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Though he had had success broadcasting his controversial radio program on highly regulated terrestrial airwaves, Howard Stern opted out of terrestrial broadcasting in favor of the less regulated satellite radio medium.

a Though he had had
b Though he has had
c Even though he had
d Having had
e Having achieved


it is between A and C ... I think C makes more sense ... when he opted out .. I think He was still successful.

to use past participle .. 2 things need to happen in the past. the very first thing happend inthe past, uses past participle and the second one uses simple past. But here the first thing completly done before second thing stats ... so in this case past participle makes sense..

but in the question, he was still successful when he opted out so I don't think past participle suits in this situation..
please post OE if you have ...
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Though he had had success broadcasting his controversial radio program on highly regulated terrestrial airwaves, Howard Stern opted out of terrestrial broadcasting in favor of the less regulated satellite radio medium.

A. Though he had had
B. Though he has had
C. Even though he had
D. Having had
E. Having achieved


had had is past perfect of 'to have'
has/have had is present perfect of 'to have'

Here we have to use past perfect to show the occurrence of previous past event.
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sachinrelan wrote:
Though he had had success broadcasting his controversial radio program on highly regulated terrestrial airwaves, Howard Stern opted out of terrestrial broadcasting in favor of the less regulated satellite radio medium.

A. Though he had had
B. Though he has had
C. Even though he had
D. Having had
E. Having achieved


had had is past perfect of 'to have'
has/have had is present perfect of 'to have'

Here we have to use past perfect to show the occurrence of previous past event.



Thanks Gurpreet ...i was also convinced that here past perfect is needed, but what is wrong with option E and D, as "Having acheived" and "Having had" are alternate forms to express past perfect tense and sequence of events.
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Thanks Gurpreet ...i was also convinced that here past perfect is needed, but what is wrong with option E and D, as "Having acheived" and "Having had" are alternate forms to express past perfect tense and sequence of events.



Having <Verb>-ed is not past perfect tense

Past perfect would be had <verb>-ed
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Hey Sachin,

Shrouded isn't quite right here. Obviously the last two answer choices are not the past perfect tense, but they are legitimate ways to word the sentence. The issue is one of meaning. We want the "though," to express that Howard Stern left EVEN THOUGH he was successful. He didn't leave BECAUSE he'd been successful (that doesn't make any sense), which is the meaning in the last two answer choices.

Hope that helps!

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Well, Tim Sanders (Tommy's colleague ..I think!) gives a good explanation too. Check it out - https://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/sc- ... 10137.html
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I opted for C because at quite a few places I have read that if the order in which events happen is clear then we dont have to use past - perfect tense with past tense to state the order of execution. In this statement use of Though makes its clear that success happened before Mr Stern decided to opt out.

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@ Arundas: I would rather think that the reverse is the right case in grammatical sense. When we are not clear about the order in which events have happened, then it will be safe to describe those actions in simple past. When the timings are clear, the last one has to be in simple past and the earlier one or ones in past perfect.
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Though he had had success broadcasting his controversial radio program on highly regulated terrestrial airwaves, Howard Stern opted out of terrestrial broadcasting in favor of the less regulated satellite radio medium.


A)Though he had had- CORRECT
B)Though he has had - HAS HAD IS WRONG
C)Even though he had- EVEN = THOUGH (REDUNDANT)
D)Having had- CHANGES THE MEANING
E)Having achieved - CHANGES THE MEANING
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Should it not be E ?
Had had means something which happened in the past before another event which also happened in the past and then ended.
where are when we use thee progressive tense it means that event or its after effects are still continuing, and success once achieved stays with you.
so shouldn't it be having achieved ?
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Though there is nothing weird about it, this topic has a subtle pitfall in terms of meaning. A says that Howard had had success for some time in terrestrial one (and that the success stopped for a while) and then he chose to pursue the satellite thing. Otherwise, there is no need for past perfect tense.

However, this not the intension of the text. The actual meaning is that even as he was having success (an on -going affair) he chose to switch from terrestrial to satellite. Both were happening at the same time. Therefore, there is no need for a past perfect. A simple past tense, namely, ‘had’ is sufficient. I beg to differ from the official version A in favor of C
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Though he had had success broadcasting his controversial radio program on highly regulated terrestrial airwaves, Howard Stern opted out of terrestrial broadcasting in favor of the less regulated satellite radio medium.

(A) Though he had had
(B) Though he has had
(C) Even though he had
(D) Having had
(E) Having achieved


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One use of "had" is the PAST TENSE of the infinitive "TO HAVE". (let's call this "had1")
This is like other past tenses, such as "was", "chose", "ran", "threw".

Another is the PAST PARTICIPLE of the infinitive "TO HAVE". (let's call this "had2")
This is like other past participles, such as "been", "chosen", "run", "thrown".

The other is as a HELPING VERB that appears in the PAST PERFECT. (let's call this "had3")

Here's how "to have" is conjugated:

Present: He has the flu.
Past: He had the flu. (this is had1)
Past Perfect: He had had the flu. (this is had3 had2)

Analogy: Some other random verb, such as "to choose"

Present: He chooses the steak entree.
Past: He chose the steak entree.
Past Perfect: He had chosen the steak entree. (this is had3)

The difficulty here lies in not confusing the different "had"s.

The second clause says that he "OPTED OUT". This mean that he QUIT terrestrial broadcasting.

Given that he had previously enjoyed success, this is indeed a contrast.
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The original sentence correctly uses the past perfect form “had had” to establish a chronology of two
past events; it is clear that Howard Stern “had had success” (past perfect) prior to the moment in the
past when he “opted out” (simple past) of terrestrial broadcasting.

(A) CORRECT. This choice is correct as it repeats the original sentence.

(B) The present perfect form “has had” incorrectly implies that Howard Stern continues to have
success broadcasting on terrestrial airwaves, even after opting out of terrestrial broadcasting. The
present perfect form is used for events that began in the past and continue into the present; the past
perfect "had had" must be used to indicate the earliest of multiple past events.

(C) The use of the simple past “he had” fails to establish a time-ordering of the two past events; the
past perfect form of the verb is needed to indicate that Howard Stern “had had success” (past perfect)
prior to the moment in the past when he “opted out” (simple past) of terrestrial broadcasting. Also,
“even though” is unnecessarily wordy. The more concise “though” is preferred.

(D) "Having had" is an accepted alternative past perfect construction and thus is grammatically
correct. However, the use of “having had” implies that Howard Stern “opted out of terrestrial
broadcasting” as a result of “having had” success with terrestrial broadcasts. The logical meaning of
the sentence is that he “opted out” despite his previous success, not because of it.
GOOD meaning change twist.

(E) "Having achieved" is an accepted alternative past perfect construction and thus is grammatically
correct. However, the use of “having achieved” implies that Howard Stern “opted out of terrestrial
broadcasting” as a result of “having achieved” success with terrestrial broadcasts. The logical meaning
of the sentence is that he “opted out” despite his previous success, not because of it.
GOOD meaning change twist.
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