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Sixty-five million years ago, according to some scientists, an asteroid bigger than Mount Everest slammed into North America, which, causing plant and animal extinctions, marks the end of the geologic era known as the Cretaceous Period.

(A) which, causing plant and animal extinctions, marks
(B) which caused the plant and animal extinctions marking
(C) and causing plant and animal extinctions that mark
(D) an event that caused plant and animal extinctions, and it marks
(E) an event that caused the plant and animal extinctions that mark

Could you explain one more thing why GMAC did not use THOSE for the plant and animal extinctions (plural)?
Thank you...


"those" is a garden variety pronoun, but a relative pronoun was required to modify (not just reference) the "plant and animal extinctions" in this sentence. Relative pronouns have no number and no agreement issues.

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It's hard for me to comprehend the highlighted part! Could you explain it a bit with example (pure sentence)?
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I'm just saying that "those" works as a regular, normal pronoun. An example might be "Bill's toys are nicer than those that belong to Ted."

It can also be a demonstrative pronoun (functioning as an adjective), as in the sentence "Those toys are mine."

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/that
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Re: Sixty-five million years ago, according to some scientists, an asteroi [#permalink]
What if in the first example one of the options is, "......slammed into N.A., causing plant and animal extinctions that mark.....

Would this version be correct @GMATNina ?
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What if in the first example one of the options is, "......slammed into N.A., causing plant and animal extinctions that mark.....

Would this version be correct @GMATNina ?


Hi AashishGautam

i.e. Sixty-five million years ago, according to some scientists, an asteroid bigger than Mount Everest slammed into North America, causing plant and animal extinctions that mark the end of the geologic era known as the Cretaceous Period.

As per above sentence, comma + modifer 'causing plant and animal extinctions' modifies subject of preceding clause (an asteroid).

It conveyes MEANING that an asteroid caused plant and animal extinctions. Is it conveying correct meaning?

I hope this may help you.
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This one isn't too awful, compared to some of the QOTDs we'll inflict on you later this week. For the most part, this is a nice story about straightforward uses of "that" and "which" modifiers, with some meaning stuff thrown in.

The uses of "that" and "which" can get nastier, though. Check out last Monday's YouTube webinar for more on the various uses of "that" on the GMAT... and we'll feature the other examples from the webinar as QOTDs later this week.

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A. which, causing plant and animal extinctions, marks

"Which" can only modify "North America" here, and that makes no sense at all: "North America, which... marks the end of the geologic era"?! The placement of the "-ing" modifier doesn't seem great, either. Eliminate (A).

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B. which caused the plant and animal extinctions marking

Again, the modifier beginning with "which" is modifying "North America" again, and that makes no sense: "North America, which caused the plant and animal extinctions..." Eliminate (B).

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C. and causing plant and animal extinctions that mark

I'm OK with the use of "that" here, but the parallelism doesn't work. The parallelism marker "and" is followed by "causing plant and animal extinctions", and I can't find anything in the sentence that could possibly be parallel to "causing." (C) is gone.

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D. an event that caused plant and animal extinctions, and it marks

The last part of the underlined portion makes me hesitate: "it" could refer to "event", I guess. So "...an event that caused plant and animal extinctions, and the event marks the end of the geologic era..." That's not awful, but I really don't understand why we're starting a whole new clause there, with "event" as the subject. It makes a whole lot more sense when the end of the sentence says "... marks the end of the geologic era..." function as a modifier for "extinctions" -- and that's exactly what (E) does.

Since "it" is the subject of the second clause, you could also argue that it refers back to the subject of the first clause: "an asteroid bigger than Mount Everest." But that wouldn't really make much sense, either: the asteroid marks the end of the geologic era? Hm, not so sure about that one. But either way: even if you're OK with the pronoun, (E) does a much better job of conveying the meaning of the sentence.

Incidentally, there's another version of this answer choice in the verbal guide (any edition): "an event that caused plant and animal extinctions, which marks..." Clearly, that's wrong for a different reason: "extinctions... marks" is a clear subject-verb error.

Either way, (D) is gone.

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E. an event that caused the plant and animal extinctions that mark

(E) has two "thats", and they're both perfectly fine. The event caused the plant and animal extinctions, and the extinctions mark the end of the geologic era. Nice and clear. (E) wins.




GMATNinja - boss, can you please explain why in option E we should not have "that marked" the end of ... ? Is it correct to have "that mark" ?
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E. an event that caused the plant and animal extinctions that mark

(E) has two "thats", and they're both perfectly fine. The event caused the plant and animal extinctions, and the extinctions mark the end of the geologic era. Nice and clear. (E) wins.


GMATNinja - boss, can you please explain why in option E we should not have "that marked" the end of ... ? Is it correct to have "that mark" ?

It's not uncommon to use a past event to make a generalization in the present. I can write "the 2017 Warriors remain the best offensive team I've ever seen," and use the present tense "remain" because I'm writing about my perspective today on a historical phenomenon.

Same deal here. The extinctions may have happened in the past, but an observation about when one geological period ends and another begins can happen in the present. Put another way, the extinctions never stopped marking the end of the Cretaceous Period. Using the past tense "marked" would be confusing, since it would suggest that it's no longer valid to think of the extinctions as the dividing line between those periods.

I hope that clears things up!
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I am solving the Verbal Review Offical 2019 and the option D is different. It is : "an event that caused plant and animal
extinctions, which marks"

How is this wrong and one would pick E over this ?
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I am solving the Verbal Review Offical 2019 and the option D is different. It is : "an event that caused plant and animal
extinctions, which marks"

How is this wrong and one would pick E over this ?

Hello, wps002. I can confirm that both the 2019 and 2020 editions of the Verbal Review list choice (D) in exactly the way you have quoted. I cannot comment on how the question may appear in earlier editions, but if it has changed over time, then there should be a SIMILAR QUESTION link at the bottom of the original post. (I am assuming that there is not a typo, since the question appears the same way on the BEATtheGMAT forum.) In any case, GMATNinja has touched on your query in this post and the one just beneath it. I hope they help clarify your concerns.

Good luck with your studies.

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Sixty-five million years ago, according to some scientists, an asteroid bigger than Mount Everest slammed into North America, which, causing plant and animal extinctions, marks the end of the geologic era known as the Cretaceous Period.

(A) which, causing plant and animal extinctions, marks
What caused plant and animal extinctions? - X years ago, an asteroid slammed into North America- This event caused plant and animal extinctions.
“which” incorrectly refers to North America- This would mean that North America caused plant and animal extinctions. Eliminate.

(B) which caused the plant and animal extinctions marking
Same as A. Eliminate.


(C) and causing plant and animal extinctions that mark
We don’t have a clause after the conjunction “and”.
“Causing” is a participle and not a verb. Eliminate

(D) an event that caused plant and animal extinctions, and it marks
What does “it” refer to?
What marked the end of the geologic era? Plant and animal extinction. Hence, a relative pronoun would make the meaning of the sentence clear and logical.
Eliminate.

(E) an event that caused the plant and animal extinctions that mark
Correct.
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A&B - which modifies North America. That doesn't make sense
C- Parallelism error for and:
D- it refers to asteroid and not the event. The sentence loses its meaning.
E- correct answer

One question from my end - for parallelism is same tense necessary. In option D, are 'asteroid slammed' and 'it marks' parallel.

Thanks in advance!

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A&B - which modifies North America. That doesn't make sense
C- Parallelism error for and:
D- it refers to asteroid and not the event. The sentence loses its meaning.
E- correct answer

One question from my end - for parallelism is same tense necessary. In option D, are 'asteroid slammed' and 'it marks' parallel.

Thanks in advance!

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Tenses do not need to match for parallelism! Consider the following example:

    "Chloe chased her tail yesterday, runs after squirrels every day, and will always be a silly dog."

Here, the three pieces listed in parallel all begin with verbs: chased, runs, and will be. Because each piece begins with the same part of speech, the parallelism is fine. In addition, the intent of the sentence is to show things happening at different times so the different tenses make sense in this context.

That being said, "and" doesn't always denote a set of parallel items in a list. In (D), "and" is actually just a conjunction between two separate clauses. So parallelism isn't worth worrying about for (D) at all. Luckily, as you've mentioned, there's an issue with the word "it" that we can use to eliminate (D).

I hope that helps!
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Can we eliminate option D for following reason?
1. An event that caused plant and animal extinctions is modifier and modifying previous clause but after , AND we have independent clause. now we have modifier AND clause , which is not parallel .

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I am solving the Verbal Review Offical 2019 and the option D is different. It is : "an event that caused plant and animal extinctions, which marks"

I agree with wps002 and AndrewN: option D has not been correctly reproduced here. Requesting a review.

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I am solving the Verbal Review Offical 2019 and the option D is different. It is : "an event that caused plant and animal extinctions, which marks"

I agree with wps002 and AndrewN: option D has not been correctly reproduced here. Requesting a review.

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KarishmaB AndrewN sayantanc2k AjiteshArun

Can we eliminate option D for following reason?
1. An event that caused plant and animal extinctions is modifier and modifying previous clause but after , AND we have independent clause. now we have modifier AND clause , which is not parallel .

Thanks and regards.


As AjiteshArun mentioned, the question is actually a bit different and I hope there are no issues in option (D) now.

That said, even if option (D) were the way written initially, we cannot eliminate it based on parallelism.

"and" combines the two clauses:

An asteroid bigger than Mount Everest slammed into North America (a modifier of the event), and it marks the the end of ...
Though "it" stands for asteroid now and that's kind of dicey. Animal extinctions or events can mark the end of eras, not asteroids.

That is why (D) would not work in that case.
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Option D is now changed to
D. an event that caused plant and animal extinctions, which marks

and all the answers has option D as
D. an event that caused plant and animal extinctions, and it marks

In the OG the SC04344 the option is the 1st one, I just want to understand why is D wrong as, which is correctly modifying the event that marked.

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Option D is now changed to
D. an event that caused plant and animal extinctions, which marks

and all the answers has option D as
D. an event that caused plant and animal extinctions, and it marks

In the OG the SC04344 the option is the 1st one, I just want to understand why is D wrong as, which is correctly modifying the event that marked.

Thanks in advance!


The relative pronoun "which" refers to the immediately preceding noun "extinctions". Since "extinctions" is plural, we should have "which mark", not "which marks".

Note that in some cases, we do let the relative pronoun refer back to another noun if that is logical and the only viable option. But here we have option (E) which is perfect. Hence (E) is our answer.
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and all the answers has option D as
D. an event that caused plant and animal extinctions, and it marks

I just want to understand why is D wrong as, which is correctly modifying the event that marked.

Multiple reasons why D is incorrect akash2305.

According to the intended meaning of the sentence, what marks the end of the geologic era known as the Cretaceous Period?

Is it:

(i) Asteroid slamming into North America (this is the "event" that option D is referring to)

Or

(ii) Plant and animal extinctions

To me, it is very clear that "Plant and animal extinctions" (number ii above), and not the "event" (number i above), mark the end of the geologic era known as the Cretaceous Period. E preserves this meaning.

So, basically, as per the intended meaning, following is what happened:

Asteroid bigger than Mount Everest slammed into North America -> Plant and animal extinctions were caused -> These extinctions mark the end of the geologic era known as the Cretaceous Period

For one thing, "which" in D is really far from "event"; even if we do not consider this fatal, D is suggesting that "event" (Asteroid slamming into North America) marks the end of the geologic era known as the Cretaceous Period. As we discussed above, this is not the intended meaning.

As an aside, even if the intended meaning was not immediately clear to you and even if you (erroneously) thought that "event" (of Asteroid slamming into North America) marks the end of the geologic era known as the Cretaceous Period, D is still nowhere close to a good articulation. D should have been:

D1) an event that caused plant and animal extinctions and that marks

Notice that the parallelism between the two occurrences of "that" make it very clear that both instances of "that" are referring to "an event".
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