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Please explain q.no 7 i marked c
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https://gmatclub.com/forum/the-impressionist-painters-expressly-disavowed-any-interest-in-philoso-89579.html#p2086779

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Can someone explain 6?. I feel like II was mentioned when they defined what an impressionist painting is? The unifying element is LIGHT . Are we sure we have the correct OA?


thangvietnam wrote:
answer to question 6 should be C.
not B.

the 3 last questions are hard.


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This passage made me sweat. 17 minutes and only 3 correct. Last 3 questions require discussion seriously!!!!


"For the view of matter that the Impressionists assumed differed profoundly from the view that had previously prevailed among artists. This view helped to unify the artistic works created in the new style.
The ancient Greeks had conceived of the world in concrete terms, even endowing abstract qualities with bodies. This Greek view of matter persisted, so far as painting was concerned, into the nineteenth century. The Impressionists, on the other hand, viewed light, not matter, as the ultimate visual reality.”

This entire part of the passage give you the answer to whether each of the three statements for Q6 is true:

I. How did the Impressionists perceive matter? only mentions that they perceived matter differently than previous artists.

II. What is the unifying element in a typical Impressionist painting? only mentions that this different view helped unify the artistic works created in the new style; does not say WHAT the unifying element was.

II. How did the Impressionists’ view of color differ from that of eighteenth-century artists? directly mentions it in this part, "The Impressionists, on the other hand, viewed light, not matter, as the ultimate visual reality.”



But for option III where is it written that the impressionist art was that after 18th century or previous paintings were of 18th century?
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nghatri wrote:
r0ckst4r wrote:
Can someone explain 6?. I feel like II was mentioned when they defined what an impressionist painting is? The unifying element is LIGHT . Are we sure we have the correct OA?


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answer to question 6 should be C.
not B.

the 3 last questions are hard.


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This passage made me sweat. 17 minutes and only 3 correct. Last 3 questions require discussion seriously!!!!


"For the view of matter that the Impressionists assumed differed profoundly from the view that had previously prevailed among artists. This view helped to unify the artistic works created in the new style.
The ancient Greeks had conceived of the world in concrete terms, even endowing abstract qualities with bodies. This Greek view of matter persisted, so far as painting was concerned, into the nineteenth century. The Impressionists, on the other hand, viewed light, not matter, as the ultimate visual reality.”

This entire part of the passage give you the answer to whether each of the three statements for Q6 is true:

I. How did the Impressionists perceive matter? only mentions that they perceived matter differently than previous artists.

II. What is the unifying element in a typical Impressionist painting? only mentions that this different view helped unify the artistic works created in the new style; does not say WHAT the unifying element was.

II. How did the Impressionists’ view of color differ from that of eighteenth-century artists? directly mentions it in this part, "The Impressionists, on the other hand, viewed light, not matter, as the ultimate visual reality.”



But for option III where is it written that the impressionist art was that after 18th century or previous paintings were of 18th century?


The impressionist viewed color merely as the result of vibrations of light on the object’s colorless surface, whereas 18th century artists viewed color as inherent property of the object.

this is given in 3rd paragraph : Color, formerly considered a property inherent in an object, was seen to be merely the result of vibrations of light on the object’s colorless surface
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Hi KarishmaB DmitryFarber GMATNinja

Can you please explain why option E for question 3 is wrong ? My thought process: " Impressionists didn't see themselves as having an interest in philosophy, but their work had philosophical implications. The fact that a philosopher (Taine) talks about this, implies that it has philosophical implications."

Is the problem with the E the use of the word "CONCRETE", which seems extreme as it's only one person's opinion? Thanks for your help in advance!

The author’s quotation of a statement by Taine (lines 15-16) serves which of the following functions in the passage?
(A) It furnishes a specific example of an Impressionist painting that features light as its chief subject.
(B) It resolves an apparent contradiction in the philosophy of the Impressionists.
(C) It qualifies the statement that the ancient Greeks viewed the world in concrete terms.
(D) It summarizes the unique perspective that the Impressionists brought to painting.
(E) It provides a concrete illustration of the far-reaching philosophical implications of Impressionism.
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Hi KarishmaB DmitryFarber GMATNinja

Can you please explain why option E for question 3 is wrong ? My thought process: " Impressionists didn't see themselves as having an interest in philosophy, but their work had philosophical implications. The fact that a philosopher (Taine) talks about this, implies that it has philosophical implications."

Is the problem with the E the use of the word "CONCRETE", which seems extreme as it's only one person's opinion? Thanks for your help in advance!

3. The author’s quotation of a statement by Taine (lines 15-16) serves which of the following functions in the passage?
(A) It furnishes a specific example of an Impressionist painting that features light as its chief subject.
(B) It resolves an apparent contradiction in the philosophy of the Impressionists.
(C) It qualifies the statement that the ancient Greeks viewed the world in concrete terms.
(D) It summarizes the unique perspective that the Impressionists brought to painting.
(E) It provides a concrete illustration of the far-reaching philosophical implications of Impressionism.


3. The author’s quotation of a statement by Taine (lines 15-16) serves which of the following functions in the passage?
(A) It furnishes a specific example of an Impressionist painting that features light as its chief subject.
(B) It resolves an apparent contradiction in the philosophy of the Impressionists.
(C) It qualifies the statement that the ancient Greeks viewed the world in concrete terms.
(D) It summarizes the unique perspective that the Impressionists brought to painting.
(E) It provides a concrete illustration of the far-reaching philosophical implications of Impressionism.


The function of a sentence becomes clear when the consider the 2-3 sentences before it. Why is the sentence the natural next sentence? What train of thought is being followed and how did it lead to this sentence?

The ancient Greeks had conceived of the world in concrete terms, even endowing abstract qualities with bodies. This Greek view of matter persisted, so far as painting was concerned, into the nineteenth century. The Impressionists, on the other hand, viewed light, not matter, as the ultimate visual reality. The philosopher Taine expressed the Impressionist view of things when he said, “The chief ‘person’ in a picture is the light in which everything is bathed.”


Look at the train of thought - Greeks painted in concrete terms, in terms of 'matter'.
Unlike them, the Impressionists viewed light (not matter) as visual reality. Taine expressed this view by saying "The chief ‘person’ in a picture is the light in which everything is bathed."
The author refers to what Taine said because what he said explains the Impressionists view concisely in a sentence.
Hence (D) is correct.

The philosophical implications of Impressionism are not being discussed in this paragraph. Here we are discussing exactly what Impressionism is (in contrast with the Greek view). Hence (E) is not correct.
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Hi I found this explanation from carcass. This covers all the ques.


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1. The author of the passage is primarily concerned with
(A) explaining how the Impressionists were influenced by scientific studies of light and color
(B) discussing the philosophical implications of the Impressionist style of painting
(C) identifying the revolutionary artistic techniques developed by the Impressionist painters
(D) analyzing the influence of thinkers like Taine and Mauclair on Impressionist painting
(E) defending the importance of the Impressionist painters in the history of modern art


Explanation: Author throughout the passage, tries to draw philosophical implications that the Impressionist Paintings had. Though the techniques used by painters are discussed in details, the results obtained from these techniques are the main concern, as mentioned in the passage: " Impressionist picture do not tell story or convey any special meaning; they are, instead, merely parts of pattern of light drawn from nature and captured on canvas by the artist.". Last lines of the passage completely change the way we look at the passage, as then we understand that implications of the style of painting is the main concern put forward by the author.


2. According to the passage, the Impressionists differed from the ancient Greeks in that the Impressionists
(A) considered color to be property inherent in objects
(B) placed a higher value on the narrative element in painting
(C) depicted the objects in a painting as isolated, rather than united in a single pattern
(D) treated light, rather than matter, as the ultimate reality
(E) regarded art primarily as a medium for expressing moral and aesthetic ideas

Explanation: can be directly inferred from the lines: "The Impressionists, on the other hand, viewed light, not matter, as the ultimate visual reality.", implying that the Impressionists considered light as the most important part of their painting, in comparison to Greeks, who viewed matter as an an important aspects in their paintings.


3. The author’s quotation of a statement by Taine (lines 15-16) serves which of the following functions in the passage?
(A) It furnishes a specific example of an Impressionist painting that features light as its chief subject.
(B) It resolves an apparent contradiction in the philosophy of the Impressionists.
(C) It qualifies the statement that the ancient Greeks viewed the world in concrete terms.
(D) It summarizes the unique perspective that the Impressionists brought to painting.
(E) It provides a concrete illustration of the far-reaching philosophical implications of Impressionism.

Explanation: Lines in concern: "The chief ‘person’ in a picture is the light in which everything is bathed.”, These lines in short define the view as portrayed by Impressionist painters, in which they considered light as the most important part of their paintings.


4. According to the passage, the Impressionists believed that the atmosphere
The Impressionist world was composed not of separate objects but of many surfaces on which light struck and was reflected with varying intensity to the eye through the atmosphere, which modified it. It was this process that produced the mosaic of colors that formed an Impressionist canvas.

(A) reflects light with varying intensity - atmosphere does not reflect but the surfaces do
(B) creates the illusion of color in colorless surfaces - Incorrect
(C) modifies the shapes of objects - Out of scope
(D) is the result of vibrations of light - Incorrect - the atmosphere by itself is not the result but the process of light striking a surface and reflecting with varying intensity to eye occurs through the atmosphere.
(E) affects the way we perceived color - Correct -

Answer E

The author uses the word mosaic to impress upon us the many small surfaces on which light struck and was reflected with varying intensity (hence producing different colours).
The author further emphasises that the object is secondary (implying that it's not a continuous flow of colour to show an object)

5. The author’s use of the term “mosaic of colors” (line 32) suggests that Impressionist paintings were characterized by
(A) discontinuous dabs of unmixed pigment
This is what mosaic represents. Correct

(B) broad, sweeping brush strokes
Not true. Light reflecting off many surfaces with varying intensity does not imply broad brush strokes.

(C) clearly defined forms and objects
No. It is not about the objects. It is about light only.

(D) subjects devoid of emotive or literary qualities
Though the author seems to be implying that impressionist paintings did not focus on the emotions of the subjects, mosaic of colours does not indicate that. A mosaic is made with discontinuous dabs of paint and the author is trying to bring that out here. He is trying to tell us that the painting is all about light reflected on many surfaces creating a mosaic of colours.

(E) the glowing reds, greens, and midnight blues of stained glass
Though mosaics are made on glass too (along with other surfaces), there is nothing that leads us to believe in the specifics given in this option. Many surfaces would produce many colours and stained glass is too specific to be implied by the term "mosaic".

Answer (A)


For question 6, answer (E) is correct.


I. How did the Impressionists perceive matter?

"The ancient Greeks had conceived of the world in concrete terms, even endowing abstract qualities with bodies. This Greek view of matter persisted, so far as painting was concerned, into the nineteenth century. The Impressionists, on the other hand, viewed light, not matter, as the ultimate visual reality."

Gives the Greek view of matter (bodies/objects). Impressionists' viewed matter as "not the ultimate visual reality".

"In Impressionist painting, solid bodies became mere reflectors of light, and distinctions between one object and another became arbitrary conventions"

Gives how Impressionists viewed matter.

"The Impressionist world was composed not of separate objects but of many surfaces on which light struck..."

Again, gives how Impressionists viewed matter.

II. What is the unifying element in a typical Impressionist painting?

"...for by light all things were welded together"

No doubt about this that light was the unifying element.

II. How did the Impressionists’ view of color differ from that of eighteenth-century artists?

"...Color, formerly considered a property inherent in an object, was seen to be merely the result of vibrations of light on the object’s colorless surface."


As for #7, what we know about Impressionists is that they were preoccupied with light, not with the actual objects in the picture. Paragraph 4 even tells us that they didn't care about the underlying meaning or significance of the painting. For those reasons, we can eliminate A, B, and D, which all have to do with meaning and ideas, rather than the visual nature of the picture.

That leaves us with C and E. E goes against the idea of the passage, which is that Impressionism was "a purely optic art" (p3). It's certainly possible that they knew they couldn't fully recreate what the world looked like, but there's no indication that they thought it was futile to try. C, on the other hand, says that the objects are not the point of the painting. This is emphasized heavily in p2.
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The impressionist painters expressly disavowed any interest in philosophy, yet their new approach to art had far-reaching philosophical implications. For the view of matter that the Impressionists assumed differed profoundly from the view that had previously prevailed among artists. This view helped to unify the artistic works created in the new style.
The ancient Greeks had conceived of the world in concrete terms, even endowing abstract qualities with bodies. This Greek view of matter persisted, so far as painting was concerned, into the nineteenth century. The Impressionists, on the other hand, viewed light, not matter, as the ultimate visual reality. The philosopher Taine expressed the Impressionist view of things when he said, “The chief ‘person’ in a picture is the light in which everything is bathed.”

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point out the revolutionary difference of impressionist to that of traditional Greek philosophy for the focus transform from matter to light

In Impressionist painting, solid bodies became mere reflectors of light, and distinctions between one object and another became arbitrary conventions; for by light all things were welded together. The treatment of both color and outline was transformed as well. Color, formerly considered a property inherent in an object, was seen to be merely the result of vibrations of light on the object’s colorless surface. And outline, whose function had formerly been to indicate the limits of objects, now marked instead merely the boundary between units of pattern, which often merged into one another.

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further detailed illustration to the differences of impressionist and Greek painters depicted in para1

The Impressionist world was composed not of separate objects but of many surfaces on which light struck and was reflected with varying intensity to the eye through the atmosphere, which modified it. It was this process that produced the mosaic of colors that formed an Impressionist canvas. “Light becomes the sole subject of the picture,” writes Mauclair. “The interest of the object upon which it plays is secondary. Painting thus conceived becomes a purely optic art.”

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follow by para2 explore further on what influences had on the Impressionist style of painting that light rather than object it paints be the main theme


From this profoundly revolutionary form of art, then, all ideas—religious, moral, psychological—were excluded, and so were all emotions except certain aesthetic ones. The people, places, and things depicted in an Impressionist picture do not tell story or convey any special meaning; they are, instead, merely parts of pattern of light drawn from nature and captured on canvas by the artist.

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make the conclusion by stating the gist of impressionist in that the ideas emotions or meaning are out of presence and instead only the aesthetic light pattern are shown on the scene
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Thanks Karishma. In Q6, Statement 3 - how can we confirm 18th century artist view. It says previously without clarifying the century of Impressionist works. Only says Greek style persisted into 19th century

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Sorry but I disagree how statement 1 can be answered in Q6. I think OA being B is wrong. Should be D, not even E as stated above.

workout Please bump this for expert review. Too many doubts here and not a single confident answer.

GMATNinja KarishmaB - any insights please ?


For question 6, answer (E) is correct.


I. How did the Impressionists perceive matter?

"The ancient Greeks had conceived of the world in concrete terms, even endowing abstract qualities with bodies. This Greek view of matter persisted, so far as painting was concerned, into the nineteenth century. The Impressionists, on the other hand, viewed light, not matter, as the ultimate visual reality."

Gives the Greek view of matter (bodies/objects). Impressionists' viewed matter as "not the ultimate visual reality".

"In Impressionist painting, solid bodies became mere reflectors of light, and distinctions between one object and another became arbitrary conventions"

Gives how Impressionists viewed matter.

"The Impressionist world was composed not of separate objects but of many surfaces on which light struck..."

Again, gives how Impressionists viewed matter.

II. What is the unifying element in a typical Impressionist painting?

"...for by light all things were welded together"

No doubt about this that light was the unifying element.

II. How did the Impressionists’ view of color differ from that of eighteenth-century artists?

"...Color, formerly considered a property inherent in an object, was seen to be merely the result of vibrations of light on the object’s colorless surface."

Again, no doubt.
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Can someone please explain to me in #6, why E is the right choice ? There was a description about how the impressionist view colours( mosaic of colours reference). But for the eighteenth century painters, how they viewed colours were nowhere mentioned. Then how did we come to this conclusion ?
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In que 5 why not A , how C can be correct? Also explain answers of que 5 and que 7, didnt get it all, horrible psg for me
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In que 5 why not A , how C can be correct? Also explain answers of que 5 and que 7, didnt get it all, horrible psg for me


Question #5

https://gmatclub.com/forum/the-impressi ... l#p2118775

https://gmatclub.com/forum/the-impressi ... l#p2199879

Question #7

https://gmatclub.com/forum/the-impressi ... l#p2086779
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How can the answer to the question 6 be (E) as 'III. How did the impressionists' view of color differ from that of the eighteenth-century artists' seems unanswered due to the simple fact that however well we do know the stance of impressionists, we certainly don't have any data for eighteenth-century artists to make the comparison and seek difference(s). I think for this reason the answer cannot include III. and the correct option should be option (C). Correct me if I am wrong.
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visheshsahni wrote:
Sorry but I disagree how statement 1 can be answered in Q6. I think OA being B is wrong. Should be D, not even E as stated above.

workout Please bump this for expert review. Too many doubts here and not a single confident answer.

GMATNinja KarishmaB - any insights please ?


For question 6, answer (E) is correct.


I. How did the Impressionists perceive matter?

"The ancient Greeks had conceived of the world in concrete terms, even endowing abstract qualities with bodies. This Greek view of matter persisted, so far as painting was concerned, into the nineteenth century. The Impressionists, on the other hand, viewed light, not matter, as the ultimate visual reality."

Gives the Greek view of matter (bodies/objects). Impressionists' viewed matter as "not the ultimate visual reality".

"In Impressionist painting, solid bodies became mere reflectors of light, and distinctions between one object and another became arbitrary conventions"

Gives how Impressionists viewed matter.

"The Impressionist world was composed not of separate objects but of many surfaces on which light struck..."

Again, gives how Impressionists viewed matter.

II. What is the unifying element in a typical Impressionist painting?

"...for by light all things were welded together"

No doubt about this that light was the unifying element.

II. How did the Impressionists’ view of color differ from that of eighteenth-century artists?

"...Color, formerly considered a property inherent in an object, was seen to be merely the result of vibrations of light on the object’s colorless surface."

Again, no doubt.


KarishmaB wrote:
visheshsahni wrote:
Sorry but I disagree how statement 1 can be answered in Q6. I think OA being B is wrong. Should be D, not even E as stated above.

workout Please bump this for expert review. Too many doubts here and not a single confident answer.

GMATNinja KarishmaB - any insights please ?


For question 6, answer (E) is correct.


I. How did the Impressionists perceive matter?

"The ancient Greeks had conceived of the world in concrete terms, even endowing abstract qualities with bodies. This Greek view of matter persisted, so far as painting was concerned, into the nineteenth century. The Impressionists, on the other hand, viewed light, not matter, as the ultimate visual reality."

Gives the Greek view of matter (bodies/objects). Impressionists' viewed matter as "not the ultimate visual reality".

"In Impressionist painting, solid bodies became mere reflectors of light, and distinctions between one object and another became arbitrary conventions"

Gives how Impressionists viewed matter.

"The Impressionist world was composed not of separate objects but of many surfaces on which light struck..."

Again, gives how Impressionists viewed matter.

II. What is the unifying element in a typical Impressionist painting?

"...for by light all things were welded together"

No doubt about this that light was the unifying element.

II. How did the Impressionists’ view of color differ from that of eighteenth-century artists?

"...Color, formerly considered a property inherent in an object, was seen to be merely the result of vibrations of light on the object’s colorless surface."

Again, no doubt.


Pls elaborate on 3rd statement. Not getting clear and not able to find it directly in passage that its view differs from "18th century artists"
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Can anyone explain Q3 why not A?
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