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why is it so that we are doing the (1/2) 3 times?
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why is it so that we are doing the (1/2) 3 times?


\(x_i=\frac{x_{(i-1)}}{2}\), so every next term is preivious term times \(\frac{1}{2}\) --> \(x_4=x_3*\frac{1}{2}=x_2*\frac{1}{2}*\frac{1}{2}=x_1*\frac{1}{2}*\frac{1}{2}*\frac{1}{2}=x_1*(\frac{1}{2})^3\).
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Thanks Bunuel,

But how do you account for the fact that x4 could be equal to zero.

By taking both the statements together, one of the solutions is also x4 = 0. It nowhere mentions in the question that the sequence has all distinct numbers. Or may be I am unaware that sequence is meant to consist of distinct numbers only.
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Thanks Bunuel,

But how do you account for the fact that x4 could be equal to zero.

By taking both the statements together, one of the solutions is also x4 = 0. It nowhere mentions in the question that the sequence has all distinct numbers. Or may be I am unaware that sequence is meant to consist of distinct numbers only.


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Oooops !!! missed that one.

I must say Bunuel you are a champion! I follow your posts and sometimes I am just blown away by your answers.
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abhisheksharma85 wrote:
In the sequence of positive numbers X1, X2, X3, ..... What is the value of X1

(1) Xi = Xi-1 / 2 for all integers i > 1

(2) X5 = X4 / X4+1



Guys, I need to know how to solve this question.. Thanks..



from 1, simply put the values of i = 2,3 or 4 but we can not find the value of X1

we can only know

X2 = X1 / 2 or
X3 = X2 / 2 = X1 / 4 or
X4 = X1 / 8 or
X5 = X1 / 16 etc....
insufficient

from 2, X5 = X4 / X4+1
cannot find X1 , insufficient

combine 1+2, X5 = X1 / 16
and X4 = X1 / 8

so, X1 / 16 = (X1 / 8)/((X1 / 8)+1)

can find X1 hence sufficient

Note : you will find two values of X1 from above quadratic equation i.e X1 = 0 and X1 = 8,
since it is given that X1 is positive so we cant take X1=0 hence sufficient
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In the sequence of positive numbers \(x_1\), \(x_2\), \(x_3\), ..., what is the value of \(x_1\)?

(1) \(x_i=\frac{x_{(i-1)}}{2}\) for all integers \(i>1\) --> we have the general formula connecting two consecutive terms (basically we have geometric progression with common ratio 1/2), but without the value of any term this info is insufficient to find \(x_1\).

(2) \(x_5=\frac{x_4}{x_4+1}\) --> we have the relationship between \(x_5\) and \(x_4\), also insufficient to find \(x_1\) (we cannot extrapolate the relationship between \(x_5\) and \(x_4\) to all consecutive terms in the sequence).

(1)+(2) From (1) \(x_5=\frac{x_4}{2}\) --> \(\frac{x_4}{2}=\frac{x_4}{x_4+1}\) --> \(x_4=1\) --> \(x_4=1=x_1*(\frac{1}{2})^3\) --> \(x_1=8\). Sufficient.

Answer: C.

last part is not clear. (1/2)^3 how did u get it?
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In the sequence of positive numbers \(x_1\), \(x_2\), \(x_3\), ..., what is the value of \(x_1\)?

(1) \(x_i=\frac{x_{(i-1)}}{2}\) for all integers \(i>1\) --> we have the general formula connecting two consecutive terms (basically we have geometric progression with common ratio 1/2), but without the value of any term this info is insufficient to find \(x_1\).

(2) \(x_5=\frac{x_4}{x_4+1}\) --> we have the relationship between \(x_5\) and \(x_4\), also insufficient to find \(x_1\) (we cannot extrapolate the relationship between \(x_5\) and \(x_4\) to all consecutive terms in the sequence).

(1)+(2) From (1) \(x_5=\frac{x_4}{2}\) --> \(\frac{x_4}{2}=\frac{x_4}{x_4+1}\) --> \(x_4=1\) --> \(x_4=1=x_1*(\frac{1}{2})^3\) --> \(x_1=8\). Sufficient.

Answer: C.

last part is not clear. (1/2)^3 how did u get it?


Please read the red part carefully.

Or from \(x_i=\frac{x_{(i-1)}}{2}\):

\(x_2=\frac{x_1}{2}\);

\(x_3=\frac{x_2}{2}=\frac{x_1}{4}\);

\(x_4=\frac{x_3}{2}=\frac{x_1}{8}\).

Hope it's clear.
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In the sequence of positive numbers \(x_1\), \(x_2\), \(x_3\), ..., what is the value of \(x_1\)?

(1) \(x_i=\frac{x_{(i-1)}}{2}\) for all integers \(i>1\) --> we have the general formula connecting two consecutive terms (basically we have geometric progression with common ratio 1/2), but without the value of any term this info is insufficient to find \(x_1\).

(2) \(x_5=\frac{x_4}{x_4+1}\) --> we have the relationship between \(x_5\) and \(x_4\), also insufficient to find \(x_1\) (we cannot extrapolate the relationship between \(x_5\) and \(x_4\) to all consecutive terms in the sequence).

(1)+(2) From (1) \(x_5=\frac{x_4}{2}\) --> \(\frac{x_4}{2}=\frac{x_4}{x_4+1}\) --> \(x_4=1\) --> \(x_4=1=x_1*(\frac{1}{2})^3\) --> \(x_1=8\). Sufficient.

Answer: C.


Bunuel: to get x4 = 1 do we cross multiply? Can you show the steps to attain this value ? :)
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Bunuel wrote:
In the sequence of positive numbers \(x_1\), \(x_2\), \(x_3\), ..., what is the value of \(x_1\)?

(1) \(x_i=\frac{x_{(i-1)}}{2}\) for all integers \(i>1\) --> we have the general formula connecting two consecutive terms (basically we have geometric progression with common ratio 1/2), but without the value of any term this info is insufficient to find \(x_1\).

(2) \(x_5=\frac{x_4}{x_4+1}\) --> we have the relationship between \(x_5\) and \(x_4\), also insufficient to find \(x_1\) (we cannot extrapolate the relationship between \(x_5\) and \(x_4\) to all consecutive terms in the sequence).

(1)+(2) From (1) \(x_5=\frac{x_4}{2}\) --> \(\frac{x_4}{2}=\frac{x_4}{x_4+1}\) --> \(x_4=1\) --> \(x_4=1=x_1*(\frac{1}{2})^3\) --> \(x_1=8\). Sufficient.

Answer: C.


Bunuel: to get x4 = 1 do we cross multiply? Can you show the steps to attain this value ? :)


Sure.

\(\frac{x_4}{2}=\frac{x_4}{x_4+1}\);

Reduce by x4: \(\frac{1}{2}=\frac{1}{x_4+1}\);

Cross-multiply: \(x_4+1=2\) --> \(x_4=1\).

Hope it's clear.
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Bunuel wrote:
In the sequence of positive numbers \(x_1\), \(x_2\), \(x_3\), ..., what is the value of \(x_1\)?

(1) \(x_i=\frac{x_{(i-1)}}{2}\) for all integers \(i>1\) --> we have the general formula connecting two consecutive terms (basically we have geometric progression with common ratio 1/2), but without the value of any term this info is insufficient to find \(x_1\).

(2) \(x_5=\frac{x_4}{x_4+1}\) --> we have the relationship between \(x_5\) and \(x_4\), also insufficient to find \(x_1\) (we cannot extrapolate the relationship between \(x_5\) and \(x_4\) to all consecutive terms in the sequence).

(1)+(2) From (1) \(x_5=\frac{x_4}{2}\) --> \(\frac{x_4}{2}=\frac{x_4}{x_4+1}\) --> \(x_4=1\) --> \(x_4=1=x_1*(\frac{1}{2})^3\) --> \(x_1=8\). Sufficient.

Answer: C.


Bunuel I got this wrong because I thought x1 = 0 is also a solution. But since the question says it is a sequence of positive numbers, I guess I cannot assume that.

On a slightly different note, can the values in a sequence be a constant?
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Bunuel wrote:
In the sequence of positive numbers \(x_1\), \(x_2\), \(x_3\), ..., what is the value of \(x_1\)?

(1) \(x_i=\frac{x_{(i-1)}}{2}\) for all integers \(i>1\) --> we have the general formula connecting two consecutive terms (basically we have geometric progression with common ratio 1/2), but without the value of any term this info is insufficient to find \(x_1\).

(2) \(x_5=\frac{x_4}{x_4+1}\) --> we have the relationship between \(x_5\) and \(x_4\), also insufficient to find \(x_1\) (we cannot extrapolate the relationship between \(x_5\) and \(x_4\) to all consecutive terms in the sequence).

(1)+(2) From (1) \(x_5=\frac{x_4}{2}\) --> \(\frac{x_4}{2}=\frac{x_4}{x_4+1}\) --> \(x_4=1\) --> \(x_4=1=x_1*(\frac{1}{2})^3\) --> \(x_1=8\). Sufficient.

Answer: C.


Bunuel I got this wrong because I thought x1 = 0 is also a solution. But since the question says it is a sequence of positive numbers, I guess I cannot assume that.

On a slightly different note, can the values in a sequence be a constant?


Yes, all terms in a sequence can be the same. For example, {1, 1, 1, 1, ...}.
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Bunuel wrote:
In the sequence of positive numbers \(x_1\), \(x_2\), \(x_3\), ..., what is the value of \(x_1\)?

(1) \(x_i=\frac{x_{(i-1)}}{2}\) for all integers \(i>1\) --> we have the general formula connecting two consecutive terms (basically we have geometric progression with common ratio 1/2), but without the value of any term this info is insufficient to find \(x_1\).

(2) \(x_5=\frac{x_4}{x_4+1}\) --> we have the relationship between \(x_5\) and \(x_4\), also insufficient to find \(x_1\) (we cannot extrapolate the relationship between \(x_5\) and \(x_4\) to all consecutive terms in the sequence).

(1)+(2) From (1) \(x_5=\frac{x_4}{2}\) --> \(\frac{x_4}{2}=\frac{x_4}{x_4+1}\) --> \(x_4=1\) --> \(x_4=1=x_1*(\frac{1}{2})^3\) --> \(x_1=8\). Sufficient.

Answer: C.


How do we know its a GP question?
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Bunuel wrote:
In the sequence of positive numbers \(x_1\), \(x_2\), \(x_3\), ..., what is the value of \(x_1\)?

(1) \(x_i=\frac{x_{(i-1)}}{2}\) for all integers \(i>1\) --> we have the general formula connecting two consecutive terms (basically we have geometric progression with common ratio 1/2), but without the value of any term this info is insufficient to find \(x_1\).

(2) \(x_5=\frac{x_4}{x_4+1}\) --> we have the relationship between \(x_5\) and \(x_4\), also insufficient to find \(x_1\) (we cannot extrapolate the relationship between \(x_5\) and \(x_4\) to all consecutive terms in the sequence).

(1)+(2) From (1) \(x_5=\frac{x_4}{2}\) --> \(\frac{x_4}{2}=\frac{x_4}{x_4+1}\) --> \(x_4=1\) --> \(x_4=1=x_1*(\frac{1}{2})^3\) --> \(x_1=8\). Sufficient.

Answer: C.


How do we know its a GP question?


\(x_i=\frac{x_{(i-1)}}{2}\) means that each term is 1/2 of the previous term so we have geometric progression with common ratio of 1/2.
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