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Can you please tell the reason why D must be eliminated.

Is it because what exactly results in the act of stinging is not clear with this statement ?

Or are there any other errors in this statement?


I might not be GMATNinja, but does this helps?
As the honeybee’s stinger is heavily barbed, staying where it is inserted, this results in the act of stinging causing the bee to sustain a fatal injury.

As the honeybee’s stinger is heavily barbed, staying where it is inserted, this results in the act of stinging causing the bee to sustain a fatal injury.

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(A) As the honeybee’s stinger is heavily barbed, staying where it is inserted, this results in the act of stinging causing

What results? The honeybee’s stinger staying where it is inserted
"This" cannot refer to a whole clause

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(B) As the heavily barbed stinger of the honeybee stays where it is inserted, with the result that the act of stinging causes

When we see "As ____ " we expect to find a main clause afterwords, but here we find "with the result ___".
So there is no main clause

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(C) The honeybee’s stinger, heavily barbed and staying where it is inserted, results in the fact that the act of stinging causes

If we cross this part the sentence should make sense. As it does not C is wrong.
The honeybee’s stinger, heavily barbed and staying where it is inserted, results in the fact that the act of stinging causes

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(D) The heavily barbed stinger of the honeybee stays where it is inserted, and results in the act of stinging causing

Those are not two independent actions: as the stinger stays ___ ==>the bee dies.
When we used "and", it appears that there are two independent actions, hence: wrong

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(E) The honeybee’s stinger is heavily barbed and stays where it is inserted, with the result that the act of stinging causes

I had never seen "with the", but as explained above... It is right!
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Hi debayan,

This is my response to a PM on this one.

As the honeybee’s stinger is heavily barbed, staying where it is inserted, this results in the act of stinging causing the bee to sustain a fatal injury.

(A) As the honeybee’s stinger is heavily barbed, staying where it is inserted, this results in the act of stinging causing
(B) As the heavily barbed stinger of the honeybee stays where it is inserted, with the result that the act of stinging causes
(C) The honeybee’s stinger, heavily barbed and staying where it is inserted, results in the fact that the act of stinging causes
(D) The heavily barbed stinger of the honeybee stays where it is inserted, and results in the act of stinging causing
(E) The honeybee’s stinger is heavily barbed and stays where it is inserted, with the result that the act of stinging causes

Since the meaning of this sentence is not difficult to understand, let’s evaluate the errors in this sentence:

Error Analysis:
1. There is no antecedent for “this”. Being a pronoun, “this” must refer to a noun, but from the meaning of the sentence, we know that an action results in something.
2. Also, only an action can “result in” something. We cannot say “a thing” “result in” something.
3. Notice the construction of this part “… of stinging causing…”. This is ungrammatical. We can only use a verb-ing word in this construction if it is a modifier.

PoE:

(A) As the honeybee’s stinger is heavily barbed, staying where it is inserted, this results in the act of stinging causing: Incorrect for the reasons stated above.

(B) As the heavily barbed stinger of the honeybee stays where it is inserted, with the result that the act of stinging causes: Incorrect. Per this choice, there is no independent clause in the sentence.

(C) The honeybee’s stinger, heavily barbed and staying where it is inserted, results in the fact that the act of stinging causes: Incorrect. It repeats the second error of choice A. Per this choice, the sentence says “The honeybee’s stingers” (a thing) results in something.

(D) The heavily barbed stinger of the honeybee stays where it is inserted, and results in the act of stinging causing: Incorrect. It repeats the third error in the original choice.

(E) The honeybee’s stinger is heavily barbed and stays where it is inserted, with the result that the act of stinging causes: Correct.

Hope this helps. :)
Thanks.
Shraddha.


Hi Shraddha,

I did not understand the 3rd error:
3. Notice the construction of this part “… of stinging causing…”. This is ungrammatical. We can only use a verb-ing word in this construction if it is a modifier.

The part 'act of stinging' is a noun phrase and 'causing' modifies this noun phrase in option D. Could you please explain it little bit more about the usage of the modifier causing.

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Hi debayan,

This is my response to a PM on this one.

As the honeybee’s stinger is heavily barbed, staying where it is inserted, this results in the act of stinging causing the bee to sustain a fatal injury.

(A) As the honeybee’s stinger is heavily barbed, staying where it is inserted, this results in the act of stinging causing
(B) As the heavily barbed stinger of the honeybee stays where it is inserted, with the result that the act of stinging causes
(C) The honeybee’s stinger, heavily barbed and staying where it is inserted, results in the fact that the act of stinging causes
(D) The heavily barbed stinger of the honeybee stays where it is inserted, and results in the act of stinging causing
(E) The honeybee’s stinger is heavily barbed and stays where it is inserted, with the result that the act of stinging causes

Since the meaning of this sentence is not difficult to understand, let’s evaluate the errors in this sentence:

Error Analysis:
1. There is no antecedent for “this”. Being a pronoun, “this” must refer to a noun, but from the meaning of the sentence, we know that an action results in something.
2. Also, only an action can “result in” something. We cannot say “a thing” “result in” something.
3. Notice the construction of this part “… of stinging causing…”. This is ungrammatical. We can only use a verb-ing word in this construction if it is a modifier.

PoE:

(A) As the honeybee’s stinger is heavily barbed, staying where it is inserted, this results in the act of stinging causing: Incorrect for the reasons stated above.

(B) As the heavily barbed stinger of the honeybee stays where it is inserted, with the result that the act of stinging causes: Incorrect. Per this choice, there is no independent clause in the sentence.

(C) The honeybee’s stinger, heavily barbed and staying where it is inserted, results in the fact that the act of stinging causes: Incorrect. It repeats the second error of choice A. Per this choice, the sentence says “The honeybee’s stingers” (a thing) results in something.

(D) The heavily barbed stinger of the honeybee stays where it is inserted, and results in the act of stinging causing: Incorrect. It repeats the third error in the original choice.

(E) The honeybee’s stinger is heavily barbed and stays where it is inserted, with the result that the act of stinging causes: Correct.

Hope this helps. :)
Thanks.
Shraddha.


Hi Shraddha,

I did not understand the 3rd error:
3. Notice the construction of this part “… of stinging causing…”. This is ungrammatical. We can only use a verb-ing word in this construction if it is a modifier.

The part 'act of stinging' is a noun phrase and 'causing' modifies this noun phrase in option D. Could you please explain it little bit more about the usage of the modifier causing.

Regards,
Deepak Patel


As the honeybee’s stinger is heavily barbed, staying where it is inserted, this results in the act of stinging causing the bee to sustain a fatal injury.
Here causing is modifying to act
Act causing xyx is uvw.
Ram wearing red clothes went to supermarket
wearing red clothes describing about Ram

What the intent meaning is:
Ram went to supermarket, spending 100$ on the way.
Now verb+ing is modfying the entire previous clause or result of the clause
Sales have increased , making our company no. 1 in the market.- end result of sales increased

In original sentence, causing the bee to sustain is result of what?
here what is == act of stinging
so comma + verb+ing modifier is needed.

In other words:
Action ( verb) by doer (subject ) results in something --comma + verb +ing modifier
describing a doer ( subject) only then no need comma ; just verb+ing ( without comma)

I hope it answers your question.
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Can you please tell the reason why D must be eliminated.

Is it because what exactly results in the act of stinging is not clear with this statement ?

Or are there any other errors in this statement?



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first off, the construction (preposition) + NOUN + VERBing is WRONG, unless the preposition refers directly to the NOUN. (that isn't usually the case, so, if you're in doubt, you should strike choices with this sort of construction.)

for instance:
i've never heard of bees stinging dogs
WRONG. this is not an issue of whether you've heard of bees themselves; it's an issue of whether you've heard of their stinging dogs.

...results in the act of stinging causing...
WRONG. this doesn't result in the act of stinging itself; it results in what is caused by the act of stinging.

i have a picture of my cousin playing hockey.
CORRECT. this time, the picture is actually of my cousin, so we're good.

therefore, (a) and (d) are wrong because of "...results in the act of stinging causing...".
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Hi debayan,

This is my response to a PM on this one.

As the honeybee’s stinger is heavily barbed, staying where it is inserted, this results in the act of stinging causing the bee to sustain a fatal injury.

(A) As the honeybee’s stinger is heavily barbed, staying where it is inserted, this results in the act of stinging causing
(B) As the heavily barbed stinger of the honeybee stays where it is inserted, with the result that the act of stinging causes
(C) The honeybee’s stinger, heavily barbed and staying where it is inserted, results in the fact that the act of stinging causes
(D) The heavily barbed stinger of the honeybee stays where it is inserted, and results in the act of stinging causing
(E) The honeybee’s stinger is heavily barbed and stays where it is inserted, with the result that the act of stinging causes

Since the meaning of this sentence is not difficult to understand, let’s evaluate the errors in this sentence:

Error Analysis:
1. There is no antecedent for “this”. Being a pronoun, “this” must refer to a noun, but from the meaning of the sentence, we know that an action results in something.
2. Also, only an action can “result in” something. We cannot say “a thing” “result in” something.
3. Notice the construction of this part “… of stinging causing…”. This is ungrammatical. We can only use a verb-ing word in this construction if it is a modifier.

PoE:

(A) As the honeybee’s stinger is heavily barbed, staying where it is inserted, this results in the act of stinging causing: Incorrect for the reasons stated above.

(B) As the heavily barbed stinger of the honeybee stays where it is inserted, with the result that the act of stinging causes: Incorrect. Per this choice, there is no independent clause in the sentence.

(C) The honeybee’s stinger, heavily barbed and staying where it is inserted, results in the fact that the act of stinging causes: Incorrect. It repeats the second error of choice A. Per this choice, the sentence says “The honeybee’s stingers” (a thing) results in something.

(D) The heavily barbed stinger of the honeybee stays where it is inserted, and results in the act of stinging causing: Incorrect. It repeats the third error in the original choice.

(E) The honeybee’s stinger is heavily barbed and stays where it is inserted, with the result that the act of stinging causes: Correct.

Hope this helps. :)
Thanks.
Shraddha.



Hi Shraddha,
One doubt is there. Is it correct to use "with the result that...." Is it acting as a dependent Clause??
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A) as+cause, Clause.
The most important point is “causing”. There is no verb in sentence

B) AS “the heavily barbed…… where it is inserted”
In this clause, the meaning is wrong. Per this choice, there is no independent clause in the sentence.

C) barbed and staying
Come on guys, this point is easy

D)and results no sense

E) yep bingo
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As the honeybee’s stinger is heavily barbed, staying where it is inserted, this results in the act of stinging causing the bee to sustain a fatal injury.


Quote:
(A) As the honeybee’s stinger is heavily barbed, staying where it is inserted, this results in the act of stinging causing

The modifer staying where it is inserted is modifying the fact that the honeybee’s stinger is heavily barbed, a sentence that doesn’t quite make sense. Also, “this” is incorrectly used to refer to the fact that the stinger is heavily barbed. Eliminate.

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(B) As the heavily barbed stinger of the honeybee stays where it is inserted, with the result that the act of stinging causes

Two subordinate clauses without an independent clause in the sentence is incorrect here. As and With are both acting as connectors but only one should be used. “As” could be removed or “with the” could be replaced a result. Eliminate.

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(C) The honeybee’s stinger, heavily barbed and staying where it is inserted, results in the fact that the act of stinging causes

Heavily barbed and staying where it is inserted are non-restrictive modifiers, so removing them, the sentence reads…The honeybee’s stinger results in the fact that the act of stinging causes …nonsense! Also, the use of “results in the fact” seems awkward and redundant. Out.

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(D) The heavily barbed stinger of the honeybee stays where it is inserted, and results in the act of stinging causing

Again, same as C, the heavily barbed stinger results in the act of stinging is not the intended meaning. The sentence intends to say that because the stinger stays where it is inserted, the bee sustains a fatal injury. Also, the use of comma + and is used to connect a subordinate clause seems incorrect. Out.

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(E) The honeybee’s stinger is heavily barbed and stays where it is inserted, with the result that the act of stinging causes

Finally, a sentence that looks good. Honeybee’s stinger is heavily barbed and stays where it is inserted and this fact results in the fact of stinging causing….the comma + prep phrase correctly modifies just as a present participle would. The correct choice.
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Dear Expert,

I am also confused about the use of "with the result that" in option E. What part of speech is it and if it's a modifier, what exactly does it modify?

Or is it just a phrase that replaces "therefore"?

When you see: CLAUSE + COMMA + PREPOSITION, the prepositional phrase can modify the entire previous clause, the same way an "-ing" modifier could. For example:

    "Tim juggled torches to entertain his neighbors, with the result that much of the neighborhood is now on fire."

"With the result that" modifies the previous clause about Tim juggling torches. Makes sense.

As for your question, if we begin the second clause with "therefore," the meaning will be more or less the same, but the grammar is slightly different. For example:

    "Tim juggled torches to entertain his neighbors; therefore, much of the neighborhood is now on fire."

Notice that now we need a semicolon to separate the two clauses, since the second clause could stand on its own as a complete sentence, but the idea conveyed is similar to the previous example.

I hope that helps!


CLAUSE + COMMA + PREPOSITION : the prepositional phrase can modify the entire previous clause


What if without COMMA.. PREPOSITION ?
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shabuzen102 wrote:
Dear Expert,

I am also confused about the use of "with the result that" in option E. What part of speech is it and if it's a modifier, what exactly does it modify?

Or is it just a phrase that replaces "therefore"?

When you see: CLAUSE + COMMA + PREPOSITION, the prepositional phrase can modify the entire previous clause, the same way an "-ing" modifier could. For example:

    "Tim juggled torches to entertain his neighbors, with the result that much of the neighborhood is now on fire."

"With the result that" modifies the previous clause about Tim juggling torches. Makes sense.

As for your question, if we begin the second clause with "therefore," the meaning will be more or less the same, but the grammar is slightly different. For example:

    "Tim juggled torches to entertain his neighbors; therefore, much of the neighborhood is now on fire."

Notice that now we need a semicolon to separate the two clauses, since the second clause could stand on its own as a complete sentence, but the idea conveyed is similar to the previous example.

I hope that helps!


CLAUSE + COMMA + PREPOSITION : the prepositional phrase can modify the entire previous clause


What if without COMMA.. PREPOSITION ?


Hello Tanchat,

We hope this finds you well.

To answer your query, without a comma, the prepositional phrase would not refer to the entire preceding clause; if the phrase directly follows a noun, it will refer to the noun, and if the phrase directly follows a verb, it will modify just that verb.

To clarify the last point: if the comma were removed in Option E, the resultant phrase "inserted with the result" would refer to the specific act of insertion that leads to the stated result.

We hope this helps.
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I go watching cinema with her…
With her modifies the verb, doesn’t it?

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I have tried to understand about preposition modifier but I'm still confused.

What is difference between

1) CLAUSE + COMMA + PREPOSITION
2) CLAUSE + PREPOSITION (NO COMMA)

If I understand correctly, the first one Preposition phrase will modify the entire clause. Is it correct? Is there any other possible thing that this prepo phrase after comma can modify?

For the second one [CLAUSE + PREPOSITION (NO COMMA)], I am not sure whether how this prepo function.

> I go watching a movie with my girlfriend. with my girlfriend modifies "go watching".
> I prefer the house with solar roof to the house with normal roof. both with modify the house.
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I go watching cinema with her…
With her modifies the verb, doesn’t it?

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Hello Tanchat,

We hope this finds you well.

To answer your query, yes; here, "with her" is an adverbial phrase that conveys additional information about the action of "watching".

We hope this helps.
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I go watching cinema with her…
With her modifies the verb, doesn’t it?

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Hello Tanchat,

We hope this finds you well.

To answer your query, yes; here, "with her" is an adverbial phrase that conveys additional information about the action of "watching".

We hope this helps.
All the best!
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Hi ExpertsGlobal5

but according to your response, "without a comma, the prepositional phrase would not refer to the entire preceding clause; if the phrase directly follows a noun, it will refer to the noun, and if the phrase directly follows a verb, it will modify just that verb." and my example, "with her" modifies the verb rather than the noun. Thus, it can modify everything in the clause as long as the meaning does make sense, am I correct?
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I go watching cinema with her…
With her modifies the verb, doesn’t it?

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Hello Tanchat,

We hope this finds you well.

To answer your query, yes; here, "with her" is an adverbial phrase that conveys additional information about the action of "watching".

We hope this helps.
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Hi ExpertsGlobal5

but according to your response, "without a comma, the prepositional phrase would not refer to the entire preceding clause; if the phrase directly follows a noun, it will refer to the noun, and if the phrase directly follows a verb, it will modify just that verb." and my example, "with her" modifies the verb rather than the noun. Thus, it can modify everything in the clause as long as the meaning does make sense, am I correct?


Hello Tanchat,

We hope this finds you well.

Firstly, your sentence is a bit off, so let us take a simpler one to illustrate this point.

" I go running in the park with her."

As in your example, here "with her" modifies the action "running" - the phrase "in the park" is a part of a verb phrase, wherein the verb is "running"; "in the park" is another adverbial phrase that modifies "running", so both "in the park" and "with her" modify "running" to convey additional information about the action "running".

Similarly, in your sentence "cinema" is also an adverb; it provides information about what "I" watches.

We hope this helps.
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Last question
Could you pls elaborate this "with"

Starfish, with anywhere from five to eight arms, have a strong regenerative ability, and if one arm is lost it quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and growing an extra one or two.

(B) one arm is lost it is quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating and
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Last question
Could you pls elaborate this "with"

Starfish, with anywhere from five to eight arms, have a strong regenerative ability, and if one arm is lost it quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and growing an extra one or two.

(B) one arm is lost it is quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating and


Hello Tanchat,

We hope this finds you well.

To answer your query, in this sentence "with" is a preposition, and the phrase "with the animal sometimes overcompensating" forms a prepositional adverb - an adverbial phrase that is introduced by a preposition - that modifies the clause "it is quickly replaced".

We hope this helps.
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in B] there is no independent clause.

can we also say that 'As/Because' and 'with the result' are redundant in a sentence.
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