HELP Needed 700 Q47 V38.

Have you analyzed your ESR report yet? If not, recommend you to do so, may be you can find out some pattern among your 3 attempts

Gmatclub test as you said is right for you at this moment. With Q47 I think your basics are good
But have you ordered the ESR?
What resource did you use for Quant especially when you got Q49 in your second attempt?

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Tbh, my second time I was just practicing with TN-24/GMAT Prep and religiously doing questions. In fact, I have done the most questions in the second attempt. Third attempt was mostly trying to complete the SC part of e-gmat.

Curious though, why would you say GMAT club test would be great for me now?

The "pace issue" can be addressed if you can ensure that you are strong in the fundamentals. This means that you should feel comfortable answering reasonably complicated questions in about two minutes. Achieving this standard will require practice with typical problems and analyses of your approach.

After you have achieved the above to some extent, then do some timed practice sessions.

I suggest that you try not to focus on the actual score. You will get the score you want if you get the other things working. GL!

Hi CoDes,

First off, your initial 700/Q47 is an outstanding Score, so it could be enough to get you into your first-choice School. When applying to Finance Programs, I agree that the higher your Quant Scaled Score, the better... but a retest might not be necessary. Depending on the Schools that you plan to apply to, you would likely find it beneficial to speak with an Admissions Expert about your overall profile. There's a Forum full of those Experts here:

https://gmatclub.com/forum/ask-admissio ... tants-124/

That all having been said, there's no harm in continuing to study (with the Goal of scoring higher). GMAC has publicly stated that the Official Score that you earn on Test Day is within +/- 30 points of actual ability. Your 3 Official Scores show that you essentially performed the same each time (about 680 +/- a few points). You handle certain aspects of the GMAT consistently well, but you also make certain consistent mistakes. Since these Scores are so similar to one another, it's possible that you have developed some 'bad habits' that are keeping you from scoring higher. To score higher, you're going to have to train to 'see' (and respond to) the GMAT in new ways.

Before I can offer you the specific advice that you’re looking for, it would help if you could provide a bit more information on how you've been studying and your goals:

Studies:
1) How long did you study before each of your Official GMATs? How many hours do you typically study each week?
2) What study materials have you used so far?
3) On what dates did you take EACH of your CATs/mocks and how did you score on EACH (including the Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores for EACH)?

Goals:
4) When are you planning to apply to Business School?
5) What Schools are you planning to apply to?

You might also choose to purchase the Enhanced Score Report for your most recent GMAT. While the ESR doesn’t provide a lot of information, there are usually a few data points that we can use to define what went wrong on Test Day (and what you should work on to score higher). If you purchase the ESR, then I'll be happy to analyze it for you.

GMAT assassins aren't born, they're made,
Rich

Studies:
1) How long did you study before each of your Official GMATs? How many hours do you typically study each week?
I guess I studied 3-4 effective hrs everyday since June.
2) What study materials have you used so far?
Mostly just e-gmat for verbal and practice papers like TN-24,GMAT Prep for Quant
3) On what dates did you take EACH of your CATs/mocks and how did you score on EACH (including the Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores for EACH)?
Honestly I did so many practice mocks, but they are based off a chinese website and doesn't reflect the same scoring mechanism
Goals:
4) When are you planning to apply to Business School?
I plan to take one more GMAT by mid November, then apply by Late November
5) What Schools are you planning to apply to?
LSE,LBS,MIT,Princeton for Masters in Finance

Hi CoDes,

Based on the information that you've provided, I have a few follow-up questions:

1) On what dates did you take your 3 Official GMATs?
2) Over the last 2 months, have you taken any practice CATs from GMAC (the 6 Official CATs) or from Kaplan, MGMAT or Veritas? On what dates did you take those CATs/mocks and how did you score on EACH (including the Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores for EACH)?

GMAT assassins aren't born, they're made,
Rich

Hi CoDes,

The good news is that 700 with Q47/V38 is a great start. Given that your score has decreased on your last two GMAT attempts, it’s a sign that you have some lingering weaknesses in both quant and verbal that are dragging down your GMAT score. Thus, to improve your GMAT score, you need to go through GMAT quant and verbal carefully to find your exact weaknesses, fill gaps in your knowledge, and strengthen your skills. The overall process will be to learn all about how to answer question types with which you currently aren't very comfortable, and do dozens of practice questions category by category, basically driving up your score point by point. For example, if you find that you are not strong in answering Number Properties questions, then carefully review the conceptual underpinnings of how to answer Number Properties questions and practice by answering 50 or more questions just from Number Properties: LCM, GCF, units digit patterns, divisibility, remainders, etc. When you are working on learning to answer questions of a particular type, start off taking your time, and then seek to speed up as you get more comfortable answering questions of that type. As you do such practice, do a thorough analysis of each question that you don't get right. If you got a remainder question wrong, ask yourself why. Did you make a careless mistake? Did you not properly apply the remainder formula? Was there a concept you did not understand in the question? By carefully analyzing your mistakes, you will be able to efficiently fix your weaknesses and in turn improve your GMAT quant skills. Number Properties is just one example; follow this process for all quant topics.

Each time you strengthen your understanding of a topic and your skill in answering questions of a particular type, you increase your odds of hitting your score goal. You know that there are types of questions that you are happy to see, types that you would rather not see, and types that you take a long time to answer correctly. Learn to more effectively answer the types of questions that you would rather not see, and make them into your favorite types. Learn to correctly answer in two minutes or less questions that you currently take five minutes to answer. By finding, say, a dozen weaker quant areas and turning them into strong areas, you will make great progress toward hitting your quant score goal. If a dozen areas turn out not to be enough, strengthen some more areas.

You can work on verbal in a similar manner. Let’s say you are reviewing Critical Reasoning. Be sure that you practice a large number of Critical Reasoning questions: Strengthen and Weaken the Argument, Resolve the Paradox, find the Conclusion, Must be True, etc. As you go through the questions, do a thorough analysis of each question that you don't get correct. If you missed a Weaken question, ask yourself why. Did you make a careless mistake? Did you not recognize what the question was asking? Did you skip over a key detail in an answer choice? Getting GMAT verbal questions right is a matter of what you know, what you see, and what you do. So, any time that you don't get one right, you can seek to identify what you had to know to get the right answer, what you had to see that you didn't see, and what you could have done differently to arrive at the correct answer.

So, work on accuracy and generally finding correct answers, work on specific weaker areas one by one to make them strong areas, and when you take a practice GMAT or the real thing, take all the time per question available to do your absolute best to get right answers consistently. The GMAT is essentially a game of seeing how many right answers you can get in the time allotted. Approach the test with that conception in mind, and focus intently on the question in front of you with one goal in mind: getting a CORRECT answer.


In order to follow the path described above, you may need some new quant and verbal materials, so take a look at the GMAT Club reviews for the best quant and verbal courses. You also may find it helpful to read the following article about The Phases of Preparing for the GMAT.

Feel free to reach out with any further questions. Good luck!

Hmm you can only take gmat 5 times in 365 days and 8 times in lifetime. Consider again when you are to take the 4th.

Egmat is quite good, but in my opinion as non-native speaker, egmat alone is not sufficient to score 700 above. I did all scholaranium twice back in 2017 and scored 680.

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If I were you, I would choose mba program in some business schools, that have 700 median/mean score, and concentrate to strengthen my application. Being stuck in increasing gmat doesn't make us progress.

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CoDes, I am sorry to hear that you did not improve as much as you wanted to. Please send us an email at support@e-gmat.com with your ESR and a brief description of how you have prepared. For example, tell us what you prepared from e-GMAT - did you do Stage 1 and 2 in all the sub-sections of verbal? What was your accuracy in easy questions in Scholaranium for each sub-section, medium questions, and hard questions? What is your approach for each type of verbal question? Give us all this information and we will help you ace the test.

chondro48 - you are entitled to your opinion, but if you look at data it would { hopefully or not } change your opinion that "egmat alone is not sufficient to score above 700".

Data 1: Succes stories on Share GMAT Experience - 11 pages (500 +), predominantly successful students - https://gmatclub.com/forum/search.php?s ... tag_id=488 . The next best is Magoosh - https://gmatclub.com/forum/search.php?s ... tag_id=493 with nearly not the same mix of successful vs. unsuccessful. Most of these students have scored above 700.

Data 2: Reviews - 1857 vs. fewer than 1000 for everyone. Most partners have fewer than 300. Note, most partners claim to have as many or more students as we do. For example, Empower GMAT claims to have helped 31,000 students. Magoosh - probably more than 500,000 (across courses, but the GMAT would definitely be more than 50,000). our base is ~40,000 students till date.

Data 3: More unedited video interviews on our YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... caQTR6mAia

Does everyone who takes our course succeed - absolutely not .. in the same way, that everyone who goes to HBS does not become a CEO. But a good inference from this data would be that a) numerous people who take our courses do (and score above 700) and there is good evidence of that. Secondly, a higher percentage of those who take our courses succeed.

Again, you are entitled to your opinion and I would not ask you to change the same. I am merely highlighting the data which is there on GMAT Club.

Per my understanding getting the last 30 points increase (700 - 730) is much more difficult than getting an increase from 600 to 630.
so, I would choose universities that accept a score of 700. I guess a good application can do the trick.