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Re: Calling All Duke Fall 2010 Applicants! (MERGED) [#permalink] New post   19 Feb 2010, 01:26
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What's Fuqua's grade disclosure policy?


As of now, we have a full disclosure policy (meaning the recruiter has access to our grades if requested), but there has been some talk this year about doing away with that. I think it's just talk, though. Personally, I like grade disclosure. If a firm is going to take a chance on someone and shower him with many thousands of dollars then the firm should see how he's doing in school. And if a student is worried about grade disclosure then maybe he should just do better.


I am actually surprised on your stance and the policy in general because to me, grade disclosure creates inter-classmate competition, which is somewhat different than the collaborative environment Duke is known for. Additionally, the policy incentivizes people to only take classes that play to their strengths and discourages them from taking courses that could stretch them and be more challenging, which is a bummer at a school like Fuqua that has a fairly flexible curriculum.

Its not a matter of "just doing better", especially when the students are coming from such diverse backgrounds. I highly doubt that a former engineer is going to be on the same level as someone like me with a wall street background as we go through a capital markets class. And guess what, he is probably going to be the career switcher, not me and is going to need help. If you have a grade disclosure policy based on a forced curve, you are upping the competition in the class and while yeah I will probably still lend a hand, I will also have in the back of my mind that 25% range I need to be in. I fail to see how the grades are even that relevant/valid on a forced curve basis, no matter how bright the class is, only 25% can get the highest mark.

Just a different way of looking at the policy I guess.
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Re: Calling All Duke Fall 2010 Applicants! (MERGED) [#permalink] New post   19 Feb 2010, 07:32
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What's Fuqua's grade disclosure policy?


As of now, we have a full disclosure policy (meaning the recruiter has access to our grades if requested), but there has been some talk this year about doing away with that. I think it's just talk, though. Personally, I like grade disclosure. If a firm is going to take a chance on someone and shower him with many thousands of dollars then the firm should see how he's doing in school. And if a student is worried about grade disclosure then maybe he should just do better.


I am actually surprised on your stance and the policy in general because to me, grade disclosure creates inter-classmate competition, which is somewhat different than the collaborative environment Duke is known for. Additionally, the policy incentivizes people to only take classes that play to their strengths and discourages them from taking courses that could stretch them and be more challenging, which is a bummer at a school like Fuqua that has a fairly flexible curriculum.

Its not a matter of "just doing better", especially when the students are coming from such diverse backgrounds. I highly doubt that a former engineer is going to be on the same level as someone like me with a wall street background as we go through a capital markets class. And guess what, he is probably going to be the career switcher, not me and is going to need help. If you have a grade disclosure policy based on a forced curve, you are upping the competition in the class and while yeah I will probably still lend a hand, I will also have in the back of my mind that 25% range I need to be in. I fail to see how the grades are even that relevant/valid on a forced curve basis, no matter how bright the class is, only 25% can get the highest mark.

Just a different way of looking at the policy I guess.

You're right -- it's just a different way to look at it. What I can tell you, though, is that the grade disclosure policy does nothing to raise the competitive stakes here. There is no pervasive sense of competitiveness here at all. In fact, those who have been more well equipped in certain classes -- to follow your analogy above -- have often hosted help sessions for their classmates. And as for the electives (you're right, Fuqua has one of the most flexible curricula in the country), I'm not aware of anyone who's stacking the deck in their favor by taking classes that come easy to them. Generally, people take what interests them and what could prove applicable in their careers. Some students might be taking a lighter workload this term, but that's to give them time for the job search -- something that, fortunately, Fuqua allows us to do. It's all part of the culture here. I don't know if the admissions team sniffs out the cutthroat egomaniacs before they can ever get in here, but whatever it is, the collaborative, supportive environment remains strong despite the grade policy.
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Re: Calling All Duke Fall 2010 Applicants! (MERGED) [#permalink] New post   19 Feb 2010, 07:33
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So.. are most people showing up in a suit & tie?


I wore a nice suit, but ditched the tie in an effort to not completely disregard their instructions re: attire.
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Re: Calling All Duke Fall 2010 Applicants! (MERGED) [#permalink] New post   19 Feb 2010, 08:14
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Re: the grading policy - a friend who's a Fuqua alum from a few years back pointed me towards this video he had a hand in. Good for a quick laugh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xLV23t1rLY

(note: I visited Darden and thought it was great, so I try to look at this more as a general stand against "gunning")
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Re: Calling All Duke Fall 2010 Applicants! (MERGED) [#permalink] New post   19 Feb 2010, 08:36
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You're right -- it's just a different way to look at it. What I can tell you, though, is that the grade disclosure policy does nothing to raise the competitive stakes here. There is no pervasive sense of competitiveness here at all. In fact, those who have been more well equipped in certain classes -- to follow your analogy above -- have often hosted help sessions for their classmates. And as for the electives (you're right, Fuqua has one of the most flexible curricula in the country), I'm not aware of anyone who's stacking the deck in their favor by taking classes that come easy to them. Generally, people take what interests them and what could prove applicable in their careers. Some students might be taking a lighter workload this term, but that's to give them time for the job search -- something that, fortunately, Fuqua allows us to do. It's all part of the culture here. I don't know if the admissions team sniffs out the cutthroat egomaniacs before they can ever get in here, but whatever it is, the collaborative, supportive environment remains strong despite the grade policy.


Thanks a lot for the thoughtful reply, this is all great to hear. Best of luck in recruiting this year!
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Re: Calling All Duke Fall 2010 Applicants! (MERGED) [#permalink] New post   19 Feb 2010, 09:54
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A couple of you have been concerned about the tie or no tie deal. All I can say there is that the school truly wants you to be comfortable, so dress according to that and only that. You're not going to impress anyone if you wear a tie (and you might come off a little stiff), and you're certainly not going to disappoint anyone if you go without one.

Good luck!


Seconded. I went with a suit, no tie. There were a handful of people who went suit jacket but non-matching pants and one or two who had no jacket. No one thought anybody looked out of place.

Plus if you're on either end of the spectrum you can always make a joke about it. If you feel over-dressed for business casual, tell your interviewer that he/she would love to see your business formal attire. It's like a 13 piece suit. Or if you feel under-dressed, say you were the only one that actually read the e-mail instructions (like someone's interviewer told them in an ED/R1 IV earlier in this thread). You can use any situation to your favor, I think, as long as you don't take it too seriously.
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Re: Calling All Duke Fall 2010 Applicants! (MERGED) [#permalink] New post   19 Feb 2010, 10:06
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bonethugnhominy wrote:
So.. are most people showing up in a suit & tie?


I wore a nice suit, but ditched the tie in an effort to not completely disregard their instructions re: attire.


My exact move.
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Re: Calling All Duke Fall 2010 Applicants! (MERGED) [#permalink] New post   19 Feb 2010, 11:21
Sooo.........two weeks to decision time? Eeps!
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Re: Calling All Duke Fall 2010 Applicants! (MERGED) [#permalink] New post   22 Feb 2010, 11:19
Hello my friends, I　have something that need an opinion or two.

I had an Saturday interview at a hub in CA. My interview was strictly 30 min + 5 min for Q&A.
My interviewer started to look at the clock at close to 30 min. I　later learned from someone else who interviewed with another alum at the same hub his was close to 1 hour. What can I take from this?
Anyone else who interviewed at the SF hub? 30 min felt really short for me and I had a lot more to say. :(

I am not sure if they did have a strict time limit, and if so why another person interviewed close to an hour. If there is no time limit, then I guess I　the person didn't feel me at all. Yikes! Should I ask for another one?

million thanks.
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Re: Calling All Duke Fall 2010 Applicants! (MERGED) [#permalink] New post   22 Feb 2010, 17:47
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Hello my friends, I　have something that need an opinion or two.

I had an Saturday interview at a hub in CA. My interview was strictly 30 min + 5 min for Q&A.
My interviewer started to look at the clock at close to 30 min. I　later learned from someone else who interviewed with another alum at the same hub his was close to 1 hour. What can I take from this?
Anyone else who interviewed at the SF hub? 30 min felt really short for me and I had a lot more to say. :(

I am not sure if they did have a strict time limit, and if so why another person interviewed close to an hour. If there is no time limit, then I guess I　the person didn't feel me at all. Yikes! Should I ask for another one?

million thanks.


I dont think you will get another interview even if you ask for one. Given a chance, I'm sure there's something that all of us could do better in an interview. Just reflect on what you can do better and crack the next one.

On a separate note, interviewers are just trying to determine fit and see if you'll do well at Duke. If they figured it out in 30 minutes, you probably did a good job -- i hope you took the rest of the time to ask "intelligent" questions to show how much you <3 Duke. Good luck!
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Re: Calling All Duke Fall 2010 Applicants! (MERGED) [#permalink] New post   22 Feb 2010, 17:48
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Sooo.........two weeks to decision time? Eeps!


Double eeeeps!
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Re: Calling All Duke Fall 2010 Applicants! (MERGED) [#permalink] New post   22 Feb 2010, 19:35
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Sooo.........two weeks to decision time? Eeps!


Double eeeeps!


Triple eeps for this guy. There's a rumor going around that Duke's policy school might be releasing their acceptance/waitlist decisions tomorrow afternoon. Not getting one of those would make waiting for Fuqua bittersweet. :?
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Re: Calling All Duke Fall 2010 Applicants! (MERGED) [#permalink] New post   23 Feb 2010, 12:15
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@ACNguy - Finally got a hold of someone in the financial aid office after going through the school's main line - really nice guy, apologized about technical difficulties with their VM system. Anyway, he said that filling out the form with your personal email address and leaving the Duke ID field blank will work just fine.
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Re: Calling All Duke Fall 2010 Applicants! (MERGED) [#permalink] New post   24 Feb 2010, 08:52
How certain are we that decisions will go out next Friday, March 5? It seemed to me in R1 that Duke was planning to wait until the actual deadline, but had their hand forced because a few emails for the admitted student site leaked out the Friday before.
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Re: Calling All Duke Fall 2010 Applicants! (MERGED) [#permalink] New post   24 Feb 2010, 08:53
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@ACNguy - Finally got a hold of someone in the financial aid office after going through the school's main line - really nice guy, apologized about technical difficulties with their VM system. Anyway, he said that filling out the form with your personal email address and leaving the Duke ID field blank will work just fine.


Thanks for checking this out. +1
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Re: Calling All Duke Fall 2010 Applicants! (MERGED) [#permalink] New post   24 Feb 2010, 11:11
kidd38s wrote:
@ACNguy - Finally got a hold of someone in the financial aid office after going through the school's main line - really nice guy, apologized about technical difficulties with their VM system. Anyway, he said that filling out the form with your personal email address and leaving the Duke ID field blank will work just fine.


+1 to you. Submitted my second Fuqua Financial Aid request form, now with my personal email included.
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Re: Calling All Duke Fall 2010 Applicants! (MERGED) [#permalink] New post   24 Feb 2010, 15:41
kidd38s wrote:
@ACNguy - Finally got a hold of someone in the financial aid office after going through the school's main line - really nice guy, apologized about technical difficulties with their VM system. Anyway, he said that filling out the form with your personal email address and leaving the Duke ID field blank will work just fine.


+1 Thanks! This information is very helpful to everyone planning to attend!
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Re: Calling All Duke Fall 2010 Applicants! (MERGED) [#permalink] New post   25 Feb 2010, 20:31
I recently went to Durham for my interview. The campus, as well as the students I met & interviewed with, were all awesome. This was one visit that really did a good job at selling the school.
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Re: Calling All Duke Fall 2010 Applicants! (MERGED) [#permalink] New post   28 Feb 2010, 11:57
Please add me to roll call for Rd 2. Just about a week to go...
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Re: Calling All Duke Fall 2010 Applicants! (MERGED) [#permalink] New post   01 Mar 2010, 14:46
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lbiggs wrote:
JohnnyBravo wrote:
Sooo.........two weeks to decision time? Eeps!


Double eeeeps!


Triple eeps for this guy. There's a rumor going around that Duke's policy school might be releasing their acceptance/waitlist decisions tomorrow afternoon. Not getting one of those would make waiting for Fuqua bittersweet. :?



I don't know if these means anything and may be unrelated, but my girlfriend applied to the Sanford Public Policy School and got her admit last week.

Just an FYI ... I wouldn't look to deeply into it.
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