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# R2 at ultra-elite school - pls give advice

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11 Nov 2008, 09:57
After finishing my R1, then I am thinking of applying for R2 of 2 ultra-elite schools. Pls advise:
1. What are the pros and cons of applying in R2 in top schools? This year is also 'ultra' competitive, i'm not sure how it can affect R2 applicants.
2. I'm interested in General management and Strategy, any advice for schools (HBS, Chicago, Wharton, Kellogg etc).

I have studying and working exp overseas (7 yrs), good undergrad GPA but relative short working exp (3.5 years in engineering) and moderate GMAT/low verbal score (710 - Q50,V34). Would like to hear u guys' comment abt the chance also

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11 Nov 2008, 10:06
R2 should not be a big deal. Many schools understand that applicants apply at many schools, some as many as 8 - 10. Even those that put in 4 - 5 cannot create a quality application for all 5 schools in the same round. Some do, but those people are freakishly amazing and scare me. For nomal people, R2 is not a big deal. There will be competition, and you have to realize there are slots filled already so you're competing against fewer people in R2, but also for fewer slots. Don't be afraid that your application will be seen as somehow "late" because you didn't submit in R1. A good applicant stands out in any round.

One of my pet peeves is people that are in the 700 club and say "I have a moderate GMAT score of 710". Are you kidding me? This is the 93rd percentile. There is not a school in the world that would look at your GMAT score and say "Oh, I wonder if this applicant can handle it." If it's an attempt at being modest, it didn't work. A 710 GMAT score is good. It's probably best just to say I scored 710 on the GMAT without any other qualfiers. If the reader thinks it's a good GMAT score, then they'll think that. If the reader thinks it's a moderate score, they'll think that too. There is nothing you can do about it.

As for your chance? You've given us too little to go off of to really have an idea as to your chances. Plus, even if you have great stats that you could write here, we don't know what kind of effort you're going to put into the application as that makes all the difference in the world. A stellar application can become a piece of junk when put together poorly and someone that 90% of people would tell they have no shot can get in because they put 300 hours into their application and did some major introspection and knew exactly what they wanted from an MBA, how that specific school could do it for them, and then successfully showed the AdCom what that applicant has to offer.

This process is honestly more art than science. Crazy, but that's what I've taken from all of the discussions here.

AlbertNTN wrote:
After finishing my R1, then I am thinking of applying for R2 of 2 ultra-elite schools. Pls advise:
1. What are the pros and cons of applying in R2 in top schools? This year is also 'ultra' competitive, i'm not sure how it can affect R2 applicants.
2. I'm interested in General management and Strategy, any advice for schools (HBS, Chicago, Wharton, Kellogg etc).

I have studying and working exp overseas (7 yrs), good undergrad GPA but relative short working exp (3.5 years in engineering) and moderate GMAT/low verbal score (710 - Q50,V34). Would like to hear u guys' comment abt the chance also

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11 Nov 2008, 10:40
Just for clarification, Stanford was 730 for the Class of 2010, and Wharton was up to 715. HBS has not released any #s, but I would presume it is somewhere between those 2.

I agree with your overall message jallen. The fact that you have a 760 or a 780 is not going to allow the admissions committee to overlook things like shoddy work experience/poor undergrad performance/unclear career goals. They'll take the 700 or 710 who has everything else lined up properly. The GMAT is not as important as people make it out to be.

jallenmorris wrote:
There are many people who lurk on these forums and do not ever post their scores, profiles, admits and dings. Sure you see many people that have 750+ and are accepted to the top schools, but what is the average GMAT score at those schools? Stanford is the highest with 721. HBS has about 713 or so. If what you say is true that you need a 750+ GMAT score, then the averages would be way up there. Clearly, people with scores in the 600s are accepted to these top schools. You have to realize that if you take those that post their scores as a whole, this is a purely self-selecting group and will naturally be higher than those that think they have no shot with a 660 but are admitted. They're not going to want to post their admit because they don't want to get responses saying "What? I have a 730 and I got dinged w/o interview! What's so special about you?" They'll just go about their business, move to Boston and enjoy HBS.

AlbertNTN wrote:
Hi jallenmorris, thanks for sharing thoughts. Sorry if i make a bad feeling abt the GMAT score comment. 'though i know it is just one piece of the applications, that is my own thinking after browsing thru profiles of those got interviews or admitted into those ultra-elite, what i normal see is 750++, which i 'd love to have to compensate for non-stellar leadership exp. I don't mean to irritate anyone, deeply regret if it is so.

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11 Nov 2008, 10:50
good to see you Terp! How have you been? Care if I still call you terp06? habits die hard

agold wrote:
Just for clarification, Stanford was 730 for the Class of 2010, and Wharton was up to 715. HBS has not released any #s, but I would presume it is somewhere between those 2.

I agree with your overall message jallen. The fact that you have a 760 or a 780 is not going to allow the admissions committee to overlook things like shoddy work experience/poor undergrad performance/unclear career goals. They'll take the 700 or 710 who has everything else lined up properly. The GMAT is not as important as people make it out to be.

jallenmorris wrote:
There are many people who lurk on these forums and do not ever post their scores, profiles, admits and dings. Sure you see many people that have 750+ and are accepted to the top schools, but what is the average GMAT score at those schools? Stanford is the highest with 721. HBS has about 713 or so. If what you say is true that you need a 750+ GMAT score, then the averages would be way up there. Clearly, people with scores in the 600s are accepted to these top schools. You have to realize that if you take those that post their scores as a whole, this is a purely self-selecting group and will naturally be higher than those that think they have no shot with a 660 but are admitted. They're not going to want to post their admit because they don't want to get responses saying "What? I have a 730 and I got dinged w/o interview! What's so special about you?" They'll just go about their business, move to Boston and enjoy HBS.

AlbertNTN wrote:
Hi jallenmorris, thanks for sharing thoughts. Sorry if i make a bad feeling abt the GMAT score comment. 'though i know it is just one piece of the applications, that is my own thinking after browsing thru profiles of those got interviews or admitted into those ultra-elite, what i normal see is 750++, which i 'd love to have to compensate for non-stellar leadership exp. I don't mean to irritate anyone, deeply regret if it is so.

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11 Nov 2008, 11:03
Sure, do as you wish.
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12 Nov 2008, 02:10
I really feel that if you can push your verbal score up, you will be at a benefit....

a V34 is below 80 percentile and I have heard adcom say that they like to see a balance in the quant and verbal scores..
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