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The computer company’s present troubles are a result of technological stagnation, marketing missteps, and managerial blunders so that several attempts to revise corporate strategies have failed to correct it.

A. so that several attempts to revise corporate strategies have failed to correct it
B. so that several attempts at revising corporate strategies have failed to correct
C. in that several attempts at revising corporate strategies have failed to correct them
D. that several attempts to revise corporate strategies have failed to correct
E. that several attempts at revising corporate strategies have failed to correct them
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Hey All,

This question seems to have been mostly addressed, but I wanted to add a few small things.

Q40
The computer company’s present troubles are a result of technological
stagnation, marketing missteps, and managerial blunders
so that several attempts to revise corporate strategies have failed
to correct it.

A. so that several attempts to revise corporate strategies have
failed to correct it.
B. so that several attempts at revising corporate strategies have
failed to correct
C. in that several attempts at revising corporate strategies have
failed to correct them

NOTE: In A, B, and C, the phrases "so that" and "in that" would modify some kind of action, as in "He went to the store so that he could find Amy" or "It was a bad move in that it resulted in him getting dumped by Amy." We don't have an action we want to modify here (i.e., the only verb we have in the first half of the sentence is "are", and we're probably not modifying that).

D. that several attempts to revise corporate strategies have
failed to correct
E. that several attempts at revising corporate strategies have
failed to correct them

NOTE: D & E both correctly employ a relative pronoun to modify the final noun. The phrase beginning with "that" (a relative pronoun) thus modifies whatever word came before it. In this case, this final phrase must be modifying "managerial blunders", not the entirety of the list. For this reason, the "them" is majorly wrong. First, it is ambiguous (could refer to any individual plural noun in the list, or the whole list). Second, it is nonsense, because we're already in a modifying phrase, so there should be no need to point towards the noun we're talking about.

Word up.

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Hey All,

Yes, relative pronouns are bit wishy-washy this way. They can modify the entire noun phrase, but they can also just modify the last noun. Logic really dictates what's happening.

I am in love with my car and the girlfriend that I met last week.

Clearly "that I met last week" is not modifying both nouns, but only the last one. Think of the modifier as a kind of adjective.

I am in love with the time and money that this new job affords me.

Clearly "that this new job affords me" is modifying both "time" and "money".

Either of these is considered correct, as long as it's clear which is meant.

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Hey All,

I got asked this by PM (but don't PM me anymore, because I'm taking a break from the forums).

Isn't "It was a bad move in that it resulted in him getting dumped by Amy." similar to "The computer company’s present troubles are a result of technological stagnation, marketing missteps, and managerial blunders in that"

In both the sentences the verb is a form of "to be" .In the first case the verb is was and in the 2nd one the verb is are. Please explain the difference or is it that i havnt understood. I think C. in that several attempts at revising corporate strategies have failed to correct them.

The problem Gurvinder is that it isn't modifying the right action. Notice in your first example how "in that" is modifying "was a bad move", and what comes after "in that" EXPLAINS HOW it's a bad move?

Well in the full sentence: The computer company’s present troubles are a result of technological stagnation, marketing missteps, and managerial blunders in that in that several attempts at revising corporate strategies have failed to correct them.

Look at what comes after the "in that". This is NOT explaining how there were managerial blunders. This is explaining how the managerial blunders can't be corrected. That's not how you use it. This would be like saying "It was a bad move in that it was really bad." That doesn't explain HOW it was a bad move, so it doesn't work.

Make sense?

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Hey All,

This question seems to have been mostly addressed, but I wanted to add a few small things.

Q40
The computer company’s present troubles are a result of technological
stagnation, marketing missteps, and managerial blunders
so that several attempts to revise corporate strategies have failed
to correct it.

A. so that several attempts to revise corporate strategies have
failed to correct it.
B. so that several attempts at revising corporate strategies have
failed to correct
C. in that several attempts at revising corporate strategies have
failed to correct them

NOTE: In A, B, and C, the phrases "so that" and "in that" would modify some kind of action, as in "He went to the store so that he could find Amy" or "It was a bad move in that it resulted in him getting dumped by Amy." We don't have an action we want to modify here (i.e., the only verb we have in the first half of the sentence is "are", and we're probably not modifying that).

D. that several attempts to revise corporate strategies have
failed to correct
E. that several attempts at revising corporate strategies have
failed to correct them

NOTE: D & E both correctly employ a relative pronoun to modify the final noun. The phrase beginning with "that" (a relative pronoun) thus modifies whatever word came before it. In this case, this final phrase must be modifying "managerial blunders", not the entirety of the list. For this reason, the "them" is majorly wrong. First, it is ambiguous (could refer to any individual plural noun in the list, or the whole list). Second, it is nonsense, because we're already in a modifying phrase, so there should be no need to point towards the noun we're talking about.

Word up.

Hope that helps!

The computer company’s present troubles are a result of technological stagnation, marketing missteps, and managerial blunders that several attempts to revise corporate strategies have
failed to correct

Treat the compound subject as a single plural subject because the compound subject is plural. (I choose bloopers)

The computer company’s present troubles are a result of bloopers that several attempts to revise corporate strategies have failed to correct
The reason why we do not need ‘them; is because the relative clause (that several....) already modifies bloopers and we don’t need a ‘them’ to state bloopers again.

Quoting you "D & E both correctly employ a relative pronoun to modify the final noun. The phrase beginning with "that" (a relative pronoun) thus modifies whatever word came before it. In this case, this final phrase must be modifying "managerial blunders", not the entirety of the list."

'that' modifies all 3 reasons because all 3 reason together cause the problem and not 'mangerial blunders'. ( tommy, you are being to hard on the managers )

'that' modifies the noun phrase(all 3 compund nouns in this case, not managerial blunders' as u stated) it touches, the only probable exception to this rule could be when 'that' modifies object of prepostion'.

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This sentence, among other things, entails the intrinsic knowledge of common English constructions.

“so that” is used to introduce the concept of consequence. For instance,

I am studying hard for the GMAT, so that I can get a good score.
The president is tapering IT industries’ tax-breaks so that his approval rating will rise.
Europe will rebuff any nuclear power-plant project so that the risk of potential trouble is greatly diminished.

A, B, C “so that” construction in this sentence is logically out of place.

A) pronoun "it" is un-necessary and ambiguous. You don’t say “This is the car that I sold it.
B) fragment: the sentence is incomplete.
C) “in that” is completely wrong. Moreover “them” is un-necessary and ambiguous.
D) this is the correct answer. Every issue has been addressed. (“so that” construction has been discarded, “attempts to” substituted with “attempts at”, and “it/them” removed.
E) “them” once again is not necessary and wrong.

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Q40
The computer company’s present troubles are a result of technological
stagnation, marketing missteps, and managerial blunders
so that several attempts to revise corporate strategies have failed
to correct it.

A. so that several attempts to revise corporate strategies have
failed to correct it.
B. so that several attempts at revising corporate strategies have
failed to correct
C. in that several attempts at revising corporate strategies have
failed to correct them
D. that several attempts to revise corporate strategies have
failed to correct
E. that several attempts at revising corporate strategies have
failed to correct them

it wrongly refers to non-existent computer company
to revise is the correct idiom
them - pronoun reference could be anything as most of them are plural
underlined portion should start with that construction, so that and in that isnt correct

Answer is D by looking at all the items mentioned above.
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Hey Munda,

Sure! Here's the sentence with answer choice E:

The computer company’s present troubles are a result of technological stagnation, marketing missteps, and managerial blunders that several attempts at revising corporate strategies have
failed to correct them.

Starting with the relative pronoun "that", we have a modifying clause that is modifying "blunders". This is the antecedent of "them". However, there's no need to REFER to the very word that we're in the process of modifying. It would be like saying:

I'm waiting for the woman that I love her.

We don't need the pronoun "her," because we're actually MODIFYING the word "woman."

Hope that makes sense!

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Appreciate it.

Sorry for stretching, but I made a mistake while drafting my original sentence.
I have written it afresh - Several attempts to revise[earlier the word was Correct, which is not what Q suggests] business strategies have failed to correct technological stagnation, marketing missteps, and managerial blunders, a failure that resulted into the company's present troubles.
No problem. In your sentence, we're using a failure that to refer to entire clause (several attempt have failed). This means that the failure led to the troubles. But that is not the information conveyed by the correct option. Try this with another sentence:

The misunderstanding is due to errors in the email that no one has been able to fix.

Here the errors have created a misunderstanding, but the sentence does not say for certain that the failure to fix those errors is what has created the misunderstanding. So, for example, we cannot say that the following sentence conveys the same meaning:

No one has been able to fix the errors in the email, a failure that resulted in the misunderstanding.
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Can anyone elaborate on this question?
I read the solution in the book and am still lost. It seems like even the correct answer has very odd construction.

Anyone?
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26 Feb 2010, 20:40
Thanks!
I struggled with that one for a while, now that you pointed out the idiom it seems so obvious
Thanks again, kudos.
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IMO D - 'attempts to' correct idiom and 'so' not needed. Hence out of A and D - its D
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TommyWallach wrote:
Hey All,

Yes, relative pronouns are bit wishy-washy this way. They can modify the entire noun phrase, but they can also just modify the last noun. Logic really dictates what's happening.

I am in love with my car and the girlfriend that I met last week.

Clearly "that I met last week" is not modifying both nouns, but only the last one. Think of the modifier as a kind of adjective.

I am in love with the time and money that this new job affords me.

Clearly "that this new job affords me" is modifying both "time" and "money".

Either of these is considered correct, as long as it's clear which is meant.

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the is a verbal review question. question no. 87. quoting 'the verbal review', 'this sentence lists 3 causes of the company's troubles and suggests that the strategies to correct the cause have failed'

very clearly the strategies are for all the 3 nouns and not just ' managerial blunder'

though i understood what u tried to say in the first example('I am in love with my car and the girlfriend that I met last week') , wouldnt the gmat love to see a 'who' in place of a 'that' to refer to 'the girlfriend'?? yeah 'that' can refer to humans/objects/theories etc, but i guess gmat will make sure that 'who' refers to 'girlfriend' in this case.
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rohansherry wrote:
[color=#FF0000]it wrongly refers to non-existent computer company
[color=#FF0000]

I suppose "It" wrongly refers to Troubles . Correct me if I am mistaken !
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Hey Rosha,

Thanks for the kind words on the song!

I'm not aware of any preference for "who" over "that" on the GMAT, but I suppose if you ever had a clear choice between that or who for a person, you'd go with "who". But there's nothing inherently WRONG with using "that" with people (only with using "who" with non people).

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TommyWallach wrote:
Hey All,

This question seems to have been mostly addressed, but I wanted to add a few small things.

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The computer company’s present troubles are a result of technological
stagnation, marketing missteps, and managerial blunders
so that several attempts to revise corporate strategies have failed
to correct it.

A. so that several attempts to revise corporate strategies have
failed to correct it.
B. so that several attempts at revising corporate strategies have
failed to correct
C. in that several attempts at revising corporate strategies have
failed to correct them
Second, it is nonsense, because we're already in a modifying phrase, so there should be no need to point towards the noun we're talking about.Word up.

Hope that helps!

Hi Tommy,following your explanations is a great learning experience.
Can you elaborate on the line in bold that i have quoted above.
Also tommy,In the given sentence correction problem is there any ambiguity regarding whether the that clause in the SC question modifies only managerial blunders or all 3 nouns as a compound subject.If there is ambiguity then , dont we reject the option as the meaning is not clear
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Thanks to all for the explanations. D it is.
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In the question, would it have been correct if it were without "them" in C?
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In the question, would it have been correct if it were without "them" in C?

Hi @Marcab:

Even if we remove “them” from choice C, it will still remain incorrect. There are two reasons for that.
1. Use of “in that” is incorrect in this choice. The phrase “in that” elaborates on the “how” factor of the action in the previous clause. For example:
Children associate fun with Halloween in that they get to guise in spooky fashion and collect sweet “treats”.
However, use of “in that” does not make sense in choice C because it incorrectly presents the how aspect of “are the results…”. Here we need “that” to modify these problems that the company has not been able solve so far.

2. Also the phrase “several attempts to” is better and more precise that “several attempts at”.

Hope this helps.
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"....are result of technological
stagnation, marketing missteps, and managerial blunders
so that several attempts to revise corporate strategies have failed
to correct it"
"HOW"are the company's present troubles a result of technological
stagnation, marketing missteps, and managerial blunders?
ANSWER: Because several attempts to revise corporate strategies have failed to correct the company's troubles.

As far as I think, if one is able to create a "how" question and is able to answer it, then the in that construction is valid.
Please let me know if I am missing something. I feel I am pretty naive in SC.

Moreover, please elaborate how you prefer "revising to" over "revising at". Both to and at are preposition and hence are followed by noun. What's wrong in that?
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