ekanshgoyal wrote:
hellosanthosh2k2 wrote:
Hi
VeritasPrepKarishma, I have one question, though i solved this question.
I have a question, initially i thought the ratio of soap to fragrance is 3 times greater than ratio of water to soap means 300% more => say ratio is x, 3 times greater is x + 3x = 4x, so i solved the question with ratio of soap to fragrance = 8:1 instead of 6:1, but could not find my answer for ratio after water evaporates (8:1) in the choices. Then i had to consider as 6:1 and solve it again. Had there been an answer choice as 8:1, i would have picked up that by mistake. Luckily it was n't there, but we can definitely expect such trap in real exam.
can you please clarify , is n't 3 times greater = x + 3x?
and 3 times = 3x?
Thanks
I have same doubt. Since three times larger must mean its four times of the value. Please clarify.
Agree that it's confusing but check below:
Merriam Webster's
Dictionary of English Usage:
The argument in this case is that times more (or times larger, times stronger, times brighter, etc.) is ambiguous, so that "He has five times more money than you" can be misunderstood as meaning "He has six times as much money as you." It is, in fact, possible to misunderstand times more in this way, but it takes a good deal of effort. If you have $100, five times that is $500, which means that "five times more than $100" can mean (the commentators claim) "$500 more than $100," which equals "$600," which equals "six times as much as $100." The commentators regard this as a serious ambiguity, and they advise you to avoid it by always saying "times as much" instead of "times more." Here again, it seems that they are paying homage to mathematics at the expense of language. The fact is that "five times more" and "five times as much" are idiomatic phrases which have - and are understood to have - exactly the same meaning.
The "ambiguity" of times more is imaginary: in the world of actual speech and writing, the meaning of times more is clear and unequivocal. It is an idiom that has existed in our language for more than four centuries, and there is no real reason to avoid its use.
More on this
here.
Also, check the following posts by Ianstewart:
IanStewart wrote:
ethanhunt007 wrote:
Hi, I have an issue with the phrase "greater than"
If I say X is twice of Y, then it should mean --> X = 2Y
If I say X is two times greater than Y, shouldn't it mean --> X = 3Y
There seems to be some confusion about this earlier in this thread. The phrase "X is 2 times greater than Y" simply means that X = 2Y. It's understandable that this might seem confusing, because if instead we say "X is 200% greater than Y" we definitely mean that X = 3Y, but this all boils down to idiomatic usage in English. If you think of smaller numbers, it might be clear this is how the phrase is used in the language (there's a reason you've never heard anyone say "X is 1 times greater than Y" to mean that X is twice as big as Y), and it's also what the dictionary says, as quoted at this link:
https://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/61774.html IanStewart wrote:
ethanhunt007 wrote:
Hi, I have an issue with the phrase "greater than"
If I say X is twice of Y, then it should mean --> X = 2Y
If I say X is two times greater than Y, shouldn't it mean --> X = 3Y
There seems to be some confusion about this earlier in this thread. The phrase "X is 2 times greater than Y" simply means that X = 2Y. It's understandable that this might seem confusing, because if instead we say "X is 200% greater than Y" we definitely mean that X = 3Y, but this all boils down to idiomatic usage in English. If you think of smaller numbers, it might be clear this is how the phrase is used in the language (there's a reason you've never heard anyone say "X is 1 times greater than Y" to mean that X is twice as big as Y), and it's also what the dictionary says, as quoted at this link:
https://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/61774.htmlTo summarize, I think the actual wording on the GMAT will always use "
times as many" (at least in quant section), so you should not worry about it.
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