am to meet the second train \(= \frac{d}{r} = \frac{1.5}{1} = 1.5\) hours.
Thus, the time at which the first train meets the second train = 7am + 1.5 hours = 8:30am.

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Re: A train left a station P at 6 am and reached another station Q at 11 a [#permalink]
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Let the distance between P and Q be 'd' kms. The times taken by the 1st train(T1) and the 2nd train(T2) to cover 'd' are 5 and 3 hours respectively. By the time T2 started from Station Q, T1 had already been travelling for 1 hr and had thus covered (d/5)kms leaving (4d/5)kms between them. Let R denote the point which T1 had reached when T2 starts from Station Q. So at 7am, T1 and T2 start from R and Q respectively towards each other and meet at Point M covering a distance of (4d/5) kms between them. Since, the ratio of the the speeds of T1 and T2 is 3:5, T2 covers (5/8)ths of RQ(4d/5)=
(4d/5)*(5/8)=(d/2)kms to reach the meeting point M.
Since, T2 covers 'd' kms in 3 hrs, it will reach M 1.5 hrs after it starts, i.e at 8:30 am. Ans: C
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Re: A train left a station P at 6 am and reached another station Q at 11 a [#permalink]
let the distance = lcm(3,5)=15kms
speed of first train,P=3 kmph
speed of second train,Q=5kmph
Distance traveled by train P from 6AM-7AM=3km
Relative distance between two trains at 7AM = 15-3=12
Relative speed= 5+3=8
Time taken to meet= 12/8=1.5hrs
They will meet each other at 8:30AM (7+1hr30min)
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Bunuel wrote:
A train left a station P at 6 am and reached another station Q at 11 am. Another train left station Q at 7 am and reached P at 10 am. At what time did the two trains pass one another?

(A) 7:50 am
(B) 8:13 am
(C) 8:30 am
(D) 8:42 am
(E) 9:03 am


Alternate approach:

For the two trains, the time ratio to travel between P and Q \(= \frac{faster-train}{slower-train} = \frac{3-hours}{5-hours}\)
Since time and rate have a reciprocal relationship, the rate ratio for the two trains \(= \frac{faster-train}{slower-train} = \frac{5-mph}{3-mph}\)
Implication of this rate ratio:
Of every 8 miles covered when the two trains travel toward each other, the faster train covers 5 miles, while the slower train covers 3 miles, with the result that the faster train travels 5/8 of the distance between the two trains.
Thus:
If the two trains both left at 7am, the faster train would cover 5/8 of the distance between the two trains and would meet the slower train after traveling for 5/8 of its normal 3-hour time:
\(\frac{5}{8} * 3 =\)\(\frac{15}{8}\) hours

However, from 6am to 7am, the slower train travels for 1/5 of its normal 5-hour time, reducing the distance between the two trains by 1/5.
Since only 4/5 of the distance remains, the faster train must travel for 4/5 of the blue time above:
\(\frac{4}{5} * \frac{15}{8 }=\) 1.5 hours
Since the faster train leaves at 7am and meets the slower train after 1.5 hours, the meeting time for the two trains = 7am + 1.5 hours = 8:30am.

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