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This passage was very difficult, Can anyone explain in simple language please


I got this from a forum. Even, I misinterpreted this passage.
Anyways, here we go.

This one is structured as an argument against an established theory or point of view.
The author’s big idea is that scholars who study the development of literacy today have misunderstood the development of literacy in ancient Greece and its effect on the political culture of the day.
Note how examining merely the first sentence of Paragraph 2 lays out the argument structure, as it were, and tells you clearly where the author stands: Examining Athens “exemplifies” (that means “is evidence for”) how“this sort of confusion” (a reference to whatever confusion was just described) works against really understanding the politics of ancient times.
Most reading passages are in fact extended arguments, and your Logical Reasoning skills can and should be brought to bear on them.
In terms of the building blocks,
Paragraph 1 describes the problem: Scholars, particularly some character named Goody, assume that widespread literacy democratized ancient Greek society by “enabling” (Goody’s word) everyone to access (i.e. read) important documents.
But our author’s point of view on this becomes clear at the end of Paragraph 2 : Developments such as a written code of law didn’t necessarily bring political change, because the power of interpretation remained with the magistrates.
Paragraphs 3 and 4 simply reinforce this idea of vested interest. Essentially, by controlling the books, the elite continued to maintain legal and political power in ancient Greece.
The only other major point of interest are the last lines, in which the author may have startled you by suddenly alluding to modern life in the midst of the discussion of ancient Athens.
But given lines 1-11, we shouldn’t have been surprised: The whole reason we misunderstand the effect of literacy on the ancient world is that we see how literacy affects
our world and project that vision onto the past.

This passage indeed have a roller coaster interpretations.
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Please Explain the question no 7 . ( Why the answer is n't C and why it's B ? ) . Thanks for this great passage man .


If you read the passage carefully, relationship between ancient and contemporary is not discussed at all.What is discussed is why Ancient Greek is bad.Thats it.So that rules C out..

I think ur on the right track here because both B and C have the same first part.That probably might have led to the confusion.

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In question 4 , i got confused with option C.
"(C) They ascertained the facts of a case and interpreted the laws. "

The option does not say if they interpreted the laws by going through the documents or not. Sounds like the Judges were not dependent upon the oratory skills of the lawyers. So why not option C?
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@Experts, can you please help with this question

I was unable to choose between B and D.

5. The author characterizes the Greek tradition of the ???law-giver??? (Highlighted) as an effect of mythologizing most probably in order to

(A) illustrate the ancient Greek tendency to memorialize historical events by transforming them into myths
(B) convey the historical importance of the development of the early Athenian written law code
(C) convey the high regard in which the Athenians held their legal tradition
(D) suggest that the development of a written law code was not primarily responsible for diminishing the power of the Athenian aristocracy
(E) suggest that the Greek tradition of the ???law-giver??? should be understood in the larger context of Greek mythology
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Got 5/7 correct in 30 min.... Any comments!!
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Can we expect such difficult question on GMAT ???
Should we even practice such difficult LSAT passage ??
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Hi! Sajjad1994!

Even though I found it a bit difficult, this was a great passage. Got 6/7 in roughly 18 minutes including the time spent to read. I understand that this is an official passage from LSAT, however, for a passage like this, what should be a good time? Moreover, can you please share the OA for the 5th question and the individual difficulty levels for all the questions?

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Can we expect such difficult question on GMAT ???
Should we even practice such difficult LSAT passage ??


No harm in practicing it. The GMAT RC passages could be dense but may not be this long. GMAT seems to be giving shorter but more complicated passages. A longer passage would be more direct with more 'data based questions'.
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@Experts, can you please help with this question

I was unable to choose between B and D.

5. The author characterizes the Greek tradition of the ???law-giver??? (Highlighted) as an effect of mythologizing most probably in order to

(A) illustrate the ancient Greek tendency to memorialize historical events by transforming them into myths
(B) convey the historical importance of the development of the early Athenian written law code
(C) convey the high regard in which the Athenians held their legal tradition
(D) suggest that the development of a written law code was not primarily responsible for diminishing the power of the Athenian aristocracy
(E) suggest that the Greek tradition of the ???law-giver??? should be understood in the larger context of Greek mythology


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5. The author characterizes the Greek tradition of the “law-giver” (Highlighted) as an effect of mythologizing most probably in order to

Difficulty Level: Hard

Explanation

We can make quick work of this question, another that concerns a detail relating directly to the overall argument . Lines in the 2nd paragraph

In Athens, the early development of a written law code was retrospectively mythologized as the critical factor in breaking the power monopoly of the old aristocracy: hence the Greek tradition of the “law-giver,” which has captured the imaginations of scholars like Goody.

suggest that the tradition of a “law-giver” stems from the (mistaken) idea that the development of a written law brought about a break in the aristocratic control of society. Here, as elsewhere, the author disagrees that literacy brought about real political change, using the word “mythologizing” to suggest that the development of a written law did not disrupt the status quo (D). Again, when directed by a question to a detail, don’t just focus on the detail.

Just as the correct answer is firmly in synch with the overall argument, two of the wrong choices fall several miles outside of the scope of the passage. Greek mythology as a topic is not discussed anywhere else in the passage, and so it’s highly unlikely that the author would make a point of it here; if you chose (A) or (E), or even were tempted by them, you were reading a bit lazily and taking the word “myth” far too literally. No offense.

(B) should prompt a vigorous Au contraire! from you: The author mentions the law-giver in order to dispute its historical importance, overestimated by people like Goody. Finally, the quote “law-giver,” does suggest the Athenians’ respect for their legal tradition (C); however, until the other shoe drops with the structural signal “But,” line 17, the author hasn’t yet reached the point of the paragraph.

Answer: D


This is not the Official explanation rather it belongs to Kaplan LSAT
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Got 5/7 correct in 30 min.... Any comments!!


5/7 result is fine for this one but unfortunately GMAC will not allow anyone 30 minutes to solve 7 questions, 30 minutes are not acceptable at any reason. Any thing more than 16-17 minutes for this RC is alarming considering the CAT atmosphere.

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Hi! Sajjad1994!

Even though I found it a bit difficult, this was a great passage. Got 6/7 in roughly 18 minutes including the time spent to read. I understand that this is an official passage from LSAT, however, for a passage like this, what should be a good time? Moreover, can you please share the OA for the 5th question and the individual difficulty levels for all the questions?

Thanks and regards!


Hello TanmayT

The difficulty level of each individual question should be as such in my opinion:

Question #1: 600
Question #2: 650
Question #3: 650
Question #4: 650
Question #5: 700-750
Question #6: 650
Question #7: 700

Overall: 700

OE of Question #5 is posted, please follow the link below

https://gmatclub.com/forum/direct-obser ... l#p2674105

You other question has been already answered, please read that in the link below

https://gmatclub.com/forum/direct-obser ... l#p2674110
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KarishmaB - This passage is not an easy one to understand, so can you please share your analysis and understanding ?

Thank you!
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Sajjad1994,

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4. According to the passage, each of the following statements concerning ancient Greek juries is true EXCEPT:

(A) They were somewhat democratic insofar as they were composed largely of people from the lowest social classes.
(B) They were exposed to the law only insofar as they heard relevant statutes read out during legal proceedings.
(C) They ascertained the facts of a case and interpreted the laws.
(D) They did not have direct access to important books and documents that were available to the elite.
(E) They rendered verdicts without benefit of private discussion among themselves.


Can you please post answer for Q4.

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Sajjad1994,

Can you please post answer for Q4.

Thanks


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4. According to the passage, each of the following statements concerning ancient Greek juries is true EXCEPT:

Difficulty Level: 650-700

Explanation

(A) The topic of this question is ancient Greek juries, so it’s back to Paragraph 3 we go.

For “all...EXCEPT questions,” two different strategies have proven useful: You can scan the choices before going back to the passage, to see if any choices jump out as untrue statements; or you can simply and casually re-read the portion of the passage in question, and then toss out the choices that you know are true. Practice both approaches to see which you’re more comfortable with.

Anyhow, the overall point of Paragraph 3 is that Greek juries had very little real power because they had no direct access to the codes of law, and most of the “true statement” choices can be eliminated because they’re consistent with this. We’re told that because they were not permitted access to law books (D), they only heard statutes that were read out to them (B), they had to determine the facts and interpret what they heard (C), and deliver their verdicts without the benefit of group discussion (E).

That leaves (A); but in terms of its logic, (A) may have jumped out at you as an obvious distortion. The author argues that juries were somewhat democratic because they represented a broad spectrum of the population, not just the lowest social classes.

Answer: A
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