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DaenerysTargaryen wrote:
I need to take the GMAT for an application that is due by 3/31. I took a cold Kaplan practice test: 610: Q35, V38. I want at least a 700 on the actual GMAT so I asked two friends for advice on prep courses (both scored over 700 on their own tests, 100+ point improvements after prep courses). I'm now in two prep courses: Veritas Prep's live (now virtual) course and The Economist GMAT Tutor. The Veritas Prep classes don't actually start until 10/17 (ending 11/22), but I've had a chance to finish the prep material for the first two classes and have completed enough of the enough of The Economist GMAT Tutor that I'm on target to finish all the lessons by the end of the month. My issue is that I'm still getting a ton of the questions wrong on the math section. In past standardized testing, I've always done much better on the verbal section (~95th percentile on the GRE) than the math section (something horrible on GRE, don't remember), but I've never really studied for either. Can you direct me to an existing forum question on this type of problem -- decent on verbal, bad at math, with absolutely no effective study skills.

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Hi DaenerysTargaryen,
Since your innate skills in Verbal are great, you should focus primarily on quant and then you are very likely to hit your score goal.
Also, take a GMAT Prep test to establish a baseline.

In my opinion, the quant section of Target Test Prep is top-notch. The structure of its' course is designed to build on your skills so that you can score higher.
For strategy advice, reach out to MartyTargetTestPrep
https://gmat.targettestprep.com/

A long time ago, I did use Veritas Prep online and it was pretty decent too.

Hope this helps! :)
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I highly recommend the MANHATTAN STUDY GUIDES for the theories and strategies. For more problems, you can refer to the OG or take GMAT Club Test. :)

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Week 1
Kalpan Practice Test #1 – 35Q / 38V – 610

I took a practice test cold with no understanding of the concepts or question types. There were moments in the math section where I found the questions completely laughable as I had no fathomable way to begin answering the question.

My search began for a test prep program and I quickly burned through money blindly following the advice of friends. If you’ve read this far in, please do take advantage of every free or low-cost trial available before sinking hundreds of dollars into any one program.

Veritas Prep: BORING prep material and a very basic website. If you order the print version of the prep books, you’ll spend extra money ($40 for me) to receive a chill-inducing, HEAVY box of books that may discourage you based on how much time you have ahead of you on your GMAT prep journey.

The general “On Demand” videos and live online classes are engaging, but all of the other videos are shoddy. They are excellent for inducing sleep, however. No more ambien for me! I think if you actually complete all of the uninteresting books and do intense analytic self-tracking of your mistakes (“error logging” – my instructor sent the class a sad excel spreadsheet for this task, which can be done for you in some other programs) then you will have a good outcome. You have access to decent “skillbuilder” sections, lessons, practice problems, CAT tests and solution descriptions along with email support when you need further explanation. Do not be discouraged by the practice problems – you aren’t meant to get them all, or even most of them, right. They do not do a good job explaining this or guiding you on how much you need to get right to consider the section sufficiently covered.
Best Feature So Far: Support. I bought the video-on-demand package and when I had issues, they upgraded me to the much-more-expensive live virtual class for free. They care about doing a good job and the wealth of resources + their customer dedication shows that.
Biggest Opportunity So Far: Integrated user experience. All the great things about the program are all over the place. It’s frustrating for skillbuilder solutions, practice problems and ebooks to live in different places on the site.
Biggest Drawback So Far: Price. There is no self-guided option at a low price point. Expect spend at least $499, excluding special promotions like Black Friday.

The Economist/ExamPAL: Beware, an engaging presenter sells you on the program, but 95% of the video content is narrated by two blah offscreen voices. All of them are men – no diversity? The selling point of the program is that it uses artificial intelligence and machine learning (I guess) to serve up questions tailored to you. The problem with this method is that in the initial prep, there are a fixed number of questions (30) per topic per video, no automated error tracking to understand strengths and weaknesses, and even if you’re proactive enough to do your own error tracking, there is absolutely no way to tap into more questions on that same topic. Only until you’ve reached the end of the training material, which could take many weeks or months, will you be able to access “maintenance mode” to go through a lot of questions. You still have no choice on what these questions will be. Trust the AI will save me on the other side? Depending on the package you purchase or the number of “credits” you have / are willing to purchase, you can have a tutor analyze your performance to get feedback on your strengths and weaknesses.
Best Feature So Far: Tutor support on questions you don’t understand (but don’t ask them about a non-Economist/ExamPAL question, they will not help you.) This is not a unique feature, every program I have tried provides support on the questions they provide, but I honestly can’t think of another “best feature.” I am hoping it is a slow burn where the AI pays off after using it for a long time.
Biggest Opportunity So Far: Transparency. Why is this “intelligent” program showing me *this* question? I should have access to the rationale the AI is using to supply the question because that will in turn help me understand areas I need to work on. They already admit that their “expert assessment” of your performance uses computer-generated data; given the price, they should provide this information for free.
Biggest Drawback So Far: Price. There are many programs available that do not carry the “Economist” brand, but are able to offer solid material at a much lower price.

Magoosh: Unlike Veritas Prep and The Economist, I did not purchase Magoosh; I learned by then that I should not get too excited and instead, leverage the free trials. I can only give the general impression that it seems reasonably good, especially for the price. I liked the flashcards, I did all the quant flashcards, but they are woefully inadequate if you’re actually trying to memorize everything you need to know or even 20% of what you need to know. It’s useful that it has an app when you’re on the go and have a moment, however at the time of writing this there is a global pandemic, so I’m not really going anywhere and hardly touched the app. I imagine it is indispensable for quick, but valuable incremental bursts of knowledge throughout the prep process. I have to admit that I wanted to comment more on Magoosh so I just used a different email address to sign up for another trial. While it doesn’t boast the many thousands of questions some other programs I have (only 700, while Kaplan boasts 5,000+ for, TargetTestPrep has 3,000+, etc.) there are question analytics and support when you don’t understand a question. I think this probably a pretty good program. If I didn’t feel bad about re-using trial time, I would probably try it out more so I could give a more informed opinion.
Best Feature So Far: Question-by-question analytics with the ability to take notes.
Biggest Opportunity So Far: Construct the Lessons tab in a way that is guided and meaningful. Lists of topics are just overwhelming.
Biggest Drawback So Far: Low number of practice questions. 700 is not a lot compared to the many thousand that others offer.

TargetTestPrep: (Quant focus, Verbal is in “pre-launch” with material only covering sentence correction and critical reasoning, with reading comprehension coming soon) While potentially exhausting, I find this program exhaustive so far: more thorough prep material, meaningful performance analytics and a gradual approach that suits my learning style. The prep material is broken down into more parts than the other programs and goes into more depth with each of those parts. They also frequently test for understanding during the prep material and then through a series of discrete easy / medium / hard question sets with achievable goals: 90%+ accuracy on the easy questions, 70%+ accuracy on the medium questions and 60%+ on the hard questions. You can of course aim higher if you want – everything is measured. The web design is superior to any prep program I have seen.
Best Feature So Far: Outrageously detailed analytics that put everything in perspective. I think this will be instrumental in improving.
Biggest Opportunity So Far: Create a mobile app to allow for practice on-the-go.
Biggest Drawback So Far: No videos for setting broader context on the exam. This can be effective for priming students. From what I can tell, the videos are dedicated to question solutions.

Please let me know if anything I've said is not correct! Looking forward to completing week 2.
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Hello DaenerysTargaryen,

GMAT club is one of the great platforms to get information about the GMAT official test, Study plan, Section wise instructions, and many more.

Your current mock score s decent but shaky. You can schedule a Free counseling(https://calendly.com/mathrevolution/1-on-1-session) session for 20 mins with one of our experts if you want detailed advice on your current study plans

It would help if you weren’t unhappy with initial practice test scores. The practice test score will help design a systematic study plan that will cover all loopholes in learning.

A couple of things that can be a noticeable barrier to your scores would be some or all of the below.

• Lack of basic math skills
• Not detailed knowledge of GMAT Math pattern and Question types
• Inefficiency by using time-consuming Conventional method to tackle DS and PS questions still
• No expert support (maybe) who can tutor, analyze, and guide you during your learning
• Lack of many updated questions and practice in the recent exam trend
• Not well aligned with time to solve questions.


Precisely, there has to be one end-to-end solution encompassing all the points mentioned above. We also want to understand how old that diagnostic score is. If it has passed at least two weeks, then you can try our free diagnostic test https://www.mathrevolution.com/diagnostic/dtExamMember and receive a comprehensive study guide by topic. This test will clearly help you understand your weak areas.

Your study plan will now change as you are already ready with the vital concepts and their application. The diagnostic test report will give us detailed insight into various topics and your performance. After an in-depth analysis, we will draw out the category of the topics in which you are already better and those where you need more improvement. Also, we will be able to compare your performance while solving the PS and DS questions


Also, make a note of various possible combinations to achieve a score of 700 or 700+. The possible scores will help you track your performance after taking the mock or practice test. It will also help you maintain balance in both the sections, and you will always be in a great position to allot the study hours to a specific area accordingly.

The possible score combinations for 700 or 700 +: Q should be Q 46, 47, 48, and V should be V38, 39, 40.

We recommend that you must learn the Variable Approach for solving DS questions and the IVY approach for solving PS questions in order to improve your accuracy and save time while solving the question types.

Register with MathRevolution https://www.mathrevolution.com/member/signup to get access to our 7-day full on-demand course (27 topics, 490 subtopics, and 1,500 questions) for free trial lessons.

700+ level questions https://www.mathrevolution.com/gmat/questionbank are separately available, too. Start with the learning of the concepts. Make a habit of taking notes during the initial learning of the concepts.

After registering, you will have access to the practice section. Initially, try solving the DS and/or PS questions from very easy and easy category questions on the topic(s) you have learned. You may also connect with one of our experts to get one of the best tutoring supports, which will help understand the topic(s) and solve questions and learn how to manage time and accuracy.

The most important for you will be learning and commanding the Variable Approach for DS questions and IVY Approach for PS questions. These approaches are the robust self-designed time-saving techniques that will help you learn efficiently, thus raising your score in the quick nick of time.

Adding to the same, mastery of the Variable Approach to solve DS questions and the IVY approach to solve PS questions would add a feather to the cap. Below is the useful link we will recommend you to visit on GMAT club to experience the power of DS and IVY approaches.

Ultimate Q51 guide: https://gmatclub.com/forum/the-ultimate ... l#p1613600

Breakdown of GMAT math questions and types: https://gmatclub.com/forum/overview-of- ... l#p1641411


Regular tests will reflect the positive change in the score, and hence, your confidence will boost up. Gradually, with the help of mock tests, you will be able to compete with time and hence will be able to learn time-management.

We appreciate your time and patience in reading this reply.

Should you need any further information, please do not hesitate to contact us at info@mathrevolution.com

Success is within your reach.
Good luck!

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Thanks for the feedback so far!

MathRevolution, I definitely have a lack of basic math skills and use my time inefficiently. I will check out your site.

Kaplan Practice Test #2 - Q38 (+3 points from last week)

Although my quant score is +3 points from last week, I'm skeptical that it's not just a fluctuation. I want to take an official GMAC test, but each program I've trialed suggests saving them for after you finish the first wave of prep since there are only 6 GMAC tests available.

Anyway, I've now spent more than 40 hours on TargetTestPrep's quant section. I chose TargetTestPrep because of its thoroughness, analytics, and the gradual testing: topic-by-topic easy/medium/hard chapter tests. I'm now 33% through the lessons, but I've only covered Essentials, Linear and Quadratic Equations, and Number Properties (3 of the 19 modules that have tests so presumably the other sections are shorter). Does anyone else find most Number Properties content to be frustrating and completely impractical? I suppose after the GMAT, I won't use most of what I've learned for quant, but at least equations and word problems are valuable for case interviews.

Does anyone have advice on how long to spend on each practice question?[/u] The chapter tests in TargetTestPrep require hitting a certain accuracy level for that section to be complete so I find myself spending a lot of time on every question (even though you can move on to any section you want at any time and retake the tests later). My concern with going back to take them again is that I tend to remember the answers to most of the questions.

Also, any recommendation on how frequently I should take a practice test? It kind of felt like a waste of time taking it so quickly after the first one. I didn't even do the verbal section because I haven't studied verbal yet.

Thanks for any advice!
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GMAC Practice Test #1 - 660 Q37, V44

Counting this as week 3 because there was a built-in break to my study plan due to an expected work-life conflict, although I was able to make flashcards for almost all of the sections on TargetTestPrep to aid in my studying as I start to take all the chapter tests.

I wanted to get a "real" baseline using a GMAC practice test. As expected, my verbal score was high but I was glad to see the quant score was close to the improvement I saw with the second Kaplan test. Another thing I noticed is that just from reviewing the TargetTestPrep content, I was very quickly able to spot and understand why I got a quant question wrong. I think actually practicing the questions through the chapter tests will provide a big bump in my score. I am hoping for a Q45+ when I finish the full program and feel the structure of TargetTestPrep is going to help me a lot now that I've made myself a bit more comfortable by doing a first pass of the content.

I'm also hoping that with practice, I can attain a V455. Does anyone know if any of the prep programs out there are considered top prep for the Verbal section specifically? Or perhaps known for having the best practice questions? I'm not sure how to study for verbal other than doing a lot of practice questions and studying the grammar that is tested. The Economist suggests reading The Economist (that's a bit self-serving, no?) but I suppose reading any dense material in unfamiliar subjects and trying to parse through purpose, how to strengthen/weaken arguments, etc., could be helpful though kind of unstructured. Any suggestions would be appreciated!
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Kaplan Practice Test Q46 / V43


Thrilled with Target Test Prep! My quant score has improved dramatically since my first Kaplan Practice test (Q35 to Q46). I'm only 60% through the TTP course, though I should say I am not going in the order it recommends, which could be hampering my overall progress. The course is broken into 19 sequential quantitative categories with easy/medium/hard questions, tests before each category that try to hit each previous category and intermittent "global" tests that are more in-depth to hit previous categories. Instead of going category by category, I've finished all the "easy" level questions and nearly all of the "medium" level questions. I found the "hard" level questions killed my motivation because my scores were so low and I wanted to be able to hit all of the content early on so I could study it more frequently. In a couple of days I'll have nothing but the "hard" level questions left so that's pretty daunting, but still thrilled with the course overall! I never thought I could actually score even as high as a Q46.
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