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Is this really a Gmat Prep question?

I am still not convinced about why C is not the answer.

Close call between C and E.

What exactly does "as seen in the rings" modify?- Sunspot cycles or rate at which trees grow?

In E isn't it modifying the "rate" at which trees grow, which is nonsensical IMO. Ugh I'm indeed confused !


Your query 1:
The following post explains why C is incorrect:
https://gmatclub.com/forum/on-earth-amo ... l#p1808827

Your query 2:
The part "as seen in the rings" modifies neither "sunspot cycles" nor "rate at which trees grow" - it is a prepositional phrase referring to the entire previous clause (recollect the use of comma + present participle - comma +prepositional phrases can also be used in the same way, i.e., to refer to an entire previous clause.)
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The important thing here is to note what the pronoun ‘their’ in the un-underlined part points to. Unfortunately, in C it refers to the sunspot cycles by virtue of proximity, while it should refer to the trees, which is what E does and thus outdoes C.



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"is believed" in E does not cause SVA error?
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(E) Among the surest indications on Earth of sunspot cycles is believed to be the rate at which trees grow

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Why not?

The actual sentence is --- The rate at which trees grow is believed to be among the surest indications of sunspot cycles on earth.
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Hi prgmatbiz, as daagh sir has suggested, this sentence is (what's called) an inverted sentence, wherein the verb (is) comes before the subject (rate), thereby creating bit of a confusion.

Our book EducationAisle Sentence Correction Nirvana discusses inverted sentences. Have attached the corresponding section of the book, for your reference.
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I had eliminated E thinking "Among the surest things" should be accompanied with 'are' and not 'is' in E. Is this not similar to the subject verb agreement with "One of the most important thing" etc.? Please let me know the grammar rules here.
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I had eliminated E thinking "Among the surest things" should be accompanied with 'are' and not 'is' in E. Is this not similar to the subject verb agreement with "One of the most important thing" etc.? Please let me know the grammar rules here.

Hi NydhruvKashyap, option E is (what's called) an inverted sentence.

Option E reads:

Among the surest indications on Earth of sunspot cycles is believed to be the rate at which trees grow.

The normal non-inverted sentence is:

The rate at which trees grow is believed to be among the surest indications on Earth of sunspot cycles.

Now it is very clear that the rate is the singular subject, and hence, requires a singular verb is.

p.s. Our book EducationAisle Sentence Correction Nirvana discusses inverted sentences, their application and examples. If you or someone is interested, PM me your email-id; I can mail the corresponding section.
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The important thing here is to note what the pronoun ‘their’ in the un-underlined part points to. Unfortunately, in C it refers to the sunspot cycles by virtue of proximity, while it should refer to the trees, which is what E does and thus outdoes C.


Hi, I don’t agree with the explanation provided above.
Pronoun ambiguity isn’t an absolute crime on the GMAT.

in “their trunks”, “their” can ONLY refer to trees. There is no way it can refer to anything else.

Can you please provide another reason for eliminating (C)?
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Can you please provide another reason for eliminating (C)?

Hi D4kshGargas, there is a modifier issue in C:

What is seen in the rings visible in the cross sections of their trunks?
Most logical answer: rate at which trees grow

Now, let's look at C:

the rate at which trees grow is believed to be among the surest indications of sunspot cycles, as seen in the rings visible in the cross sections of their trunks.

Notice how C changes the meaning by stating: surest indications of sunspot cycles, as seen in the rings visible in the cross sections of their trunks

So, C seems to nonsensically suggest that surest indications of sunspot cycles are seen in the rings visible in the cross sections of their trunks.
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(A) On Earth, among the surest indications of sunspot cycles are believed to be the rate that trees grow
This sentence gives us the meaning as the rates are grown by the trees

(B) On Earth, among the surest indications of sunspot cycles are, it is believed, the rate of tree growth
it has too many commas which is unecessary and doesn't make much sense

(C) On Earth, the rate at which trees grow is believed to be among the surest indications of sunspot cycles
This feels as though the only indication of identifying sunspot cycles

(D) Among the surest indications on Earth of sunspot cycles, believed to be the tree growth rate
this has got a ambigious usage of words

(E) Among the surest indications on Earth of sunspot cycles is believed to be the rate at which trees grow
THis nails the argument hence IMO E
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On Earth, among the surest indications of sunspot cycles are believed to be the rate that trees grow, as seen in the rings visible in the cross sections of their trunks.

(A) On Earth, among the surest indications of sunspot cycles are believed to be the rate that trees grow
(B) On Earth, among the surest indications of sunspot cycles are, it is believed, the rate of tree growth
(C) On Earth, the rate at which trees grow is believed to be among the surest indications of sunspot cycles
(D) Among the surest indications on Earth of sunspot cycles, believed to be the tree growth rate
(E) Among the surest indications on Earth of sunspot cycles is believed to be the rate at which trees grow


Hi! had a doubt that whether the placement of sunspot cycles at the end of the underlined portion can be a reason to eliminate it? What is "as seen in the ring ---" modifying??is it acting as a noun modifier or adverbial ? IanStewart GMATNinja
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Hi! had a doubt that whether the placement of sunspot cycles at the end of the underlined portion can be a reason to eliminate it?


Yes, answer C for example seems to suggest that "the rings visible..." are in the sunspot cycles, when the sentence means to say they're in the trees. But you don't even need to consider that to rule out A, B and C. In the first three answer choices, "On Earth" describes where tree growth is believed to be an indication of sunspot cycles. Well of course that's believed "on Earth"; where else could it be believed? On Mars? You could cut the phrase "On earth" from A, B or C without changing the meaning of the sentence at all, so the phrase is superfluous. Answers D and E are different; in those choices, the phrase "on earth" describes where the "indications" are found. And that makes sense, because there will also be indications of sunspot cycles found in places other than Earth, for example on the sun itself.

I only skimmed the most recent posts, which didn't mention this issue, but maybe it was discussed earlier.
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On Earth, among the surest indications of sunspot cycles are believed to be the rate that trees grow, as seen in the rings visible in the cross sections of their trunks.

(A) On Earth, among the surest indications of sunspot cycles are believed to be the rate that trees grow
(B) On Earth, among the surest indications of sunspot cycles are, it is believed, the rate of tree growth
(C) On Earth, the rate at which trees grow is believed to be among the surest indications of sunspot cycles
(D) Among the surest indications on Earth of sunspot cycles, believed to be the tree growth rate
(E) Among the surest indications on Earth of sunspot cycles is believed to be the rate at which trees grow



Look at the non underline part of the sentence (at the end). their trunks. Only one object mentioned in the sentence has / have trunks and that object is plural (their). Obviously only one object i.e. Trees should be as near to "their trunks".

Option E does exactly same.

Ans : E

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On Earth, among the surest indications of sunspot cycles are believed to be the rate that trees grow, as seen in the rings visible in the cross sections of their trunks.

Key is to pay attention to the non-underlined portion.
"as seen in the rings visible in the cross sections of their trunks" must modify "the rate at which trees grow" vs. "sunspot cycles." "Their" indicates that we need "trees" vs. "tree." Eliminate (C) and (D)


(A) On Earth, among the surest indications of sunspot cycles are believed to be the rate that trees grow

"are believed to be" = wrong

(B) On Earth, among the surest indications of sunspot cycles are, it is believed, the rate of tree growth

"are" = wrong

(C) On Earth, the rate at which trees grow is believed to be among the surest indications of sunspot cycles

(D) Among the surest indications on Earth of sunspot cycles, believed to be the tree growth rate

(E) Among the surest indications on Earth of sunspot cycles is believed to be the rate at which trees grow

Best option. Among X is Y, as seen...

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On Earth, among the surest indications of sunspot cycles are believed to be the rate that trees grow, as seen in the rings visible in the cross sections of their trunks.

(A) On Earth, among the surest indications of sunspot cycles are believed to be the rate that trees grow
(B) On Earth, among the surest indications of sunspot cycles are, it is believed, the rate of tree growth
(C) On Earth, the rate at which trees grow is believed to be among the surest indications of sunspot cycles
(D) Among the surest indications on Earth of sunspot cycles, believed to be the tree growth rate
(E) Among the surest indications on Earth of sunspot cycles is believed to be the rate at which trees grow


By definite grammer rules, I quickly eliminated Options A, B and D. Now coming to options C and E. I think the major issue of meaning. What C says is that ''the rate of tree growth'' is ''among the surest indications''. One cannot be equal to many. One can only be ''one among the many''. I cannot equate ''rate of tree growth'' with ''among''. It has to be one among them. Option C is equating one with many, which is incorrect.

Thus, Option C without any other definite meaning or grammar issues wins.

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johnycute wrote:
On Earth, among the surest indications of sunspot cycles are believed to be the rate that trees grow, as seen in the rings visible in the cross sections of their trunks.

(A) On Earth, among the surest indications of sunspot cycles are believed to be the rate that trees grow
(B) On Earth, among the surest indications of sunspot cycles are, it is believed, the rate of tree growth
(C) On Earth, the rate at which trees grow is believed to be among the surest indications of sunspot cycles
(D) Among the surest indications on Earth of sunspot cycles, believed to be the tree growth rate
(E) Among the surest indications on Earth of sunspot cycles is believed to be the rate at which trees grow


By definite grammer rules, I quickly eliminated Options A, B and D. Now coming to options C and E. I think the major issue of meaning. What C says is that ''the rate of tree growth'' is ''among the surest indications''. One cannot be equal to many. One can only be ''one among the many''. I cannot equate ''rate of tree growth'' with ''among''. It has to be one among them. Option C is equating one with many, which is incorrect.

Thus, Option C without any other definite meaning or grammar issues wins.

Thank You
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Hello VIGHNESHKAMATH,

We hope this finds you well.

To provide some clarity, here, the use of "among" is not incorrect in Option C, as it refers to the plural noun "indications", conveying that the rate at which trees grow is one of the many indications of sunspot cycles.

The error in Option C is that the phrase "as seen in the rings visible in the cross sections of their trunks" modifies "the surest indications of sunspot cycles", illogically implying that all of the surest indications of sunspot cycles are seen in the rings visible in the cross sections of the tree trunks.

Option E correctly modifies "the rate at which trees grow" with "as seen in the rings visible in the cross sections of their trunks", conveying the intended meaning - that the rate of tree growth is seen in the rings visible in the cross sections of the tree trunks.

We hope this helps.
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I was confused between C and E. I omitted E because because of the presence of the prepositional phrase 'Earth of sunspot cycle' Isn't this prepositional phrase modifying earth instead of indication?

GMATNinja sir can you please help me here.
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I was confused between C and E. I omitted E because because of the presence of the prepositional phrase 'Earth of sunspot cycle' Isn't this prepositional phrase modifying earth instead of indication?

GMATNinja sir can you please help me here.


Hello Jayantalawadhi,

We hope this finds you well.

To answer your query, here "on Earth" and "of sunspot cycles" are both prepositional phrases that act upon the noun "indications".

We hope this helps.
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