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Thank you for sharing :-D Especially your hand trick :-D Although it seems weird, I think I'll try to apply that trick too :-D LOL
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spitfire1 - First of all congratulations on scoring 770. Few people would dare to take the test after a 740. From your debrief, it is clear that you went about your second attempt methodically. A lot of your suggestions are similarly excellent. For example, you understood where you need to improve (SC in your case), and made sure that you spent time preparing for the same, as well as in the test to ensure that you deliver.

There is one point that I would like to add to – first 10 questions. While it’s clear that the first 10 questions are slightly more important, and that spending more time worked wonderfully well for you, the same may backfire for some people.

Why.. because people who don’t have the ability to answer questions (i.e those at 40 percentile to 50 percentile on GMAT verbal) may think that they can “manufacture” ability by spending more time on questions early on. In my experience, these students don’t just spend slightly more .. but a lot more time on the first 10 and end up rushing through a number of questions in the end, hurting their score.

Why did it work in your case? Because you had the ability.. You had a 91 percentile on Verbal in your first attempt. Hence, spending that extra time initially meant helped you avoid careless mistakes early on. So overall I want to make sure that people understand that
1. Spending this extra time works if one is at good ability level (70 percentile or more)
2. Spend just a bit more time (10% more) and not a whole lot more.

Overall, great debrief. Good luck for your applications..

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vikasp99 wrote:
spitfire1 congratulation Great score. Good luck for your applications.can you please tell us more about your verbal strategy like for rc and for cr.


Thanks. For RC, I didn't have a specific strategy. Just more about practice really. For CR, I did find this Veritas Advanced Verbal guide very useful. They gave some useful tips really which helped me deal with the tougher CR questions. From memory, they are something along the lines of
(1) don't hijack the conclusion - you automatically form opinions of what the answer should be - make sure you answer exactly what's being asked for
(2) be wary of false comparisons - for example the question maybe about violent crime and one of the attractive wrong answers may take about murder. Violent crime and murder are different, so just watch out for that.
(3) statistics - be wary of statistics and make sure you're comparing like for like. For example, if the murder rate increases it doesn't necessarily mean there were more crimes etc. That one's quite obvious, but they can be trickier

I'd say definitely point 1 is the key one. Make sure you answer the question, sometimes the answer will not be what you expect, or even be the opposite of what you expect, so be wary. Good luck!
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Hey thank you so much for the amazing tricks and congratulations on your score. Could you please share your quant and verbal strategies such as the courses you took? Further it would be nice if you can share your practice test experience. Thanks


Thanks.

Tests: I used the VeritasPrep tests. They often have really good deals where you can buy 6 tests for $20, and you get access to a question bank as well. I also bought all the GMATPrep tests. The first two (the free ones) I found considerably easier than the actual GMAT. I don't know why this is, if it's just me. I have this theory that they try to get you to give the GMAT again (more money!) by allowing you to get a good score on a practice test and then being disappointed with the score on the real test.

Quant: I found the Manhattan Advanced Quant book very, very useful. Wouldn't have got 51 without it. Other than that just practice a lot and try keeping track of the errors you make. For example, I noticed one of my weaknesses was Geometry, so I focused a bit more on that. Also if at first, you're not good at Data Sufficiency don't despair. It takes some getting used to, and after a while once you get the hang of it and avoid the obvious 'traps' then you'll get better scores.

Verbal: Used the Aristotle guide for sentence correction. There are some good free videos on the VeritasPrep site for Critical Reasoning which again I found very useful. Additionally their whole Advanced Verbal Strategy guide was very useful. Refer to my post above for tips on CR. For Reading Comprehension, it's all about practice really - can't say I did anything special there.

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Congrats on getting 770!
That's a really good score. If I had to take the GMAT again, I'd definitely use these tricks.
I think the keyboard shortcuts and hand tricks would greatly help those who have timing problem.
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Congratulations on the score, SpitFire. Can you tell me the timing break up you've followed for each of the sections?

Like, I followed 55-35-15 for Quant and 56-37-19 for Verbal.
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bschoolboy2017 wrote:
Hey thank you so much for the amazing tricks and congratulations on your score. Could you please share your quant and verbal strategies such as the courses you took? Further it would be nice if you can share your practice test experience. Thanks


Thanks.

Tests: I used the VeritasPrep tests. They often have really good deals where you can buy 6 tests for $20, and you get access to a question bank as well. I also bought all the GMATPrep tests. The first two (the free ones) I found considerably easier than the actual GMAT. I don't know why this is, if it's just me. I have this theory that they try to get you to give the GMAT again (more money!) by allowing you to get a good score on a practice test and then being disappointed with the score on the real test.

Quant: I found the Manhattan Advanced Quant book very, very useful. Wouldn't have got 51 without it. Other than that just practice a lot and try keeping track of the errors you make. For example, I noticed one of my weaknesses was Geometry, so I focused a bit more on that. Also if at first, you're not good at Data Sufficiency don't despair. It takes some getting used to, and after a while once you get the hang of it and avoid the obvious 'traps' then you'll get better scores.

Verbal: Used the Aristotle guide for sentence correction. There are some good free videos on the VeritasPrep site for Critical Reasoning which again I found very useful. Additionally their whole Advanced Verbal Strategy guide was very useful. Refer to my post above for tips on CR. For Reading Comprehension, it's all about practice really - can't say I did anything special there.

Good luck!


I've heard mixed things about the MGMAT advanced quant book (that it's overkill). What did you find most helpful about it? Was it just the additional practice? Or are there techniques etc? Also, did you end up taking any of the Manhattan CATs? Or did you just stick with veritas?
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I've heard mixed things about the MGMAT advanced quant book (that it's overkill). What did you find most helpful about it? Was it just the additional practice? Or are there techniques etc? Also, did you end up taking any of the Manhattan CATs? Or did you just stick with veritas?


I used a bit of MGMAT CAT, they were ok... preferred Veritas.. The problem with both is the scoring is a bit more "lenient". For example with Veritas I was getting 770/780 whilst getting 4-5 questions wrong in quant and 5-6 questions wrong in Verbal, which I don't think could ever lead you to a 780 in the proper GMAT test.

I did enjoy the Adv Quant MGMAT book. I can't quite remember why, but they certainly do give you tips on how to approach a variety of difficult topics. Plus they give you 150 challenging questions to get through, and these were also v useful. But I can't say how much of my score I can attribute to the Adv Quant MGMAT book. I think it's unlikely I'd have got q51 without it.. would probably have been q49 or q50 without it.
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Hi,

First of all congrats for your successful gmat venture !!
Your score is inspiring .
Could you please elaborate on the accuracy needed to achieve a Q51.
I am working on my verbal skills and as you have already mentioned, an accuracy exception of 4 questions can permute a V44.
I am stuck on Q48 since long and need an insight into tips to get a Q51.
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Hi,

First of all congrats for your successful gmat venture !!
Your score is inspiring .
Could you please elaborate on the accuracy needed to achieve a Q51.
I am working on my verbal skills and as you have already mentioned, an accuracy exception of 4 questions can permute a V44.
I am stuck on Q48 since long and need an insight into tips to get a Q51.


Thanks - to be honest if i did the GMAT 10 times in a row, I'd probably get Q51 3 times and Q50 the remaining 7 times...

I would usually always be super clear on what they're asking.. Data sufficiency is a place one is more likely to make careless mistakes, so I would typically look at a question, then look at Statement 2, then Statement 1, then put down the answer and then, crucially, quickly double check what exactly the question was asking for before clicking next.

Practice makes perfect on this one..
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Congrats for the amazing score.
Looks like I am also in the same boat got 740 Q50 V40 in my first attempt, but I screwed verbal awfully in tha last quarter. I had 12 mins remaining for the last 10 question so kind of panicked answered most of the question intutively. As it is evident in my ESR got 50% of last quarter questions wrong. I scored CR46 RC41 and SC34.

Having mentioned that I am confident of improving my SC score to 42, but doubfull that I would be able to replicate RC41 in my next attempt.

What do you reckon should I go for an another attempt?


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I can relate to this too much. got my 740 today and going for a retake, Q50 V40, attempted quant half- heartedly as I knew I already screwed up Verbal. Same mistakes as you, ran out of time in the end in verbal and was greeted by a deadly RC. Will try to implement your strategies for the retake.
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Hi spitfire1

I myself am trying to hit the 99% mark.Can you please share your ESR..?

I too lost out by guessing in the last quarter of the questions.

Congrats once again on the score.Are u aiming for the M7...?
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Tip 2 & 5 are just incredible...

Did you figure them out by yourself..?
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Congrats mate!

This post contains some quite helpful nuggets and somewhat motivates me to also strive towards a retake to crack the 99th percentile.

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Great finger trick! I used in the exam. t helped a lot in my verbal section, considering I'm always short on time at the end. It can save some time for 2 questions.
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Great finger trick! I used in the exam. t helped a lot in my verbal section, considering I'm always short on time at the end. It can save some time for 2 questions.


Glad it helped! most people think I'm an idiot when I suggest it...

and glad to see that you got 770 too!! congrats and good luck with the apps!
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